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by xiaotung
Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020
Replies: 613
Views: 66333

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

We know that HNA has been having financial troubles for sometime and COVID-19 seems to be the final nail in the coffin. News circulating on Chinese social media that Hainan Airlines will be taken over by Air China and their subsidiaries will be taken over by China Eastern and China Southern. Not sur...

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by xiaotung
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TAP Portugal begin JV with Azul
Replies: 20
Views: 2614

Re: TAP Portugal begin JV with Azul

Could Azul join Star Alliance? Could they? Probably. But I think the legacy alliances are now weaker than ever. I think the future will be JV's and JV-type partnerships. I've always suspected that we're heading towards a TAP-Azul-JetBlue JV some time in the near future. The missing link for that to...

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by xiaotung
Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS to join OneWorld / AA to make SEA an Intl gateway
Replies: 1207
Views: 138986

Re: AA to make SEA an INT hub/new codeshare with AS and LHR and India

Is the first time two US carriers joined the same Global Alliance? Nope. DL, CO and NW were all part of SkyTeam at the same time pre-mergers. US and UA were part of Star Alliance at the same time as well. Not sure if you're asking if it's the first time two have joined together, but AA is already a...

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by xiaotung
Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020
Replies: 613
Views: 66333

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Virgin Australia axes SYD-HKG from March 2. So much for Borghetti's grand plans for China! https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/virgin-australia-axes-sydney-hong-kong-flights Let's be honest. Borghetti never had a grand plan for China. It was all designed to get fresh money from HNA to buy him m...

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by xiaotung
Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020
Replies: 374
Views: 50028

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

You are wrong. It's around 250,000 extra passengers annually for the airline so not insignificant. Nothing to do with Borghetti its to put the customers first. My point is how many of those 250,000 pax would have been interline pax anyway? How many of those are Gold/Elite? I can't imagine too many....

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by xiaotung
Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020
Replies: 374
Views: 50028

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

The QF/NZ alliance will be around for a while it certainly is not meaningless. Australian passengers can connect on to the Air NZ domestic network while the same applies the other way. It's a better match up than the former NZ/VA alliance which offered less choice of destinations and on board produ...

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by xiaotung
Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020
Replies: 374
Views: 50028

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thr QF/NZ alliance is virtually meaningless. It was designed to piss off John Borghetti and nothing more. There is zero benefit to anymore flying from cities with direct flights between the two countries. What's left are the likes of Tauranga and Townsville. How important can they be for NZ? I don'...

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by xiaotung
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020
Replies: 374
Views: 50028

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

The LH Group/VA interline mentioned in last month's thread. https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1435975&p=21844095#p21843955 Also related: NH and VA had been interlining between AU and Japan via HKG for a while now due to the HX situation, there was also the option for Japan...

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by xiaotung
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways considers buying Lufthansa stake
Replies: 16
Views: 4520

Re: Qatar Airways considers buying Lufthansa stake

He has said publicly that his airline first approached Star Alliance for membership as his preferred choice of alliance but Star did not want him. This is probably another stunt to show his dissatisfaction towards oneworld now that they have lost Latam.

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by xiaotung
Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why don't Air China codeshare with Virgin Atlantic on LGW-PVG and LHR-CTU?
Replies: 9
Views: 1211

Re: Why don't Air China codeshare with Virgin Atlantic on LGW-PVG and LHR-CTU?

IIRC, CA and VS formed their partnership a long time ago when they were both the only airline flying the LHR-PVG and PEK-LHR route respectively. It made sense at the time that the codeshare agreement enabled each other's customers to book a dual destination itinerary. It was never meant to be anythi...

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by xiaotung
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: IndiGo, Qatar Airways sign codeshare agreement
Replies: 51
Views: 5805

Re: IndiGo - Qatar to make “strategic” announcement Nov. 7

What happened to the Indian domestic airline that QR was going to set up?

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by xiaotung
Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG to buy Air Europa for €1 billion
Replies: 357
Views: 61694

Re: IAG to buy Air Europa for €1 billion

Confirmed by Investor Presentation page 14:

Integration plan
▪ Bolt-on acquisition within Iberia corporate structure
▪ Retention initially of the Air Europa brand
▪ Integration to be managed by Iberia and IAG
▪ Air Europa to leave SkyTeam

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by xiaotung
Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: HO to start 3 weekly PVG-ATH from Jun 2020
Replies: 17
Views: 2415

Re: HO to start 3 weekly PVG-ATH from Jun 2020

HO? What airline is that??? The one that gets with all the other airlines. On close inspection its a shell carrier for China Eastern (Close to 25% holding) yet to be in Star ! and co-operates Air China in mainly China Eastern territory- Usual convoluted Chinese not what it seems business approach ....

