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by kiwiinoz
Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:57 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Licking People's Eyeballs: New Craze In Japan
Replies: 17
Views: 5225

Licking People's Eyeballs: New Craze In Japan

Now this is weird: <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10910052" target="_blank">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/...ticle.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10910052</a> I know every generation thinks they are much smarter than those that follow. But I'm pretty...

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by kiwiinoz
Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:57 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: My Democratic Dictatorship
Replies: 28
Views: 2463

RE: My Democratic Dictatorship

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/PhilBy" class="quote" target="_blank">PhilBy</a> (<a href="#24" class="quote">Reply 24</a>):<br/><i>Do many of our politicians who do vote on th...

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by kiwiinoz
Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:16 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: What Happens Now With Lgtb Population In Russia?
Replies: 80
Views: 5712

RE: What Happens Now With Lgtb Population In Russia?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/OzGlobal" class="quote" target="_blank">OzGlobal</a> (<a href="#2" class="quote">Reply 2</a>):<br/><i>The IOC if it had any guts would move the ...

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by kiwiinoz
Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:32 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: My Democratic Dictatorship
Replies: 28
Views: 2463

RE: My Democratic Dictatorship

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/PhilBy" class="quote" target="_blank">PhilBy</a> (<a href="#22" class="quote">Reply 22</a>):<br/><i>If we then introduce a system (now possible ...

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by kiwiinoz
Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:22 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: My Democratic Dictatorship
Replies: 28
Views: 2463

RE: My Democratic Dictatorship

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/sccutler" class="quote" target="_blank">sccutler</a> (<a href="#20" class="quote">Reply 20</a>):<br/><i>Sorry, I was unclear; I was mocking the ...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:41 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Pet Snake Kills Two Children In Canada
Replies: 91
Views: 4794

RE: Pet Snake Kills Two Children In Canada

I am going to go out on a limb he and confess a hunch. I think there is an element to this story that is yet to come out that is more sinister. I could be wrong and as I said, just a hunch, but the facts as stated don't seem likely, in my opinion They were having a sleepover at this guys house but t...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:57 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: "If I Had My Way, I'd Be An Alcoholic."
Replies: 38
Views: 3688

RE: "If I Had My Way, I'd Be An Alcoholic."

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Grisee08" class="quote" target="_blank">Grisee08</a> (<a href="#4" class="quote">Reply 4</a>):<br/><i>No, she's always been kind of like a siste...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:22 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: "If I Had My Way, I'd Be An Alcoholic."
Replies: 38
Views: 3688

RE: "If I Had My Way, I'd Be An Alcoholic."

Usually when people make these sort of references, they maybe dont know what an alcoholic really is. There are planty of people that drink too much that are not alcoholics. But if she drinks a lot, and wants to drink more because she craves the numbing, "shut out the rest of life" effect that alcoho...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:57 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Internet Bullying - What's The Answer?
Replies: 27
Views: 3096

RE: Internet Bullying - What's The Answer?

Whilst not specifically related to bullying, the UK recently launched this excellent campaign, including this video designed to be screened at school assemblies: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o8auwnJtqE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o8auwnJtqE</a> Whilst we should never...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:07 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: My Democratic Dictatorship
Replies: 28
Views: 2463

RE: My Democratic Dictatorship

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/WestJet747" class="quote" target="_blank">WestJet747</a> (<a href="#6" class="quote">Reply 6</a>):<br/><i>You didn't watch the TED Talk I linked...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:29 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: My Democratic Dictatorship
Replies: 28
Views: 2463

RE: My Democratic Dictatorship

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/WestJet747" class="quote" target="_blank">WestJet747</a> (<a href="#3" class="quote">Reply 3</a>):<br/><i>You've just described China. </i></fon...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:25 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: My Democratic Dictatorship
Replies: 28
Views: 2463

My Democratic Dictatorship

So I have been watching, (from afar), the Australian federal election campaign play out. That, and the US elections have shaken my belief in democracy a little. On the basis of: Electioneering campaigning seems to occupy more politician time than actually getting stuff done Campaigning is generally ...

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by kiwiinoz
Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:49 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: What To Do In San Francisco
Replies: 44
Views: 3647

RE: What To Do In San Francisco

Guys, thanks this is really great. THere are a lot of suggestions here that we have not even come across so it has really added a lot to our trip.

