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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Akbar AlBaker accuses Singapore being a ‘copy cat’
Replies: 40
Views: 9276

Re: Akbar AlBaker accuses Singapore being a ‘copy cat’

J343 wrote:
What anout KLIA's jungle?


True, the Jewel is pretty much a blend of KLIA and Suntec's fountain...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 739307

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Didn't XRAYretired write that just a few posts above yours? Yeah, just noticed that as well, after posting . . . O well, I guess with all the repeating posts about "MCAS is just a feel thing" and distracting "declining piloting standards", it can't hurt to repeat some independen...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Akbar AlBaker accuses Singapore being a ‘copy cat’
Replies: 40
Views: 9276

Re: Akbar AlBaker accuses Singapore being a ‘copy cat’

peterinlisbon wrote:
You could say that Qatar Airways itself is a copycat (of Emirates).


And Emirates is absolutely a clone of Singapore Airlines... So...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Well if Corbyn wins and need the LibDems to get the majority, there might be a people's vote in the near UK's future. Exactly. I have had a couple of people question the point of LibDems position of revoke, but it makes sense to me as while unlikely they will actually gain a majority on that ticket...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Akbar AlBaker accuses Singapore being a ‘copy cat’
Replies: 40
Views: 9276

Re: Akbar AlBaker accuses Singapore being a ‘copy cat’

It's hard to believe his claim anyway. Anyone that's been to Singapore, and Changi in particular knows that Singaporeans have always had an affinity for incorporating water and garden features into their architecture. A waterfall and indoor garden at Changi, and in a public shopping mall at that is...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Opinion: Airbus and how to move away from the A320 family
Replies: 100
Views: 17485

Re: Opinion: Airbus and how to move away from the A320 family

The A320neo must be the last shot of this family. Innovation is hampered by these eternal warmovers. Not saying it is a bad aircraft, but the A220 has shown itself an improvement in many fields that would never happen on the A320 due to requirements for commonality. But hopefully the fallout from t...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:48 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

scbriml wrote:
Boeing74741R wrote:
Postal voting is the way forward.


You're preaching to the converted here, but I'm endlessly surprised how few people do it.


It's fun to walk to the local village hall and wonder who votes for BP... My money's on the guy who parked across the pavement in his Bentley (no joke).

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:30 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

I have a feeling that we'll see a lot more tactical voting than in most, if not all, previous elections. Word of warning: I'm a bit sceptical about the tactical.vote website as it recommends Labour in my seat based only on the previous 2017 election - in the meantime the European and council electi...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rest of the UK Thread - 2019
Replies: 156
Views: 26495

Re: Rest of the UK Thread - 2019

https://www.business-live.co.uk/economi ... l-17169913
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"Lufthansa launches new route from Bristol Airport as airline group targets business in region"

https://www.business-live.co.uk/economi ... l-17169913

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:14 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

On the continent however, because of their mandatory id card system which is needed to identify yourself at very common moments throughout your daily life, if and when they'd be coming in contact with some form of the authorities (police, hospital, city hall, but also privately to rent a house for ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 370257

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

VV wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Some they sources that flight will happen in week of 9 or 16 Dec.

We shall see the if it happens. Any update on the cargo door blow-out?


The cargo door is doing alright and is recovering at the hospital.


Genuine LOL...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:54 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

par13del wrote:
.still NYET...


Off-topic, but I'm curious why you keep posting "no" in a language not spoken anywhere in the EU (inlcuding the UK)...

Are you suggesting Putin is pulling all the strings (still)?

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by SomebodyInTLS
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 739307

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

asdf wrote:
even if that summary is controversial and would need thousands of words

it maybe would help preventing contributors from starting the same discussions all over again


Somehow I doubt it. It seems to literally be the reason they come to these threads...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 739307

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

My friends and i have been wondering how many of the posters on this thread are 737 pilots , or any airline pilot ? We are just wondering. I would be offended if you value a pilot's opinion over that of an aerospace engineer - I should hope that people involved in designing and building aircraft kn...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:03 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

It seems Johnson's deal is as dead as a Monty Python parrot. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49970267 A No 10 source says a Brexit deal is "essentially impossible" after a call between the PM and Angela Merkel This is all still the "stupid blame game" Tusk talks about. Th...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:40 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

The interesting thing for me is why the EU allowed such misinformation to continue unabated for so long, my opinion which I suspect will not be accepted is because it made no difference and had absolutely no effect on the EU's continued operations within the UK. The politicians in the UK held their...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:08 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Lets brexit on the 31st of October and bring an end to this farce. Everyone is seriously p*ssed off now. All politicians on all sides are just a bunch of kids. Let's revoke Article 50 immediately and bring an end to this farce. Everyone is seriously pissed off now. All politicians on all sides are ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737NG Pickle fork issue
Replies: 565
Views: 138356

