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by jagraham
Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition
Replies: 656
Views: 108285

Re: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition

But than Boeing would have had to write of the cost of producing them, this way they could defer the production cost. Proves that Boeing will accept steep cost increase just for the privilege of moving cost into the deferred basket. Along with the privilege of collecting the significant revenue the...

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by jagraham
Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition
Replies: 656
Views: 108285

Re: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition

In last weeks press conference Leahy compares the A330NEO to the 787. http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/hot-topics/annual-press-briefing-2017/ He claims around (38:00 min): - Wide 18 seats - 3 DB quieter cabin - 20-30 million capital cost advantage - better fuel consumption, economics From the A330...

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by jagraham
Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition
Replies: 656
Views: 108285

Re: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition

And when they couldn't sell them, Boeing took billions in write-downs by moving them into R&D because that was effectively what they became - prototype R&D frames. Of course, if Boeing had been able to sell them, that would not have been a panacea as they would have still incurred billions ...

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by jagraham
Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition
Replies: 656
Views: 108285

Re: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition

the R&D aren't included in the deffered program costs. Reason why the prototype frames were targeted for sale and the terrible teens reworked at high ( above revenue?) cost. If a tradeable item the ( extremely to very high ) cost of the early frames goes into deferred cost and not into immediat...

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by jagraham
Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition
Replies: 656
Views: 108285

Re: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition

Start reading this thread, information should not be needed to be posted several times. I think Polot explained my point rather well. I have been reading this thread continuously and I have even contributed some figures. So, I ask you again, what is your source for the A330-900 having a clear OEW a...

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by jagraham
Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta TPAC Future
Replies: 54
Views: 9475

Re: Delta TPAC Future

Delta's real "problem" is that they grabbed T2 and T3 at LAX. While SEA is closer to Asia, and flights from SEA can save money or be done on smaller planes (most of east Asia is reachable from SEA by 763s), LA is 4X as big as SEA and is the ultimate destination for a double digit percentag...

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by jagraham
Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA @ Guam
Replies: 29
Views: 5841

Re: UA @ Guam

Because they still have a large presence in GUM/Micronesia and it is isolated from the rest of the system. Using a mainland base is impossible; there is no way to fly between the mainland US/Hawaii and GUM via any point in the world solely on UA 737s. The Micronesia 737s only fly to/from GUM/Micron...

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by jagraham
Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Using B787-8 as a replacement for B757?
Replies: 48
Views: 11833

Re: B787-8 Replacement for B757

My understanding is that the 752 can carry more cargo than a 739. MTOW for the 739 is roughly 187,000 pounds, while it's 255,000 pounds for the 752. At MTOW, the 752 needs 6800 feet of runway. The 739 needs 9800 feet. (Numbers for Wikipedia.) Yes, the 757 can lift more than a 737-900ER using less r...

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by jagraham
Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Using B787-8 as a replacement for B757?
Replies: 48
Views: 11833

Re: B787-8 Replacement for B757

My understanding is that the 752 can carry more cargo than a 739. MTOW for the 739 is roughly 187,000 pounds, while it's 255,000 pounds for the 752. At MTOW, the 752 needs 6800 feet of runway. The 739 needs 9800 feet. (Numbers for Wikipedia.) Yes, the 757 can lift more than a 737-900ER using less r...

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by jagraham
Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Using B787-8 as a replacement for B757?
Replies: 48
Views: 11833

Re: B787-8 Replacement for B757

But the 757 also doesn't have the chronic weight restriction-related issues that the 739 has. Except almost all 737-900ER missions are not weight-restricted. I recently flew BWI-SEA on an AS 739ER against a brutal headwind and we went out full. 757s are now mostly restricted to TATL and Hawaii miss...

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by jagraham
Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition
Replies: 656
Views: 108285

Re: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition

Not as important as payload range, but the 789 features significant improvements in the the maintenance department. Composite materials are not subject to traditional metal fatigue so C checks are much less intensive and are spaced out longer. Troubleshooting and maintenance are suppose to be simil...

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by jagraham
Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Using B787-8 as a replacement for B757?
Replies: 48
Views: 11833

Re: B787-8 Replacement for B757

It's not that the 788 is too large to work as a 757 replacement. The problem is that range. The 788 is capable of flying very, very long routes, while the 757 can do JFK/ORD/BOS/PHL to western Europe. You don't buy a plane that can fly Chicago to Shangai or Houston to Auckland and have it working O...

