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by FATFlyer
Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

Airport staff finally posted some 2019 statistics. The report covers January to August 2019 for both domestic and international. http://flyfresno.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Jan_Aug-2019-Master.pdf If staff used the correct Available Seat numbers, then summer load factors were eye-popping. MONTHL...

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by FATFlyer
Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant Discussion Thread - 2019
Replies: 349
Views: 57176

Re: Allegiant Discussion Thread - 2019

Allegiant's Investor Day is Wednesday November 13. We'll see what information shows up in the presentations.

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by FATFlyer
Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant to open DSM base
Replies: 42
Views: 4681

Re: Allegiant to open DSM base

At least recently, the $50MM investment figure has been a standard part of the announcement of a two-aircraft base. Look at the BNA and TYS announcements, for instance. I don’t know how they come up with the number but expect that there is some . . . interesting . . . accounting involved. One of th...

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by FATFlyer
Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country to announce 4 NEW destinations Nov.5
Replies: 108
Views: 17815

Re: Sun Country to announce 4 NEW destinations Nov.5

A little late to the guessing party, but I remember reading an article where Jude Bricker (CEO) said SY wanted to focus next year on family destinations not served from MSP currently. Routes where people will use the airline to visit family members. Visiting family (VFR) instead of vacation destina...

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by FATFlyer
Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

Photos from this week's start of Volaris service on FAT-BJX.
http://www.facebook.com/FresnoYosemiteInternational/posts/2479840902251553

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by FATFlyer
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

Again, the airport has posted no 2019 numbers yet. So here are the latest DOT numbers. July domestic enplanements: 2019 - 77,443........... 2018 - 73,445 YoY increase for July of about 5.5% Jan - July domestic enplanements: 2019 - 468,337......... 2018 - 419,263 YoY increase for Jan - July of about ...

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by FATFlyer
Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

United's California president is a Stockton native. In an interview with the Stockton paper this week, she said she is working with the city and chamber to use the new flights as a way to boost economic development. She also talks about connecting the Valley. http://www.recordnet.com/news/20191026/f...

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by FATFlyer
Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:34 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airports ranked by O&D
Replies: 28
Views: 6701

Re: Airports ranked by O&D

That’s also just for domestic traffic. The BTS Excel speadsheet at that link also has an international passenger tab at the bottom. Then it also has a total passenger tab. For example, Fresno (FAT) is #105 for domestic; #48 for international; and is #98 overall (total). The international tab isnt O...

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by FATFlyer
Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New flight from SBA?
Replies: 19
Views: 4494

Re: New flight from SBA?

Take Amtrack to Fresno then red eye to ORD Bakersfield has the largest per capita train use in the country You have to be careful using Amtrak's Bakersfield station numbers. Bakersfield is the bus connecting point at the end of the San Joaquin line. The connections skew the passenger numbers for th...

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by FATFlyer
Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 10/27/2019:AA Summer COS-PHX;DL Drops JFK-AGP/PDL;G4;Y4;UA Cuts CVG-SFO, Adds GEG-IAH,IAD-HHH,ORD-PSC/SBA
Replies: 44
Views: 11691

Re: OAG Changes 10/27/2019:AA Summer COS-PHX;DL Drops JFK-AGP/PDL;G4;Y4;UA Cuts CVG-SFO, Adds GEG-IAH,IAD-HHH,ORD-PSC/SB

United starts ORD-SBA but it is red-eye from SBA-ORD arrive ORD 5AM. Nobody really wants to fly 11PM to 5AM to ORD. I bet will not make a good load. They should SBA-ORD in the morning 6 or 7AM to ORD. It doesn't make sense. Q UA started FAT-ORD with similar red-eye times as a summer only E75 in 201...

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by FATFlyer
Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:48 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airports ranked by O&D
Replies: 28
Views: 6701

Re: Airports ranked by O&D

This might be it. https://www.bts.gov/airport-rankings-2018 That’s also just for domestic traffic. The BTS Excel speadsheet at that link also has an international passenger tab at the bottom. Then it also has a total passenger tab. For example, Fresno (FAT) is #105 for domestic; #48 for internation...

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by FATFlyer
Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New flight from SBA?
Replies: 19
Views: 4494

Re: New flight from SBA?

Fresno-Chicago has been operating as an UA red-eye. FAT-ORD has done well, starting out as a seasonal UAX E75 in Summer 2018 and is now a year-round mainline red-eye.

Probably the same thoughts here. Try the market as a summer E75 red-eye and see if it grows.

