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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:02 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161101

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

inevitable food nationalism (how many countries are there claiming their cheese/beer/meat/etc. is best of the world, bar none?) Absolutely... in all the European countries I've lived it is somehow "the best" beef in the supermarket only if it has the national flag on it. British beef amon...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:18 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161101

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

inevitable food nationalism (how many countries are there claiming their cheese/beer/meat/etc. is best of the world, bar none?) Absolutely... in all the European countries I've lived it is somehow "the best" beef in the supermarket only if it has the national flag on it. I always get a la...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:11 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161101

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

I’m sure US companies have contracts with EU bodies. It is possible, however mad it may seem, for a non EU company to interact with companies in the EU. I think nobody denies that. Point is that "interacting" will become more difficult and expensive, period. Sure, some businesses will con...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Role of in-airport ticketing counters?
Replies: 75
Views: 11656

Re: Role of in-airport ticketing counters?

From my experience there's usually a few agents who how to handle ticketing for an as needed basis. Things like rebooking connections due to delays, etc. It doesn't happen too often but there are certainly people who show up in need of a ticket. More often than not, it's cheaper for them to buy it ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 190502

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Look some great news from today LOLOLOL:https://www.airlive.net/breaking-the-faa-confirmed-reviewing-a-potentially-catastrophic-wiring-issue-that-could-cause-a-short-circuit-on-the-boeing-737max/?fbclid=IwAR0sEdX1kPFbc179A-2Wagw20nBk5jWtN_FKYz8qSq9lKxawfvs3zf4Rg5I They really shoul'd srape the BOEI...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:14 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161101

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50828516

Poland set to leave.


That says Poland is no longer fit to be a member, not that they want to leave
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seahawk wrote:
The EU is disintegrating: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50828516

Poland set to leave.


That says Poland is no longer fit to be a member, not that they want to leave

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:30 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: UK General Election 2019
Replies: 323
Views: 11346

Re: UK General Election 2019

Arion640 wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
chimborazo wrote:
Show me the statistics then. Schools, public services of all types.... it all has to be paid for.


(snip)


Oh dear, immigration again...

You do realise there’s more to the brexit argument than immigration?


You do realise I was responding to a Brexiteer...?

Kind of contradicts you...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:03 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: UK General Election 2019
Replies: 323
Views: 11346

Re: UK General Election 2019

Show me the statistics then. Schools, public services of all types.... it all has to be paid for. First three hits: "HMRC data show that in FY2015/16, EEA nationals paid £15.5bn more in income tax and national insurance than they took out in tax credits and child benefit (HMRC, 2018)." ht...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:56 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: UK General Election 2019
Replies: 323
Views: 11346

Re: UK General Election 2019

Show me the statistics then. Schools, public services of all types.... it all has to be paid for. First three hits: "HMRC data show that in FY2015/16, EEA nationals paid £15.5bn more in income tax and national insurance than they took out in tax credits and child benefit (HMRC, 2018)." ht...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:39 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: UK General Election 2019
Replies: 323
Views: 11346

Re: UK General Election 2019

every man and his dog walking in and being entitled to what I and generations before have paid just because they are part of the European superstate. They have never paid into the system. Statistically, factually, utterly wrong. All surveys show that EU migrants pay in far more to the UK system tha...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO
Replies: 564
Views: 56597

Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

I'm not really A380 fan. I will say they sold enough that it can't be a huge loser. It didn't bankrupt Airbus or anything. It had some valuable parts that helped the A350 it seems. Huge success? The plane was successful and still is as a plane. It's not grounded and is safe. The program profitable ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 739310

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

On the other hand, we know that the shop was calibrating sensors incorrectly. We also know it's the shop where JT610's sensor came from. So… that rather tilts the odds somewhat beyond a 50/50 chance. Please provide a source that shows "we know that the shop was calibrating sensors incorrectly&...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:30 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: UK General Election 2019
Replies: 323
Views: 11346

Re: UK General Election 2019

frmrCapCadet wrote:
oddly enough the American colloquial phrases "I could (not) care less" generally mean the same thing.