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by kiwiinoz
Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:21 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: What To Do In San Francisco
Replies: 44
Views: 3647

What To Do In San Francisco

So I am going to San Francisco in September with a couple of friends. We are there primarily to watch the America's Cup, but have plenty of free time. We have already bought tickets for a Giants game and pretty much have all of the rest of the time spare Any suggestions? Generally I like a mix of cu...

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by kiwiinoz
Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:15 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Got Tips For A Singapore Trip?
Replies: 33
Views: 3571

RE: Got Tips For A Singapore Trip?

OK I used to love in Singapore and still spend a lot of time there Highlights: Food: Singapore has great food across a variety of different cuisines, however if I was to pick out a couple of absolute musts: Samy's curry house on Dempsey Hill, for Fish Head curry, (not as daunting as it sounds) Red H...

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by kiwiinoz
Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:38 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Visiting Brisbane, Australia.
Replies: 7
Views: 1928

RE: Visiting Brisbane, Australia.

I am not a great fan of Brisbane. It has some nice areas but I find it lacks a little soul and character But it is a gateway to a beautiful state. For something a little different to the Gold Coast, head north to the Sunshine coast. A completely different vibe, some real villagy spots. And great sea...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:07 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Royal Baby Boy Is Born
Replies: 85
Views: 4681

RE: Royal Baby Boy Is Born

This is possibly the most exciting thing that has happened to me this year, trumping the birth of my own son in March. I taken the week off work as I dont want to miss out on the announcement of what his name might be.

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by kiwiinoz
Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:37 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: True Story? Woman Breast Feeds Cat On Flight.
Replies: 21
Views: 10428

RE: True Story? Woman Breast Feeds Cat On Flight.

Ok this kitten thing is weird a bit. But not that weird Being a father of 2, the whole breast feed/milk thing has lost all it's weirdness In fact, I have a confession. Current child, (7 months) is probably our last. So I decided to try a bit of I myself a couple of weeks ago. I felt a little squeemi...

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by kiwiinoz
Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:18 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cricket - England V. Australia At Lords.....
Replies: 25
Views: 2446

RE: Cricket - England V. Australia At Lords.....

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/sccutler" class="quote" target="_blank">sccutler</a> (<a href="#1" class="quote">Reply 1</a>):<br/><i>I still contend that the entire cricket --...

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by kiwiinoz
Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:22 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Capitol Cities Visited More Times Than Your Own?
Replies: 44
Views: 3579

RE: Capitol Cities Visited More Times Than Your Own?

My Capital City is Wellington. I have stayed there for 1 night I have lived in London, and visited on about 5 other occasions I have lived in Singapore, and have visited on about 10 other occasions Athens 3 times <acronym title="KLM Royal Dutch Airlines">KL</acronym> 4 times Bangkok 8(ish) times Par...

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by kiwiinoz
Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:00 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Buying Shares In Aviation
Replies: 29
Views: 2364

RE: Buying Shares In Aviation

I had airline stocks for a while and they did <acronym title="CSA Czech Airlines">OK</acronym>. I tried to stick with anything tied to China, where all of the potential growth is. China Southern is listed on the US stock market, (ZNH), and looks a good price at the moment at $19.55. Boeing stocks al...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:33 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: JAL 777 Returns To Tokyo After Hydraulic Leak
Replies: 28
Views: 27924

JAL 777 Returns To Tokyo After Hydraulic Leak

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/jetjack74" class="quote" target="_blank">jetjack74</a> (<a href="#1" class="quote">Reply 1</a>):<br/><i>Cue the "is the 777 an unsafe airplane?"...

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by kiwiinoz
Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:06 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom
Replies: 43
Views: 4913

RE: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

I think the point is being missed here. No-one is doubting that he was not sexually attracted to this lady at certain times. This is also not uncommon in rape charges when a female minor is involved. The critical element is statuatory rape. Often, in thiese cases, the victim is fully, "consensual" b...

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by kiwiinoz
Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:05 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: I Feel Bad About Eating Meat... But I Want To....
Replies: 61
Views: 4377

RE: I Feel Bad About Eating Meat... But I Want To....

I live in a part of the world where they eat dog. And, like you, I see no real ethical distinction between eating a dog or a cow. I certainly do not get on my moral high horse with the Chinese about their eating habits just because we n the west happen to have a history of making dogs our companions...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:32 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Need Vacation Ideas
Replies: 22
Views: 2040

RE: Need Vacation Ideas

How about Beijing. A very interesting place, much more so than Shanghai I think. Quite a contrasting city. Ultra sophisticated in some quarters, primitive in others. And what a history!