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by xiaotung
Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: HO to start 3 weekly PVG-ATH from Jun 2020
Replies: 17
Views: 2415

Re: HO to start 3 weekly PVG-ATH from Jun 2020

HO have just announced with Greek tourism authority 3 weekly PVG-ATH flight from Jun 2020 on their B787-9. I would expect a tie-up with A3, as a *A connecting partner. DUB (2 weekly), MAN (3 weekly), and KEF (2 weekly) are all on the cards but will be served as an extension to their existing HEL ro...

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by xiaotung
Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: HO to start 3 weekly PVG-ATH from Jun 2020
Replies: 17
Views: 2415

Re: HO to start 3 weekly PVG-ATH from Jun 2020

Nice to see another link from Athens to China. This will no doubt be a successful line given the rise of Chinese tourism and Greece's popularity. Anyone know the schedule? Hopefully ATH starts expanding its terminal facilities as the airport is a zoo in summer. This is only an tentative schedule: H...

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by xiaotung
Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: HO to start 3 weekly PVG-ATH from Jun 2020
Replies: 17
Views: 2415

HO to start 3 weekly PVG-ATH from Jun 2020

HO have just announced with Greek tourism authority 3 weekly PVG-ATH flight from Jun 2020 on their B787-9. I would expect a tie-up with A3, as a *A connecting partner. DUB (2 weekly), MAN (3 weekly), and KEF (2 weekly) are all on the cards but will be served as an extension to their existing HEL rou...

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by xiaotung
Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019
Replies: 589
Views: 67479

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Morrofinch wrote:
And Donghai Airlines has been a disaster in Australia. Close to one year being here and the load factors indicate massive losses. How long till they pull out?


Most Chinese haven't even heard of the airline. I don't now what they were thinking.

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by xiaotung
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019
Replies: 353
Views: 77044

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

American Airlines relaunched LAX-AKL last night for the season... ...and announced DFW-AKL and LAX-CHC. So AA/QF alliance is eating into NZ's profits while NZ is getting cozy with QF across the Tasman. How would this work? I hope one day common sense will prevail and NZ get back with VA which is be...

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by xiaotung
Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air New Zealand dropping LHR launch NYC
Replies: 261
Views: 58688

Re: Air New Zealand dropping LHR launch NYC

BCA2005 wrote:
With regards to the alternative routings mentioned:
NZ don’t fly to BKK
CA don’t fly PVG-LHR
VS no longer fly NRT-LHR (was dropped a few years ago)
AR don’t fly EZE-LHR


CA now offers PVG-LGW.

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by xiaotung
Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019
Replies: 353
Views: 77044

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

I don't disagree to an extent, but the airline itself has signalled that it does want PVG-AKL 2x daily and that it does see some sort of future in the China-South America market. Just sayin'. Seeing as this comment is driving some much belief in China-South America, why do you think 2 PVG flights i...

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by xiaotung
Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019
Replies: 353
Views: 77044

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Anyone have any idea what NZ will do with their LHR slots? From the little information I've been able to find, it seems after they axed HKG-LHR they kept their second slot and now lease it to CX. Could we see something similar happen with this? They first leased and then sold their slots to CX a wh...

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by xiaotung
Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019
Replies: 353
Views: 77044

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

I can't understand why, with year on year growth of just under 20%, half a million visitors a year why NZ wouldn't want to have a slice of the pie. I'm not talking about taking over all China operations or anything to that extent. Sure, the market is there, but that doesn't mean NZ can tap it effec...

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by xiaotung
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019
Replies: 353
Views: 77044

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

From what I know is that the Chinese need a Transit visa to come via AKL. So therefore most of the China to South America market will be using an airline from countries that don't require a transit visa to pass through. So I don't see it having much potential to grow for NZ. Relying upon mainly O&a...

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by xiaotung
Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alitalia News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1441
Views: 343822

Re: Alitalia bankruptcy and selling process discussion thread

Interesting to note that it would cost around 80 million Euros for AZ to exit SkyTeam and join Star Alliance. Looks like alliance membership is part of the agenda. Star Alliance is the only alliance that's holding ground lately.