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by FATFlyer
Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

F9 added back a 3rd weekly to Den in their latest update. MWF until March, when the next extension is to take place. Anyone catch the Atlas 747-400 departing today? Had just pulled in to tailgate before the Fresno State game - couldn’t help but notice. FlightAware shows the destination as Travis Ai...

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by FATFlyer
Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant Discussion Thread - 2019
Replies: 349
Views: 57176

Re: Allegiant Discussion Thread - 2019

Talks are of 120 aircraft on property by end of 2020, with 20 bases systemwide. I’m guessing they are eyeing another batch of Airbus about to come onto the market. Rumor I heard was they have committed to 12 new aircraft. If true that would still be a large increase in the fleet which was originall...

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by FATFlyer
Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

Someone may have noticed this discussion. The airport put out a new press release today, local TV news has been running with it. Just a mention of the increase passenger traffic, it is more focused on the increased aircraft sizes and frequencies. But it is something. http://flyfresno.com/airport-and...

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by FATFlyer
Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

I have not looked at it yet but just a few thoughts about your comments. 2) I’m sure this is just routine business, but one of the gates is designed for a 767-400. I would love to say that an airline like Condor is considering service to “Yosemite,” but it’s probably just to make sure any future 737...

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by FATFlyer
Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

Tyra Banks at the Women's Conference in Fresno yesterday made a couple of brief comments about using FAT. Mentions from someone who may be considered an influencer by some locals probably has more impact then some of the recent airport marketing or lack of it. The airport is sharing the comments on ...

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by FATFlyer
Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

The airport's FY2020 budget lists $425,400 for "Public Relations & Information". In FY2019 the budget was also $425,400. But the amount spent in that category in FY2018 was $945,186. I wonder why 2018 was so much higher. This is a pic of the booth at the Food Expo last week. Setting up...

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by FATFlyer
Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

FAT's level of activity on social media has increased. The problem from the marketing side is that relies on people following the accounts and sharing the posts. But I know many locals who do not follow the airport on social media. The airport had a booth at the California Food Expo last week. But t...

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by FATFlyer
Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant Discussion Thread - 2019
Replies: 349
Views: 57176

Re: Allegiant Discussion Thread - 2019

Allegiant's N279NV and N280NV are also 7 year old A320s from Cebu.

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by FATFlyer
Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

Plus, what would advertising the fact of record pax numbers accomplish to the local masses? Advertising record passengers would raise the profile more. Many locals still think no one else flies from FAT so why should they. They are surprised to hear there are nonstops to cities like ORD. Many local...

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by FATFlyer
Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

I also do not understand the airport's marketing side these days. No monthly reports are being posted online. No press releases touting these record passenger numbers.

The city's fiscal year ended June 30. They should have had a big splash with the media about the fiscal 2018-19 passenger numbers.

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by FATFlyer
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

FAT is still not posting 2019 statistics. But the DOT posted June domestic enplanement numbers: June: 2019 - 76,376....... 2018 - 72,564 YoY increase for the month of June of about 5%. (slower but I would also have to go back to see how much capacity increased this year) Jan to June 2019 domestic en...

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by FATFlyer
Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS announces San Luis Obispo from PDX & SAN
Replies: 85
Views: 9590

Re: AS announces San Luis Obispo from PDX & SAN

WestAir HDQ had moved from STS to Burlingame to Chico. WestAir HQ moved from Chico to Fresno in 1985. They used what is now the Skywest maintenance hangar and some adjacent old WWII barracks buildings at FAT as the HQ. It remained at FAT even after the Mesa buyout until the UAX contract was given t...

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by FATFlyer
Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS expands Pacific Northwest to California with 8 new routes & adds frequencies on others
Replies: 154
Views: 26397

Re: AS expands Pacific Northwest to California with 8 new routes & adds frequencies on others

It is 114 miles from Bakersfield to Fresno, and Bakersfield has a population of 380,000. You’d think there would be more of a market for flights there. It is also only about 100 miles from Bakersfield to BUR, 115 miles Bakersfield to LAX. BFL has a lot of competition within a 90 minute to 2 hour dr...

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by FATFlyer
Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS announces San Luis Obispo from PDX & SAN
Replies: 85
Views: 9590

Re: AS announces San Luis Obispo from PDX & SAN

The increase in flights by all airlines at SBP has also already caused an increase in airport noise complaints. From a July 2019 article: The San Luis Obispo airport’s noise comment form had 257 submissions in 2017, 342 in 2018 and 934 in 2019 so far. http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/article2...