(I know that - I was just pointing out that "could care less" logically means the complete opposite of what they think it means... ;) )

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by SomebodyInTLS
Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure
Replies: 308
Views: 61670

Re: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure

Today if one hears that a plane develops cracks somewhere it's taken as a sign of incompetence. That way we are not going to learn a lot. Not really. Maybe people who are not involved in the industry might think that, but all aircraft are expected and indeed designed to develop cracks - that was th...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure
Replies: 308
Views: 61670

Re: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure

My approach would be to take 10% safety out. Which is probably a good idea once evolutionary steps become small and production is supposed to run for 50 years. Any mistakes: adjust after 10 years. [...] Suppose nothing had happened because the assumptions lead to 20% over-design: Should planes in a...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:11 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: UK General Election 2019
Replies: 323
Views: 11346

Re: UK General Election 2019

The LibDems seem to have sunk their campaign by trying too hard to push Swinson as possible PM (even the title on the publicity material etc. is "Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats" :vomit: ). It's rubbing people the wrong way and they've plummeted as a result. If they hadn't behaved in such a...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure
Replies: 308
Views: 61670

Re: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure

Aloha airlines flight 243: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243_fuselage.png B737-200, built in 1969, lost roof in flight in 1988. Plane used for island hopping in Hawaii. "While the airframe had accumulated 35,496 flight hours prior to the accident, th...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 739310

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

PW100 wrote:
Not sure why you feel the need to write I'm not on here every Six hours, when your number of posts in this thread dwarf my number of posts . . .


I recently discovered the joys of the ignore list. My blood pressure thanks me.

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure
Replies: 308
Views: 61670

Re: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure - they are Bad

They certainly were not telling the world how their wiring was mysteriously not hooking together properly for example. This was information learned after the fact after Airbus identified and fixed the problem while being vague on details of the delays. Not how I remember it at all. There were a cou...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure
Replies: 308
Views: 61670

Re: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure

Such videos tell you not much, the same with the pics of the 777. If you are within <5% of the design goal, you do not have a general problem, but you need the whole dataset to tell how big the problem actually is. (Which parts were the problem, how can you fix them and does the fix have an influen...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure
Replies: 308
Views: 61670

Re: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure - they are Bad

The failing of the wing test on the A380 was freely communicated by Airbus. Secrecy breeds mistrust. Those pictures should have been communicated openly by Boeing with the needed explanations. Where are photos/videos of the A380’s failed test? (It’s also a bit rich to be saying Airbus was freely co...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure
Replies: 308
Views: 61670

Re: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure

one thing a lot of people fail to realize is the fatigue tests start at 1% and are gradually ramped up to destruction. The 150% is an arbitrary figure, had they reached it the next goal would have been 160% in 1% increments. That the test goes to destruction is not in question, but 150% is definite...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:00 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161101

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Dutchy wrote:
This sums up the whole Brexit debate perfectly.


LOL.

As soon as I saw and heard that pompous prat spouting his rude and arrogant nonsense, you could *tell* that he thoroughly deserved a comeback like that.

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by SomebodyInTLS
Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure
Replies: 308
Views: 61670

Re: Pictures surfacing of 777X Sept Test Failure - they are Bad

Wing loading is transferred into the fuselage where the wing meets the fuselage, this is the site of this failure. As the load is transferred into the fuselage skin will start to buckle. Add the pressurisation loads onto that you get the combined failure case. I responded on this topic to Keesje's ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:16 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: UK General Election 2019
Replies: 323
Views: 11346

Re: UK General Election 2019

Labour have pledged to plant 2 Billion trees in 20 years. Now if my maths is correct, this is over 273,000 trees per day? Even if this is apparently achievable, you have to do more than plant trees to sort out climate change. Was reading today that there is an existing government pledge to plant sl...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:11 am
Forum: Site Related
Topic: Request ability to retain/track moderated posts
Replies: 3
Views: 873