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by xiaotung
Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019
Replies: 353
Views: 77044

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Looking East, what can NZ do in China? A Herald article a few months back quoted Luxon confirming that the airline was still very much seeking to be in the China-South America market. The biggest obstacle is that they need 2x daily to PVG to make that work, and they just can't get the slots. The sa...

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by xiaotung
Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe to become Virgin Connect in 2020
Replies: 151
Views: 41406

Re: Flybe to become Virgin Connect in 2020

Virgin Connect is not Virgin Atlantic Connect, is it? Apart from being 30% owned by the VS holding company. So nothing changes really apart from the name.

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by xiaotung
Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2019
Replies: 417
Views: 99224

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2019

Not in Australia. . Based on what measure? LFs, growth. You know, the basics. You can find a couple of years worth of data from this link . I would put that down to QFF and largely Australia is a oneworld country. NH is superior in every other respect and VA is lucky that they get to partner with N...

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by xiaotung
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2019
Replies: 417
Views: 99224

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2019

qf002 wrote:
DeltaB717 wrote:
the other from a resident of Tokyo.


“The Japanese love Virgin brands” - well say no more lol.


If anything VA should be excited about is the massive NH FFP base. No once cares about the Virgin name just as they don't care about Sony anymore.

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by xiaotung
Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019
Replies: 585
Views: 81871

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

One thing is clear, VA does not have many cards to play with. Currently there is no replacement or expansion plan of long haul aircraft. Very few options to turn the international operations around. Assuming they do get awarded one of the slots, taking 17% of their A330 fleet to start a new route m...

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by xiaotung
Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019
Replies: 585
Views: 81871

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

VA haven't shown any interest in operating to Japan until these slots have come up, there hasn't been anything stopping them from flying to other Japanese airports in the past, so it could be seen as an attempt to cherry pick a route when there are viable alternatives already available for them to ...

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by xiaotung
Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Odds of AD (Azul) joining Oneworld to compensate for LATAM.
Replies: 35
Views: 5693

Re: Odds of AD (Azul) joining Oneworld to compensate for LATAM.

SQ789 wrote:
How about AV leaves Star for OW if AA interested in acquiring stake in AV? But, is there any SA airlines that have stake in AV?


UA technically has control over AV. This is not going to happen.

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by xiaotung
Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA/oneworld Needs a Win
Replies: 123
Views: 18954

Re: AA/oneworld Needs a Win

Do you have a link/source to this information? https://www.forbes.com/sites/garyleff/2019/09/27/deltas-deal-for-20-of-latin-americas-largest-airline-leaves-competitors-scramblingn/#7230790829e9 Cueto says he hopes to continue LATAM’s partnerships with British Airways, Iberia, and with Qantas. Thank...

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by xiaotung
Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Odds of AD (Azul) joining Oneworld to compensate for LATAM.
Replies: 35
Views: 5693

Re: Odds of AD (Azul) joining Oneworld to compensate for LATAM.

Ain't happening, the CEO already said no for Star Alliance and have no reason to join oneworld. If happens, will be Star Alliance Connecting Partner, Azul runs away from the costs of being an SA member. Before asks, AD employee and former O6 That was before. Was it before the demise of O6 or after,...

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by xiaotung
Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA/oneworld Needs a Win
Replies: 123
Views: 18954

Re: AA/oneworld Needs a Win

That means CZ, no doubt about it.

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by xiaotung
Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta buying 20% of LATAM
Replies: 867
Views: 126476

Re: Delta buying 20% of LATAM

What are the odds of Oneworld getting either G3 or AD? G3 will severe ties with DL anyway, while AD, which is a much more premium airline than G3, will have to cut ties with TAP in order to join Oneworld. Otherwise Oneworld will have a LATAM-sized hole. There is no other good airline in Latin Ameri...

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by xiaotung
Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta buying 20% of LATAM
Replies: 867
Views: 126476

Re: Delta buying 20% of LATAM

You forget that Air China owns 29.99% of Cathay Pacific. So even if DL "did the same" to Cathay the notion that DL would somehow get a larger say in matters than Air China is a tad unrealistic. If anything the only way CX will move is towards STAR, Delta and Skyteam won't get a look in th...

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by xiaotung
Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta buying 20% of LATAM
Replies: 867
Views: 126476

Re: Delta buying 20% of LATAM

Hello good morning, what does it mean now for AR? Should they stay in Skyteam or should they change to Star Alliance or Oneworld? Now that AV has lost both Brazil and Argentina domestic market permanently, it wouldn't be too terrible for AR to jump to *A. Perhaps NZ could also sponsor them. For one...