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by jagraham
Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Time for a A300NEO?
Replies: 118
Views: 20671

Re: Time for a A300NEO?

Getting 240 people off of a single aisle plane takes time. 753 has widebody turn time. New tech won't fix that.

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by jagraham
Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW-HNL AA 772 starts today!
Replies: 29
Views: 7127

Re: DFW-HNL AA 772 starts today!

AtlasRise wrote:
jagraham wrote:
AtlasRise wrote:
Does DL still use 772 to HNL or is it all A330 now?


No DL772s here. A330s, 763s, 757s, starting to see 739s.


Sorry I meant aside from the westcoast service on NBs. I recall DL used to send a 772 from ATL.


DL 836 / 837 is an A333 after a short stint using 744's shortly after the merger with NW

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by jagraham
Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW-HNL AA 772 starts today!
Replies: 29
Views: 7127

Re: DFW-HNL AA 772 starts today!

77H wrote:
jagraham wrote:
AtlasRise wrote:
Does DL still use 772 to HNL or is it all A330 now?


No DL772s here. A330s, 763s, 757s, starting to see 739s.


I see DL is running a 764 on JFK-HNL today.


Yup. Holiday special. I wonder how they freed up a 764? I will look for it tomorrow

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by jagraham
Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW-HNL AA 772 starts today!
Replies: 29
Views: 7127

Re: DFW-HNL AA 772 starts today!

AtlasRise wrote:
Does DL still use 772 to HNL or is it all A330 now?


No DL772s here. A330s, 763s, 757s, starting to see 739s.

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by jagraham
Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA's 777-200ER ULH flights
Replies: 60
Views: 15086

Re: UA's 777-200ER ULH flights

Boeing says they changed range numbers to better match what airlines were actually doing Which seems sorta dumb, as you now have aircraft flying ranges which Boeing's "realistic" numbers suggest they shouldn't be able to do... particularly the 789. Would've been better off leaving the old...

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by jagraham
Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA's 777-200ER ULH flights
Replies: 60
Views: 15086

Re: UA's 777-200ER ULH flights

Boeing says they changed range numbers to better match what airlines were actually doing 03 AUGUST, 2015 SOURCE: FLIGHTGLOBAL PRO BY: STEPHEN TRIMBLE WASHINGTON DC A visitor to Boeing’s web site this week will be in for a shock: the listed seat-counts and range specifications for nearly all of the c...

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by jagraham
Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What happened to the 777X orders?
Replies: 323
Views: 37708

Re: What happened to the 777X orders?

I have it as $400 million vs $340 Million so no, not 25% more. But still a very large sum. All the more impressive they have sold ~300 of them this far in advance of service. Much higher price per seat than the A380. But then again, I view prices as a byproduct of what the market is willing to pay....

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by jagraham
Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What happened to the 777X orders?
Replies: 323
Views: 37708

Re: What happened to the 777X orders?

I think that people are underestimating one aspect. The B779 will be as heavy as a B744, with very similar thrust requirements, slightly lower MZFW, same capacity, same range. In the widebody market, capacity has shifted downwards from the B747 to the B77W/A350XWB size. The ME3 think that they are ...

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by jagraham
Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First Boeing 787-10 enters final assembly
Replies: 150
Views: 41682

Re: First Boeing 787-10 enters final assembly

Yes, as the center section cannot be transported to PAE. Considering all of the tracks.... I wonder if they ruled out rail due to cost, or was size preventative there too. Then again, could be both, I guess. At a minimum, I'd think the width would kill any chance of moving by rail. They can barely ...

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by jagraham
Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A350ULR and -1000, good Qantas long haul fit?
Replies: 146
Views: 17496

Re: A350ULR and -1000, good Qantas long haul fit?

I just don't see why QF would be that interested in the A330neo. QF needs the 787 because it needs the range, They have nothing that can fly further than their current A332s except 747s and A380s... which are way too big for many markets. The A339 is not going to help them much transpac, and the A3...

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by jagraham
Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A350ULR and -1000, good Qantas long haul fit?
Replies: 146
Views: 17496

Re: A350ULR and -1000, good Qantas long haul fit?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 787s are a good bit smaller than the A350s in terms of capacity and range, aren't they? In terms of passenger capacity, the A350-900 will carry one more row of Business or three more rows of Economy Class. In terms of payload, both the 787-9 and A350-900 will lift 5...