Re: Request ability to retain/track moderated posts

More than likely, your posts were removed for referencing a deleted post. I suspected the same, but it still stings a bit when it happens... We realize that it's frustrating, but our policies require us to remove all referenced posts. My preference would be for us to have discretion on removing ref...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: Site Related
Topic: Request ability to retain/track moderated posts
Replies: 3
Views: 873

Request ability to retain/track moderated posts

First up, I am not complaining about moderation here (although I do find it a bit arbitrary) - but I have noticed a few times, including the last couple of days, that I return to a thread to find the post I spent ages compiling the day before has simply vanished. This can be very frustrating - espec...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:07 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: UK General Election 2019
Replies: 323
Views: 11346

Re: UK General Election 2019

Corbyn/Labour rightly called out this evening on anti semitism by chief Rabbi. You mean the decidedly pro Tory rabbi has once again trotted out the tired and unsubstantiated rumour as part of an obviously coordinated smear campaign (yesterday it was Maureen Lipman) on the day Labour launches its fa...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 739310

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Stall recovery in an airliner is a Russian roulette. That is why stall avoidance is trained, recovery is not. I am mystified. I can see that stall recovery may take time and cost altitude but what is so vicious that entering and recovering from a stall can be likened to Russian roulette? It is a go...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:45 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: UK General Election 2019
Replies: 323
Views: 11346

Re: UK General Election 2019

Corbyn/Labour rightly called out this evening on anti semitism by chief Rabbi. You mean the decidedly pro Tory rabbi has once again trotted out the tired and unsubstantiated rumour as part of an obviously coordinated smear campaign (yesterday it was Maureen Lipman) on the day Labour launches its fa...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:08 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161101

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

If Labour does badly at the election it’s difficult to see how the current leadership could survive. The fact Labour is not trouncing the Tories in the polls is a sad indictment of its leadership. My wife said the other day that Corbyn is messing it up - I pointed out that Corbyn hasn't really done...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 739310

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

they are all culpable - Boeing, the FAA, Maintenance and training. You can't ignore any of them like some on here would have us do - that is all I'm trying to say. You are totally misrepresenting what the others are saying and your quoted statement is utterly upside-down. It seems to me that the on...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 370259

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Rollouts has lost it's luster after the 787 rollout fiasco. 'Fiasco' is a rather a strong word. I do not see that the 787 rollout was any more of the use of smoke and mirrors by Boeing than occurred with the rollout of the 747 back in 1968. A rollout is a big deal: it is when the public first get t...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates President slams other airlines and Airbus for mishandling and retiring A380
Replies: 294
Views: 43059

Re: Emirates CEO slams other airlines and Airbus for mishandling and retiring A380

VV wrote:
They were right and others were wong and that's it that's all.


In which case, why are you all over this thread banging on about it yet again?!

This thread is just a smug honeypot trying to "prove" how right you were.

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates President slams other airlines and Airbus for mishandling and retiring A380
Replies: 294
Views: 43059

Re: Emirates CEO slams other airlines and Airbus for mishandling and retiring A380

skipness1E wrote:
But the important thing is another willy-waving thread of people who have no actual skin in the game explaining why they were right.


Exactly.

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:46 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161101

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

it’s the way things are done in the UK Utter rubbish. Violating international law because you just can't be arsed to send a civil servant somewhere? It's *NOT* the way things are done, because the UK *DID* actually sign all the accords involved. Laws and treaties have repercussions, the UK - who I ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:39 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161101

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

The problem with A50 is no one at the time thought it would ever be invoke, with the actual timeframe to make the process as difficult as possabile for the leaving nation. I think the problem is that the authors assumed that anyone invoking the law would not be so stupid as to do so *BEFORE* having...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:37 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161101