You will have to cope with the pollution though

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:31 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Need Vacation Ideas
Replies: 22
Views: 2040

RE: Need Vacation Ideas

Apart from flying on the A380, what kind of holiday experience do you like?

Resorty? Exploration? Nightlife? Culture? Food? Relaxing? Exciting? Dangerous???

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NZ Announces Two New Livery's
Replies: 94
Views: 19939

RE: NZ Announces Two New Livery's

Well, there is no specific reference to any sporting team, although I agree black is generally identified with NZ sport.

Could just as easily be the Silver Ferns, (netball team).

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NZ Announces Two New Livery's
Replies: 94
Views: 19939

RE: NZ Announces Two New Livery's

Looks good, particularly the black one. Somehow on the black&white one, the combination of the fern and koru looks a little cluttered

Very distinctive and very kiwi. So I guess the teal colour is gone forever

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:16 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Worst Holiday Experience Ever?
Replies: 28
Views: 7592

RE: Worst Holiday Experience Ever?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/RyanairGuru" class="quote" target="_blank">RyanairGuru</a> (<a href="#15" class="quote">Reply 15</a>):<br/><i>...dare I ask what delights you we...

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by kiwiinoz
Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:03 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Worst Holiday Experience Ever?
Replies: 28
Views: 7592

RE: Worst Holiday Experience Ever?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/daviation" class="quote" target="_blank">daviation</a> (<a href="#5" class="quote">Reply 5</a>):<br/><i>1. Food poisoning in one of the finest h...

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by kiwiinoz
Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CA B752 Hit By Something In The Sky
Replies: 49
Views: 26556

RE: CA B752 Hit By Something In The Sky

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/N821NW" class="quote" target="_blank">N821NW</a> (<a href="#10" class="quote">Reply 10</a>):<br/><i>I was thinking that maybe a pressure differe...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:41 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: France And Gay Marriage: Why Such A Big Reaction?
Replies: 52
Views: 4411

RE: France And Gay Marriage: Why Such A Big Reaction?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/mariner" class="quote" target="_blank">mariner</a> (<a href="#27" class="quote">Reply 27</a>):<br/><i/></font></td></tr></table> I do get this. ...

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by kiwiinoz
Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:00 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: France And Gay Marriage: Why Such A Big Reaction?
Replies: 52
Views: 4411

RE: France And Gay Marriage: Why Such A Big Reaction?

Being a few months ahead, with gay marriage already passed in New Zealand, I have had time to think a little more about this. Gay marriage is an issue which carried far more weight of perception and <acronym title="Philippine Airlines">PR</acronym> value than actual real value for the people it legi...

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by kiwiinoz
Fri May 31, 2013 1:24 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Accor Hotels Caught Posting 100 Fake Hotel Reviews
Replies: 17
Views: 3483

RE: Accor Hotels Caught Posting 100 Fake Hotel Reviews

I am a bit of a Tripadvisor expert, being in the luxury hotel business I can tell yuo there isnt anything particularly new about this, however in the last few years, Tripadvisor has become very very good at identifying the fakes. There are actually companies now that charge a fee to manipulate tripa...

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by kiwiinoz
Wed May 29, 2013 5:49 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Where To Stay In AMS? (for Business)
Replies: 10
Views: 2869

RE: Where To Stay In AMS? (for Business)

Hotel Okura Amsterdam. Not very Dutch but good quality

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by kiwiinoz
Wed May 29, 2013 5:48 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Help With Cathay Pacific New Biz Class
Replies: 11
Views: 4370

RE: Help With Cathay Pacific New Biz Class

I am flying biz on <acronym title="Cathay Pacific (China-Hong Kong)">CX</acronym> from <acronym title="CURRENT: Hong Kong - International (Chek Lap Kok) (HKG / VHHH), China - Hong Kong AND OLD: Hong Kong - Kai Tak International (HKG / VHHH) (closed), China - Hong Kong">HKG</acronym> to <acronym titl...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue May 28, 2013 3:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Planes Can Fly Themselves. BS!
Replies: 186
Views: 14863

RE: Planes Can Fly Themselves. BS!

I would accept flying on a plane that is pilot-less, providing that all elements of the aviation environment are managed through a central, integrated system, (ATC, other aircraft, emergency responses, etc) I think the technology is pretty much there in terms of flying a plane individually. However ...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue May 14, 2013 8:05 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Do You Have A Hard Time Making A Decision?
Replies: 12
Views: 2265

RE: Do You Have A Hard Time Making A Decision?