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by jagraham
Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X - Updated Information And Developments
Replies: 2650
Views: 260019

Re: Boeing 777X - Updated Information And Developments

The wing has to survive 150% of max load. With the wingtip extended. As for movement in flight, that is what that great big locking click is supposed to prevent.

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by jagraham
Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: DL Going To 10 Abreast On 777
Replies: 74
Views: 20063

Re: Rumor: DL Going To 10 Abreast On 777

The airlines should get Boeing to give them the new 77X interior panels - that are thinner and allow for 10 abreast 18" seating in the 777 - and have the best of both worlds

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by jagraham
Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United; why the 77W AND A35J?
Replies: 80
Views: 11096

Re: United; why the 77W AND A35J?

A35J OEW 341700 lb; A35J MTOW 679000 lb. Max payload from graph 150000 lb approx. 679000-(341700+150000) = 183300 lb for fuel. Or 27358 gal. The chart is definitely optimistic.

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by jagraham
Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United; why the 77W AND A35J?
Replies: 80
Views: 11096

Re: United; why the 77W AND A35J?

the fuel difference between 77W and A35j is 45000 lb

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by jagraham
Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hawaiian looking at A380
Replies: 109
Views: 22299

Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/2815 ... n-expected
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HNL is renovating. Extensively. But it costs a lot. And the costs keep going up. Leading to delays

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/2815 ... n-expected

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by jagraham
Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will the entire UA B777 fleet go 3-4-3 eventually?
Replies: 34
Views: 5373

Re: Will the entire UA B777 fleet go 3-4-3 eventually?

The 778 and 779 have new interior wall panels which will allow 10 across with 18 inch seats. In the same diameter tube. I personally hope that UA gets hold of those panels and retrofits their earlier model 777s . .

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by jagraham
Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hawaiian looking at A380
Replies: 109
Views: 22299

Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

HNL has two 12000 foot runways. The A380 can certainly land and takeoff at HNL. Gates . . ?

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by jagraham
Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New UA 737-700s and ETOPS
Replies: 27
Views: 8747

Re: New UA 737-700s and ETOPS

I would agree the 739 can't do OGG or LIH (7000 ft and 6500 ft) as currently configured. So it's the 738 - less fuel, but less seats. And no HMV5 for many years

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by jagraham
Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New UA 737-700s and ETOPS
Replies: 27
Views: 8747

Re: New UA 737-700s and ETOPS

I just flew United between Honolulu and San Francisco. UA72 (738) to SFO and UA1670 (739ER) back. No blocked seats. A 737-700 is not needed to get to Hawaii, and the new ones can do it with full pax.

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by jagraham
Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'
Replies: 113
Views: 21806

Re: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'

the fuselage sections are one piece construction I found a photo that shows very clearly how the 787 fuselage barrel is attached to the frame: http://www.tectonica-online.com/art/images/adh23.jpg While the barrel is manufactured as a single piece, the frames are added and fastened in a pretty conve...

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by jagraham
Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'
Replies: 113
Views: 21806

Re: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'

1) The latest Airport Planning Guide for the 787 includes the 78J, but OEW and Maximum Structural Payload is still TBD 1b) My guess is about 300000 lb OEW for 78J, 16000 lb more than 789. Each 787 stretch is 6 meters. MLW for 78J is 20000 lb more than 789, MZFW is 25000 lb more than 789. http://www...

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by jagraham
Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'
Replies: 113
Views: 21806

Re: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'

The A350 PANELS are CRFP. The spars (or ribs, I don't care) are Al-LI. Not a completely composite fuselage, as 787 has. I still have no clue as to what you're referring to but stringers and frames on the A350 fuselage are composite just as they are for the 787. http://www.compositesworld.com/articl...

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by jagraham
Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'
Replies: 113
Views: 21806

Re: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'

Also, the A350 is not a CFRP fuselage Sorry, but I have to say it, this kind of blows your credibility out of the water. :shock: The A359 slaughters the 77E - same pax count, more range (a lot more range for the ULR) and burns significantly less fuel doing it. The A350 PANELS are CRFP. The spars (o...

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by jagraham
Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'
Replies: 113
Views: 21806

Re: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'

I compared A330 stretch because it was the closest Airbus product. My point is that the A35J OEW gain is so much less than the A333 weight gain (with A35J having a longer stretch) that it strains credulity. Also, the A350 is not a CFRP fuselage, and the changes between the A359 and A35J are much le...

