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by timz
Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MCO pic -- 1960s (?)
Replies: 14
Views: 2357

MCO pic -- 1960s (?)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mss2400/1 ... 475337564/

Did MCO have a new terminal here, or was it some old building converted?
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Judging by the cars, has to be at least what year?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mss2400/1 ... 475337564/

Did MCO have a new terminal here, or was it some old building converted?

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by timz
Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Air MD-80 order
Replies: 48
Views: 9161

Re: US Air MD-80 order

dennypayne wrote:
Can anyone confirm whether either PIT-SFO or SFO-LGB on 12 June 1988 would have been an MD-80?

6/88 OAG says AL31 was 72S, AL1944 was a 146. 4/88 and 10/88 OAGs also show flight 31 as 72S.

PSA ended in 4/88, so presumably lots of PSA paint in 6/88.

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by timz
Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF timetable from 1991
Replies: 6
Views: 2059

Re: July 1991

The ORY-JIB-RUN-MRU 747 left Orly at 2200 Fri
CDG-NCE-JED-SEZ-MRU-RUN left at 1555 Sat
CDG-DXB-SEZ-RUN-MRU left at 1700 Thu
CDG-JED-MRU-RUN left at 2055 Mon.

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by timz
Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF timetable from 1991
Replies: 6
Views: 2059

Re: AF timetable from 1991

I'll look again, but pretty sure I copied it right. No idea whether the OAG is right.

Want me to text you a phone pic of the page? Or I could e-mail you a scan.

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by timz
Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF timetable from 1991
Replies: 6
Views: 2059

Re: AF timetable from 1991

7/91 OAG shows one Air France 747 a week ORY-JIB-RUN-MRU, plus three 747s a week from CDG:

CDG-DXB-SEZ-RUN-MRU
CDG-NCE-JED-SEZ-MRU-RUN
CDG-JED-MRU-RUN

Also one "AF/MK" 767 a week nonstop ORY-MRU, and the MK flights.

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by timz
Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Air MD-80 order
Replies: 48
Views: 9161

Re: US Air MD-80 order

Ten MD-80s c/n 53162 to 53171 were delivered Sept 1992 to Aug 1993. Eight of them were sold to leasing firms (?) on delivery; the other two went to the same firms after a month or two. The book says five were stored at Oklahoma City -- doesn't say when. So: any evidence any of them ever flew for USA...

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by timz
Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:49 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will we ever see an airline do an around the world flight?
Replies: 37
Views: 5987

Re: around the world flight?

The 2001 version if UA 1 (the only version where the 747-400 went thru) was LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-IAD-LAX.

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by timz
Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?
Replies: 111
Views: 19362

Re: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?

I have never seen a passenger 707 with less than three https://www.flickr.com/photos/xsacman/6781444084/in/album-72157630441866582/ Think if it had three, one would be on #4. Also this one -- think it's actually a 720B with an HF antenna? https://www.flickr.com/photos/xsacman/6781444504/in/album-72...

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by timz
Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am European Ops
Replies: 53
Views: 7029

Re: Pan Am European Ops

Polot wrote:
AOA flew to LHR until purchased by PA in 1950 (iirc PA was not at LHr at the time)

PA (and probably AOA) started flying to "London" before LHR opened.

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by timz
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LGA to west coast
Replies: 45
Views: 6353

Re: LGA to west coast

The perimeter rule at LGA and DCA are bygone era-remnants of the "bigger planes mean more noise!" cry from the late 1950's/early 1960's. Far as we know, LGA's perimeter rule dates from around 1984. (DCA's rule was for jets only, starting in 1966.) Think the first 1500+ mile jet flight out...

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by timz
Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LGA to west coast
Replies: 45
Views: 6353

Re: LGA to west coast

No one is worried about hurting JFK. Apparently the Port Authority thinks transcons out of LGA will make LGA too busy.

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by timz
Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am European Ops
Replies: 53
Views: 7029

Re: Pan Am European Ops

DC-4s at Berlin until 1960, then DC-6Bs until the 727 appeared around 1966-67.

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by timz
Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am European Ops
Replies: 53
Views: 7029

Re: Pan Am European Ops

TW and PA had a sort of gentleman’s agreement in place for several decades that saw each of them serving as the exclusive US carrier to certain cities. TW didn't fly to London until PA took over AOA in 1950. I'm guessing TWA wasn't allowed to fly to London until then -- no gentlemen involved. (Not ...

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by timz
Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:25 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will we ever see an airline do an around the world flight?
Replies: 37
Views: 5987

Re: Will we ever see an airline do an around the world flight?

The "round the world definition" Ie: a flight Eastbound or Westbound that originates and terminates same station and goes around all the "meridians" in the process. As mentioned before both PAA and TWA offered these in the age of the Connies and later with 707. PA did that for a...

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by timz
Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?
Replies: 111
Views: 19362

Re: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?

global2 wrote:
I believe I read that when Boeing expanded the width of the fuselage to accommodate six abreast seating, it ended up being six inches wider than the DC-8

Boeing's drawings show the 707 as 148 inches external width and DC-8 as 147 inches.

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by timz
Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa to Monastir in the 80s
Replies: 5
Views: 1635

Re: Lufthansa to Monastir in the 80s

No LH flight to Monastir in the 12/82 ABC Guide.