As suggested above, it sounds as though you may have some kind of underlying issue and I would certainly get it checked out. I am in no way qualified to make any recommendation on how to remedy such an issue I am, however, a good decision maker, and can make some recommendations on a mental framewor...

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by kiwiinoz
Fri May 10, 2013 5:09 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: The List Thread
Replies: 53
Views: 4387

RE: The List Thread

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/N776AU" class="quote" target="_blank">N776AU</a> (<a href="#26" class="quote">Reply 26</a>):<br/><i>My 5 favorite Doughnut Places: -Krispy Kreme...

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by kiwiinoz
Fri May 10, 2013 1:23 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Breaking: Three Women, Missing Ten Years, Found.
Replies: 67
Views: 3448

RE: Breaking: Three Women, Missing Ten Years, Found.

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/ltbewr" class="quote" target="_blank">ltbewr</a> (<a href="#47" class="quote">Reply 47</a>):<br/><i>Sadly the 3 woman and the child of rape of t...

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by kiwiinoz
Wed May 08, 2013 1:25 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Why The American Right Should Support Gay Marriage
Replies: 71
Views: 3906

RE: Why The American Right Should Support Gay Marriage

I know this is being discussed about the situation in America, but I would like to give a perspective of what is playing out in Australia. Lets face it, with the ball now "rolling" I think we can safely assume that most western countries will approve this in the next 15 years, so really it's just a ...

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by kiwiinoz
Fri May 03, 2013 9:43 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Slayer's Jeff Hanneman Passes Away
Replies: 12
Views: 2420

RE: Slayer's Jeff Hanneman Passes Away

This guy was amazing in his prime. I am not a metal-head but had huge appreciation for how Slayer went about their business.

Came from a time when musicians were musicians.

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by kiwiinoz
Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:02 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Do You Think This Guy Deserves A Second Chance?
Replies: 40
Views: 3530

RE: Do You Think This Guy Deserves A Second Chance?

It wasn't the first time he had been in front of a camera. If he made an error like this after years in broadcasting, I would conclude that there is a reasonable chance it would happen again.

I would have taken him off the air

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by kiwiinoz
Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:34 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What Airports Have The Longest Walkways?
Replies: 20
Views: 10451

RE: What Airports Have The Longest Walkways?

You mean the airbridge? There is one in HKG that you need to take a packed lunch for

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by kiwiinoz
Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:46 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Obama's Gun Control Attempt Defeated For Now
Replies: 248
Views: 6790

RE: Obama's Gun Control Attempt Defeated For Now

The problem with these gun threads is that they eventually revert back to the same arguments. I must have read 100 of these over the years, and I can tell you, none of you seem to have anything to say that hasnt been said 100 times before. And to give you a little hint, nobody wins, nobody changes t...

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by kiwiinoz
Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:35 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Obama's Gun Control Attempt Defeated For Now
Replies: 248
Views: 6790

RE: Obama's Gun Control Attempt Defeated For Now

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/L-188" class="quote" target="_blank">L-188</a> (<a href="#22" class="quote">Reply 22</a>):<br/><i>especially those is less free countries such a...

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by kiwiinoz
Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:43 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Passes Gay Marriage Bill
Replies: 25
Views: 3636

RE: New Zealand Passes Gay Marriage Bill

A great day for <acronym title="Air New Zealand">NZ</acronym> and congratulations. Must be exciting for the <acronym title="Martinair (Netherlands)">MP</acronym> who brought the bill to parliament On the question of Australia doing the same, they had better get their skates on as I can't imagine it ...

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by kiwiinoz
Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:07 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus
Replies: 42
Views: 4879

RE: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/bogota" class="quote" target="_blank">bogota</a> (<a href="#37" class="quote">Reply 37</a>):<br/><i>Quoting pvjin (Reply 14):I don't think Austr...

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by kiwiinoz
Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:00 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus
Replies: 42
Views: 4879

RE: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/allrite" class="quote" target="_blank">allrite</a> (<a href="#35" class="quote">Reply 35</a>):<br/><i>There was something on the unspeakably awf...

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by kiwiinoz
Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:55 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus
Replies: 42
Views: 4879

RE: Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus

Some of you may have seen this: <a href="http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/04/16/16/59/us-reporter-says-australia-comfortably-racist" target="_blank">http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...-says-australia-comfortably-racist</a> Kind of supports what I was saying earlier. I have meant plenty o...

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