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by jagraham
Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'
Replies: 113
Views: 21806

Re: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'

A359 has no weight advantage over even a 77E with aluminum wings. As for A35J, Airbus says it will weigh 20000 lb more than the A359. With a 25 foot stretch. The A333 weighs 30000 lb more than the A332 for a 16 foot stretch. So I doubt Airbus will make that number. I would guess 35000 lb, making th...

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by jagraham
Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'
Replies: 113
Views: 21806

Re: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'

A359 has no weight advantage over even a 77E with aluminum wings. Based on what? The A359's MTOW is 20t lighter than the 77E and it can carry exactly the same number of pax over 1,000nm further. The A359 carries the same number of pax farther (not 1000nm farther unless you consider the ULR version)...

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by jagraham
Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CMH/IND/MKE to illustrate Milwaukee bleed to ORD
Replies: 49
Views: 5382

Re: CMH/IND/MKE to illustrate Milwaukee bleed to ORD

The bleed is triggered by the disappearance of nonstop flights. Which the OP has adequately demonstrated. The OP's correlation is comparing nonstop to after-nonstop in the three markets. Whatever is going on with MSA/CSA, or income, was incorporated into the nonstop flying. When certain nonstops dis...

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by jagraham
Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'
Replies: 113
Views: 21806

Re: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'

A359 has no weight advantage over even a 77E with aluminum wings. As for A35J, Airbus says it will weigh 20000 lb more than the A359. With a 25 foot stretch. The A333 weighs 30000 lb more than the A332 for a 16 foot stretch. So I doubt Airbus will make that number. I would guess 35000 lb, making the...

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by jagraham
Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'
Replies: 113
Views: 21806

Re: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'

The 779 is quoted for 3% more range; with a 10% better engine, that means 7% less fuel (MTOW is the same so there is no weight related fuel savings). Maybe 2% for the longer wing, so 9% less fuel. 4310 less gallons, or 28877 less pounds of fuel. Add 28877 to the 370000 lb OEW of the 77W, and you get...

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by jagraham
Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'
Replies: 113
Views: 21806

Re: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'

The OEW difference for the 77W vs the 77L is 50000 lb, or about 10 tons. I am sure the difference between the 778 and 779 won't be any bigger. The 77W is 33 ft longer than the 77L, while the 779 is 22 feet longer than the 778. And the 778 is 14 feet shorter than the 77W. Boeing should be able to mak...

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by jagraham
Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'
Replies: 113
Views: 21806

Re: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'

What Boeing did was 1) Carbon fibre wing to reduce weight, and 2) longer wing. In particular, they bit the bullet and put on folding wingtips. That lets them make a longer wing without taking more gate space or taxi width. Note that there are rumors that the 77X will go Al-Li or something to that ef...

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by jagraham
Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'
Replies: 113
Views: 21806

Re: Cathay Pacific is considering the 'A350-8000'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777X
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Boeing says the 778 and 779 are EXACTLY the same weight as the 77W. And they started out weighing less.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777X

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by jagraham
Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CMH/IND/MKE to illustrate Milwaukee bleed to ORD
Replies: 49
Views: 5382

Re: CMH/IND/MKE to illustrate Milwaukee bleed to ORD

I believe that the OP has made a strong case for a dropoff when there are only connecting flights. I also believe that the arguments about municipality vs CSA/MSA and GDP / median income only dent the premise slightly. For domestic flights. Driving hours to another metro area to catch an internation...

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by jagraham
Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's next for American Airlines
Replies: 56
Views: 14741

Re: What's next for American Airlines

It's not just how close the A350 and 77E are in capacity - the OEW (was) virtually identical. The initial A350-900s were as follows: The original range figure was for the original 268t MTOW which was the initial weight variant for the aircraft. At certification of the A350-900 in 2014, three additio...

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by jagraham
Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 8/19/2016: DL Adds SEA-EUG; Big AA/UA; NK Trims SJU; Y4 DEN-MTY
Replies: 57
Views: 10299

Re: OAG Changes 8/19/2016: DL Adds SEA-EUG; Big AA/UA; NK Trims SJU; Y4 DEN-MTY

AA, DL, UA are no longer regionals - they are national carriers. So the service philosophy of being strong here and weak there has to go. Or one of the others will eat their lunch.

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