Re: 737NG Pickle fork issue

https://leehamnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/737-NG-pickle-forks.png Figure 1. 737 NG pickle forks reinforce the frames attaching to the forward and rear wing spars. The influence of a flexing wing can be seen in the picture. Source: Leeham Co based on a patent drawing. https://leehamnews.com/...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 370257

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

As I mentioned before, it depends a lot on how exactly the door failed (something we I have no information on). Assuming it's just a failed latch or hinge then it will be a simple fix by analysis. It would only require physical re-testing if it had failed at a relatively low test load - but at 149% ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737NG Pickle fork issue
Replies: 565
Views: 138356

Re: 737NG Pickle fork issue

Other parts are designed for safe life, they are designed to exceed the life of the aircraft without redundant load paths, like landing gear and this pickle fork. I'd put the pickle fork(s) in the fail safe area.? there is a bunch of them distributed over the wingbox length ( every frame there seem...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: People go crazy for Southwest's peanuts
Replies: 35
Views: 8514

Re: People go crazy for Southwest's peanuts

A bit of background for the people talking about "Biscoff" - these are traditional Dutch (and hence Flemish) biscuits to be eaten around St. Nicholas' day (5th of December - Sinterklaas) and have nothing to do with coffee. They're properly called speculaas (speculoos in Belgium) so Biscoff...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Prorogation has been a cornerstone of BoJo's (and one has to assume Dominic Cummings') plan from Day One; now it has been torpedoed. The PM's judgment must be open to question and really, one has to expect that the first order of business when Parliament resumes, tomorrow, will be a motion of confi...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:54 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

I hope that whatever Britain does is irrelevant because at least one European country won’t grant them an extension, France and The Netherlands already hinted on refusing. Britain is a mess and the EU shouldn’t keep up with them any longer. Another advantage of Brexit would be that with Britain out...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:58 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: What's next for mainstream jet engines?
Replies: 56
Views: 19045

Re: What's next for mainstream jet engines?

Fuel cells are not batteries, they convert chemical energy to electricity directly. Fuel cells have the advantage of higher energy density and constant high energy output. The disadvantage is that their output can't be switched on and off at the flick of a switch, nor can it be ramped up and down a...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:55 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: What's next for mainstream jet engines?
Replies: 56
Views: 19045

Re: What's next for mainstream jet engines?

WIederling wrote:
"What's next for mainstream jet engines"

Less mainstream :-))


Genuine LOL.

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2019 Airbus Global market forcast
Replies: 59
Views: 5315

Re: 2019 Airbus Global market forcast

Basically you're trying to say that there is still 400+ aircraft category. However A380 and 747-8 Intercontinental are dead. I deal with facts, and the facts I have laid out. [...] I will reiterate what I posted earlier, the Very Large marge segment was defined in previous GMF as being >400 seats o...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:20 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

The EU creates more rules, but the most efficient way for a booming economy is no rules. Once the UK can scrap all those pointless rules set up by the EU, the economy will take-off. Let the industry decide what is best for them. If you truly believe that then welcome to an utterly stagnant world wh...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:43 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Turkey is indeed the largest country who attempts to join (although that has been the status quo for the last, what, 35years or so). Ukraine is said to wanne join, but that has been explicitly ruled out for the near and mid-term. After the conservative EU "Leitkuturler" pi*ed on them back...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:23 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

If it did happen and Schengen is mandatory, that will no doubt mean Ireland having to do the same to both keep an open border with Northern Ireland and to preserve the Common Travel Area, so it's not a straightforward thing to implement. It's my understanding (IMU - copyright WIederling... ;) ) tha...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:30 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Personally, I've been a firm believer in revoking as soon as it became clear that was an option. However, I'm not sure it's the best plan by the Lib Dems to now officially back that over another referendum - simply because if the UK revokes without an absolutely clear public desire to do so, the Bre...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coffee Spill Forced A330 Diversion
Replies: 67
Views: 13493

Re: Coffee Spill Forced A330 Diversion

NZ had a significant fire on a 737 due to coffee being spilt on the centre console. This has always been a possibility for MH370 also for me If I'm understanding your post correctly, you think that a possible spilled drink would cause a 777 to mysteriously turn 150 degrees, knock out any and all co...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:12 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