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by xiaotung
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019
Replies: 585
Views: 81871

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

With the approval (or near approval) of the VA/VS JV through HKG, this does seem to cement for me that VA will not be going after the HND slot. I think with Scurrah now trying to stem loss making routes, starting a new international service would be high risk and not on the agenda. Presumably VA wi...

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by xiaotung
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019
Replies: 585
Views: 81871

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Scurrah: The option to sign up for a global alliance such as Star Alliance or SkyTeam remains on the table for the airline’s “future international network strategy”, but is far from a cure-all for the troubled airline (VA). Although 'open' to the idea, it seems Scurrah shares most of the same views...

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by xiaotung
Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019
Replies: 585
Views: 81871

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

I also did notice some VA FF had recently received email surveys about Alliances in general mentioning the likes of Oneworld, Star Alliance and SkyTeam. Perhaps SQ and EY are reducing their influence (on who can and cannot partner with VA) greatly. Saying that, VA joining any Alliance in general is...

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by xiaotung
Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019
Replies: 471
Views: 83484

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

As for alliances, VA has absolutely no cash to join one- they cost millions and then there's the problem of VA's res system which probably isn't complaint- that will take more millions more... Didn't Virgin Australia rip out its old Navitaire res system and move to Sabre under JB? Or is Sabre still...

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by xiaotung
Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019
Replies: 471
Views: 83484

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Any potential "majority" shareholder in VA will most likely be an outsider (if at all). BUT until that happens, the VA stakeholder makeup will remain the status quo. Meaning Scurrah is likely to be on his own for the restructure with no "income support" from the current sharehol...

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by xiaotung
Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019
Replies: 471
Views: 83484

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Would have thought the TT cost base would be more likely to make money at the moment that the VA cost base. Maybe TT should be sold off, even maybe sold back to Scoot? At what point are VA’s investors going to pull the plug on topping up VA’s bank account with the little or negative returns back in...

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by xiaotung
Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019
Replies: 471
Views: 83484

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Borghetti made a real mess of this one. He was focused for way way way too long on how to beat Qantas, rather than how to keep his own airline profitable. Then add in that crazy ownership structure that has so many conflicting interests its not funny... all of which had one objective, to create a f...

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by xiaotung
Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019
Replies: 471
Views: 83484

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

I do expect VA to pull out of HKG altogether. The alliance with HNA was originally designed for Mainland China travellers who use HKG as a transit point but it never panned out even before the current Hong Kong situation. The VS alliance was really a last resort solution but the current political te...

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by xiaotung
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Avianca's Chairman: The airline is broke
Replies: 71
Views: 16239

Re: Avianca's CEO: The airline is broke

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/80988-avianca-owner-bids-for-jet-airways Meanwhile Synergy Group is bidding for 9W. So they have the cash. What is Sydney's current relationship with AV? Sigh... he also tried to bid for Alitalia and was vetoed by Delta & Ferrovie dello Stato. The guy (Ef...

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by xiaotung
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Avianca's Chairman: The airline is broke
Replies: 71
Views: 16239

Re: Avianca's CEO: The airline is broke

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... et-airways

Meanwhile Synergy Group is bidding for 9W. So they have the cash. What is Sydney's current relationship with AV?
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https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... et-airways

Meanwhile Synergy Group is bidding for 9W. So they have the cash. What is Sydney's current relationship with AV?

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by xiaotung
Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: World's largest single-building satellite concourse ready to open at PVG
Replies: 21
Views: 7262

Re: World's largest single-building satellite concourse ready to open at PVG

I was told even though the satellite terminal is one single building, it's split into S1 and S2 and each is operated separetely. There is no airside transfer facility between the two. I know everyone is excited as this is long over due but the soft product can be shockingly bad. That sounds pretty ...

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by xiaotung
Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: World's largest single-building satellite concourse ready to open at PVG
Replies: 21
Views: 7262

Re: World's largest single-building satellite concourse ready to open at PVG

I was told even though the satellite terminal is one single building, it's split into S1 and S2 and each is operated separetely. There is no airside transfer facility between the two. I know everyone is excited as this is long over due but the soft product can be shockingly bad.

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by xiaotung
Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:13 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest
Replies: 183
Views: 44946

Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

ago According to Flightradar Virgin Australia has retimed it’s flights out of Hong Kong for 11am/1130am Local time 13/8. The flight to SYD is showing a time of 10am, MEL 1130am, if SYD gets delayed beyond 12 it will hit the curfew for SYD. VA still has both HKG flights operating tomorrow which mean...

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