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

European Commission launches infringement proceedings against the UK following its failure to name a candidate for EU Commissioner So interesting, the UK doesn't want to name a commissioner and is thus not doing its duty-bound things. We are in caretaker Government conventions and in that time it i...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 739310

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Science is only as accurate as humans can make it by testing theories against the real world. And those tests bring changes... Newton becomes Einstein, the flat Earth becomes a globe, witchcraft becomes medicine. And the same with technology... the MCAS debacle is a result of assumptions not matchi...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 370259

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

mag tape.... hell that was still years away... I'm talking about IBM punch cards. actually there was mag tape but we used a 40 ft trailer of punch cards a month. That's a bit of a surprise. Mag tape was already common in computer applications in the 1950s. Punch cards are older, the first wide spre...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates President slams other airlines and Airbus for mishandling and retiring A380
Replies: 294
Views: 43059

Re: Emirates CEO slams other airlines and Airbus for mishandling and retiring A380

Why are there more and more people expressing their view about the A380 today? They should have said all this fifteen years ago. For goodness' sake, you all dumped on it back then, continued to dump on it for twenty years, and I'm still seeing the exact same arguments from the exact same people in ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 739310

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Why do we need to test fly a plane when we have immense computational power to simulate it? This way of thinking has more similarities to the process by which Boeing got into its present mess than may at first be apparent. It's a unique malady of our times that the distinction between the real worl...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 739310

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Why do we need to test fly a plane when we have immense computational power to simulate it? The short answer is because we *don't* have the computational power... and never will. All simulation is based on human interpretation of what actually tends to happen in nature in real life. Unless you can ...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Akbar AlBaker accuses Singapore being a ‘copy cat’
Replies: 40
Views: 9276

Re: Akbar AlBaker accuses Singapore being a ‘copy cat’

The water feature design is more closely associated with the one at Marina Bay Sands, also designed by the same architect. While most people know MBS for its hanging roof feature and infinity pool, there is also a lesser-known "hurricane water feature" in the mall. The Jewel just looks li...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:43 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161101

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

https://www.passportindex.org/?country=la
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agill wrote:
ChrisKen wrote:
Brexit will make us the Laos of Europe


But... do they have blue passports?


Why yes, yes they do!

Say, are you deliberately winding us up here...? :cheeky:

https://www.passportindex.org/?country=la

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737NG Pickle fork issue
Replies: 565
Views: 138356

Re: 737NG Pickle fork issue

While I don't doubt this was Boeings thesis - the question is why. These are seemingly metal parts under variable and high stress conditions. It's known that almost all metal cracks - question is why this was ever defined as safe life Safe-life tends to be reserved for a small number of the heavies...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737NG Pickle fork issue
Replies: 565
Views: 138356

Re: 737NG Pickle fork issue

(N.B. I am not slagging off Boeing or the 737 here, these things happen and it's good that it's been caught - but it is definitely not normal for a safe-life part to "keep the crack from growing large enough to reach critical length" like you imply.) Re-reading it some time later, I accep...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737NG Pickle fork issue
Replies: 565
Views: 138356

Re: 737NG Pickle fork issue

The cycles threshold keeps getting lower. No Aircraft has had a failure.... These cracks are being found well before they represent a catastrophic failure. Keep in mind - with the possible exception of single crystal turbine blades; all metal parts have cracks in them at some level (Microscopic for...

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by SomebodyInTLS
Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:21 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox
Replies: 2565
Views: 161101

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

scbriml wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Looking forward to the UK becoming the Singapore of Europe.


What, full of immigrants?


(Guess what big political issue has been rumbling through Singaporean circles for the last few years...)

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by SomebodyInTLS
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:13 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: UK General Election 2019
Replies: 323
Views: 11346

Re: UK General Election 2019

But this is my question...and and can it be answered in simple terms? Will this Election (in 6 weeks) extend UK's exit? [...] :lol: Noob! As if any of those questions can be answered "in simple terms"... ;) (Not mocking you, by the way - the straight response should be "no - no-one k...

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