You just confirmed Godwin's law, congratulations. Congratulations, I think you're the hundredth person I've seen invoking Godwin's Law and thinking it's something clever. Thing is... Godwin's Law is about comparing to Nazism where that's irrelevant. In this case, the comparison between current UK p...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 370257

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wasn't the A380 fix still not sufficient as didn't they have Wing Rib cracking issues in service as well? If the Wing Ribs had cracked in the test would that have meant a failed test? Completely different thing. Rib cracking had nothing to do with wing bending loads and was metal fatigue not static...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:35 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

No-one here interested in talking about the Yellowhammer papers then? I'm surprised... It might only six be pages (I don't believe for a moment that what we've seen is the actual full document!) and they tried to redact point 15, but it's already come out that that paragraph stated that the British ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 370257

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

I think he's trying to say that AlLi is just another aluminium alloy, like the typical 2024 and 7075 alloys (with added copper, magnesium, iron, chrome, etc.) used for most of the 20th century. I.e. AlLi can ALSO be referred to as "aluminium". Aircraft have never been made from *pure* alu...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:11 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

I feel that Dreadnought's statement is actually a fairly good example of brexit. Brexiteers being absolutely certain that they are the smartest guys in the room, that the other side is made up entirely of morons and then being totally clueless about very complex issues which they see as being black...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 370257

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

So AL-LI is considered standard aluminum? If you don't get it then I'll stop. I read an article the other day that stated all of the Boeing doors exploded during the static testing.. they must be right OK, so you think the Aviation Week article got it wrong. No need to be snarky and dismissive. I t...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 663613

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

EASA is not entangled in the Boeing reality distortion field. They see a nudy and talk about it.:-) If sovereign aviation certificating authorities are now also getting confused about the actual technical issues involved then this whole thing could get way uglier than it already is. Perhaps it was ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 370257

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Boeing just said in our newsletter it was at 99 percent of the final test load conditions. If true, that's one good point. Now it depends on what exactly failed and how. E.g. a failed latch would simply be beefed up a bit and justified by calculation. If the frame is bending or there is structural ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 370257

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Isn't the 777X going to be flying with a lower Cabin Altitude? Aren't they setting it lower like the 787? Wouldn't that require testing at a higher Pressure Differential than they did when they first certified the 777? Is that why maybe the Cargo door failed? That should be an easy fix. Why is it a...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019
Replies: 108
Views: 40008

Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2019

Power by the hour is a common commercial agreement between an airline and an engine manufacturer, not an aircraft manufacturer. How on earth would Airbus make money of such deal?! While it's a common truism in the airline world that aircraft sitting on the ground are losing money, in fact an aircra...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 663613

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

As well as saving documents, companies are also known and often advised to trash documents. In a small business I was involved with, law required saving documents 7 years. Trade association involved recommended destroying them at that point. What do FAA and other regulators require? Anything to do ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:03 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

If you are a EU citizen, getting another EU citizenship (naturally living in this second country) is usually quite easy and cheap. No need to change anything. Without going in to personal detail, we know for a fact that we would have payed hundreds extra and had to renew various pieces of paperwork...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 663613

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Am I the only one who finds people using BA for Boeing Aircraft and British Airways confusing?. You're not the only one. Despite having lurked here for literally decades, I also do double-takes on that on a regular basis. Wish people would realise that stock ticker labels don't belong on a site alr...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:53 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Given that those three EU citizens (Italy, France, Portugal) in the articles I posted have lived in the UK for decades, I don't understand either why they haven't taken on a UK passport. Because they didn't have to isn't a good enough reason? They had their full rights as EU citizens living in an E...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:22 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

this may come back to bite Corbyn on the backside. He has been regularly calling for a General Election since the last one in 2017 and turned down the opportunity to vote for one. You can bet this will be used as political ammunition. I don't think many of the potential Labour voters will hold this...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:26 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Round two of the Benn bill passed and another defection from the leave camp...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

*Who will lead it? Corbyn isn't everyone's cup of tea and Jo Swinson is opposed to that idea, even if it's just for a temporary period of time prior to an election being called That's so last week... Keep up! :) I am pleased to note that the opposition parties seem to have rallied, compromised and ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:42 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

not trying to resolve issues, but are trying to win a debate. The British political malaise in a nutshell. Not only politicians, also journalists (Newsnight combative style "interviews" irritate the heck out of me) and everyday people. It's the tribalism capsulated by the Brexiteer "...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:55 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161100

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

The EU side and Brexit side here and in the real world will never agree to a common standpoint. On here it is rather unimportant, but in the real world a solution will be thought up, the only question is, will it be before the 31st of October or whatever date the Brexit will move to after this week...

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