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by FATFlyer
Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS expands Pacific Northwest to California with 8 new routes & adds frequencies on others
Replies: 154
Views: 26397

Re: AS expands Pacific Northwest to California with 8 new routes & adds frequencies on others

It is 114 miles from Bakersfield to Fresno, and Bakersfield has a population of 380,000. You’d think there would be more of a market for flights there. It is also only about 100 miles from Bakersfield to BUR, 115 miles Bakersfield to LAX. BFL has a lot of competition within a 90 minute to 2 hour dr...

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by FATFlyer
Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS announces San Luis Obispo from PDX & SAN
Replies: 85
Views: 9590

Re: AS announces San Luis Obispo from PDX & SAN

strfyr51 wrote:
Horizon in one of their former lives actually Did fly to smaller California Cities, So? It would NOT be any stretch to see them fly there as well as MRY, SCK, SBA, FAT, BFL and PSP, and possibly0 ONT.

The Alaska branded flights at FAT are currently operated by both QX and OO.

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by FATFlyer
Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

FAT is publicizing the start of Fresno to León flights. Volaris is scheduled to start FAT-BJX on October 29. http://flyfresno.com/volaris-expands-list-of-international-destinations-between-fresno-y-and-mexico/ http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article234721012.html The 3:35am departure from Fresno...

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by FATFlyer
Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS announces San Luis Obispo from PDX & SAN
Replies: 85
Views: 9590

Re: AS announces San Luis Obispo from PDX & SAN

Sigh...once again a smaller city gains more service while nearby BFL languishes. As I understand, BFL's management has been trying to woo AS to PDX or SEA for years, but thus far, nothing. What a difference a business climate can make... I was on a Fresno-Portland flight a couple of months ago. A c...

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by FATFlyer
Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

I just went back and projected this year's enplanements assuming the current rate continues. The airport is on track for 1.9 to 2.0 million O&D passengers in 2019. Even if growth slows to 10% per year in 2020 and 2021, FAT will be following the high growth forecast from the new master plan. That...

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by FATFlyer
Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

The airport has not been posting statistics for 2019. So I took a look at the DOT info. International numbers at the DOT lag by a few months. Enplanements available currently: 2019 Month by Month international enplanements only January: 2019 - 10,174.......2018 - 10,496 February: 2019 - 8,143.........

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by FATFlyer
Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

The airport has not been posting statistics for 2019. So I took a look at the DOT info. 16% increase. That is domestic passenger enplanements growth in the first 5 months of this year vs 2018. 2019 Month by Month domestic eplanements only January: 2019 - 56,403.......2018 - 48,558 February: 2019 - 5...

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by FATFlyer
Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

AA’s schedule upgrade tonight shows a second FAT-PHX going mainline for the holidays. Add 9:50 to the A319 lineup. DL 175’s replace the 700’s this coming week. Airport seems to be heavy to 175s and Airbus these days. AA needs to clean up the fares on those mainline flights. Some days in December th...

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by FATFlyer
Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

Not sure if anyone noticed, but Y4 had pulled the new BJX for about a month, but that was retuned to their booking site in the last week as well. Have they DOT OK? I have not seen a filing for Y4's FAT-BJX yet at the DOT. But I have not looked to see if they have filed for Mexico's approval yet. Th...

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by FATFlyer
Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

From the weekly thread: AS FAT-SEA JAN 2>3[2] AS just keeps growing. How close are we to mainline service in FAT? Will it be SAN or SEA? I could see either. I could see FAT-SEA get a seasonal mainline frequency for summer cruise season. But I could also see a mainline FAT-SAN-HNL routing as a way t...

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by FATFlyer
Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant Discussion Thread - 2019
Replies: 349
Views: 57176

Re: Allegiant Discussion Thread - 2019

Return to Fort Collins FNL-LAS FNL-AZA What, did they build a tower at FNL? ;) FNL has a remote, virtual tower opening, currently in testing phase. It is a FAA pilot project. There is not a tower but instead controllers will monitor radar and cameras from inside a modular building. http://www.codot...

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by FATFlyer
Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SRQ new service announcement Aug 13
Replies: 61
Views: 9231

Re: SRQ new service announcement Aug 13

Did G4 get more planes recently to be able to service all these new routes? They have received several aircraft in recent months. I believe Allegiant will receive 3 more aircraft this year, reaching a fleet of 93 aircraft. They plan to to grow by 9 aircraft in 2020. The big change is the increase i...

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by FATFlyer
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

Frontier14 wrote:
Frontier announced today the November start of daily service between RDU-ATL and RDU-MIA.

Frontier 14

Interesting but I'm not sure why you posted RDU flights on a thread about Fresno (FAT).

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by FATFlyer
Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:36 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: Raiders, Allegiant Agree On Naming Rights Deal For Las Vegas Stadium
Replies: 14
Views: 2069

Re: Report: Raiders, Allegiant Close to Las Vegas Stadium Naming-Rights Deal

Allegiant's press release today makes it official. http://ir.allegiantair.com/news-releases/news-release-details/raiders-allegiant-agree-naming-rights-deal-las-vegas-stadium LAS VEGAS, Aug. 5, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- The Raiders and Allegiant (NASDAQ: ALGT) today announced an agreement for the naming r...

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by FATFlyer
Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Contour Announces SBP-LAS Begins Oct 17
Replies: 7
Views: 1111

Contour Announces SBP-LAS Begins Oct 17

Contour announced this morning new service between San Luis Obispo, CA (SBP) and Las Vegas.

Service begins October 17. Flights will operate Thursday, Friday, Sunday and Monday.

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/business/article231919053.html

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by FATFlyer
Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

AA - I would need to double check but I believe Fresno is the largest US metropolitan area that AA does not serve from ORD. Even if just for competitive reasons they may need to consider the route. According to the OAG thread, AA is cutting RNO and BOI to ORD, and reducing PDX to ORD. That doesn’t ...

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by FATFlyer
Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 6/23/2019:AA Suspends ORD-RNO/ERI/BOI/CHS;DFW-OAK;AF Adds MIA-PTP;DL Increases BOS/SEA
Replies: 89
Views: 14548

Re: OAG Changes 6/23/2019:AA Suspends ORD-RNO/ERI/BOI/CHS;DFW-OAK;AF Adds MIA-PTP;DL Increases BOS/SEA

For AA’s ORD-CHS/ERI/RNO/BOI cuts, they appear to be seasonal. OAK on the other hand, I wonder? Thanks for this as always. I agree they could be seasonal cuts although we cannot be sure until next year. But looking at last year, the June 17, 2018 OAG thread shows ORD-CHS/RNO/BOI all being cut last ...

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by FATFlyer
Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

It’s a great picture. Not so great if you’re trying to navigate the crowds. Pretty amazing that late night is the big rush. F9 tonight extended DEN - going to Monday/Friday. Remains a 7:40p departure with virtually no connections unless you overnight. F9 is throwing in Wednesday nights for the 2 we...

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by FATFlyer
Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

During the Council budget hearing last week, the airport director was saying that if he had his current information when he created the budget proposal a few months ago that he would have budgeted even higher growth. Basically hinting something may be in discussion with at least one airline. I reall...

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by FATFlyer
Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

I was looking at some FAT passenger numbers over the weekend. That was prompted by hearing airport staff say last week that FAT-GDL is now the 4th largest US to GDL market. In Fiscal Year 2008-09, FAT O&D saw its only decline due to the recession. Passenger numbers fell by about 11.5% to 1,128,6...

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by FATFlyer
Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

FAT's modular customs building definitely needs to be replaced. The number of flights has outgrown capacity in the FIS. But the building is probably better than what SJC travelers endured for many years during the AA hub days. SJC's old FIS was small and cramped. It was also remote from the terminal...

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by FATFlyer
Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 258
Views: 29924

Re: Fresno Aviation Thread - 2019

The City Council will review the new fiscal year budget for the airport on Monday. In the budget, FAT estimates in fiscal year 2020 it will handle 2,033,600 passengers. Fiscal year 2019 ending on June 30 is projected by the airport to see 1,888,200 passengers. So an estimated 7.7% growth for FY2020 ...

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by FATFlyer
Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hawaiian being forced out of LAX terminal
Replies: 52
Views: 9970

Re: Hawaiian being forced out of LAX terminal

Also look at SBA/PSP/MTY as new markets with potential. ONT should get HA/B6 flights to match up for connections. Using the same source I posted in post #21 above https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1423967#p21406789 here are the rankings and total number of Hawaii visitors in 2...

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by FATFlyer
Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hawaiian being forced out of LAX terminal
Replies: 52
Views: 9970

Re: Hawaiian being forced out of LAX terminal

The BIG question mark - and I'm sure the dealbreaker, unless I'm corrected by someone on here - is whether or not the I.E. demographics can support and sustain Hawaiian service from ONT. The IE sends a large number of visitors to Hawaii. From the Hawaii 2017 Visitor Statistics, table #19 (2018 has ...

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