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by timz
Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa to Monastir in the 80s
Replies: 5
Views: 1635

Re: Lufthansa to Monastir in the 80s

A SaSu nonstop 737 from FRA is in the 7/89 OAG: flight 1988 to Monastir, return is flight 1989 on Sa and 1987 on Su.

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by timz
Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:39 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Opposite Direction Runway Operations
Replies: 35
Views: 5700

Re: Opposite Direction Runway Operations

Looks like obstruction height east of SAN is maybe 100 ft higher than to the west.

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by timz
Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:31 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Around the World Route
Replies: 18
Views: 2816

Re: Around the World Route

I was flying for Pan Am in 1967 and do not recall any flying across the US. The timetable shows one flight a day Europe to JFK to SFO starting in 1967. Bullitt almost got it right -- the Pan Am flight the killer tried to escape on was SFO-JFK-FCO, which might have been true except the real-life fli...

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by timz
Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History question: Baltimore airport
Replies: 14
Views: 2773

Re: History question: Baltimore airport

Thanks for finding the Post article. Wonder if it's true -- 1/79 OAG shows BAL-KEF-LUX once a week. Anyone got a summer 1979 OAG? EA started YOW-BAL in 1973 or 1974. Just checking a few OAGs, looks like no one did nonstop YYZ-BAL before 1990. Offhand guess: BAL became BWI around 1981. That's the sor...

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by timz
Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did AA Dehub SJC?
Replies: 43
Views: 7711

Re: Why did AA Dehub SJC?

crescent wrote:
AA blamed San Jose in the media not extending the runway

Wasn't runway 30L 11000 ft by the end of 1992?

Offhand guess: AA and AA Eagle had far more departures in 1991 than during any later hub. (Dunno if that would still be true if you count Reno Air as part of AA.)

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by timz
Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History question: Baltimore airport
Replies: 14
Views: 2773

Re: History question: Baltimore airport

In 1947 Colonial flew Ottawa to Massena; in the 50s Colonial, then Eastern flew Ottawa to Syracuse. Anyone find YOW-BAL nonstop anytime?

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by timz
Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegheny Airlines Vistacrusier?
Replies: 10
Views: 1444

Re: Allegheny Airlines Vistacruiser?

"Jet powered" suggests turboprop, so presumably a CV580. It's Allegheny, not Allegheny Commuter?

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by timz
Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History question: Baltimore airport
Replies: 14
Views: 2773

Re: History question: Baltimore airport

I was asking about Friendship, the present Baltimore airport.

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by timz
Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History question: Baltimore airport
Replies: 14
Views: 2773

History question: Baltimore airport

World Airways started flying Baltimore to LGW nonstop in 1980 or 1981 -- anyone know which? Was that Baltimore's first transatlantic nonstop?

Eastern started flying Baltimore to Montreal nonstop in 1961 -- I'm guessing that was BAL's first international nonstop. Anyone know of an earlier?

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by timz
Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:46 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Opposite Direction Runway Operations
Replies: 35
Views: 5700

Re: Opposite Direction Runway Operations

Guess when they're landing on 31R at JFK, LGA arrivals are at 4000 ft northbound up the Hudson -- right? Think the LGA arrivals need to be higher?

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by timz
Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:07 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Opposite Direction Runway Operations
Replies: 35
Views: 5700

Re: Opposite Direction Runway Operations

JFK could land on 31R and depart from 13R without interfering with other airports.

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by timz
Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:04 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: AA DFW-HNL in Summer 1984
Replies: 8
Views: 1627

Re: AA DFW-HNL in Summer 1984

The 2/84 and 4/84 OAGs also show two AA 747s a day HNL-LAX, so that accounts for some of the 566 departures in 1984.

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by timz
Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:05 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Around the World Route
Replies: 18
Views: 2816

Re: Around the World Route

PA started flying across the US about 1967, and PA 1 was all-the-way RTW for a short time in the 1970s.

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by timz
Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:15 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: AA DFW-HNL in Summer 1984
Replies: 8
Views: 1627

Re: AA DFW-HNL in Summer 1984

Airport Activity Statistics shows 566 AA 747 departures from HNL in calendar 1984. Doesn't say where they were going, of course, but probably most or all of them were to DFW?

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by timz
Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:15 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: AA DFW-HNL in Summer 1984
Replies: 8
Views: 1627

Re: AA DFW-HNL in Summer 1984

4/84 OAG shows two AA 747s a day DFW-HNL; 7/84 shows two DC10s.

When did AA get DC10-30s?

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by timz
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Where? (National DC-7 -- 1959-60?)
Replies: 32
Views: 3738

Re: Where? (National DC-7 -- 1959-60?)

A New Orleans pic, with EA airliners along the northward walkway https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/16311106561/sizes/o/ Think the tower is just out of the color pic (note the light extending into the pic, at the right edge -- it appears below) https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/1612...

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by timz
Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:27 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: TWA L1011 service from PHL-STL
Replies: 15
Views: 3112

Re: TWA L1011 service from PHL-STL

In the 10/86 OAG a TriStar leaves PHL at 0645 to STL-SFO. In the 2/87, the 0630 departure to STL is an MD80 -- no TriStar until 0900, which goes to STL-LAX.

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by timz
Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Where? (National DC-7 -- 1959-60?)
Replies: 32
Views: 3738

Re: Where? (National DC-7 -- 1959-60?)

If it's Tampa, which way are we looking -- N or W?

Either way, in a Tampa pic, can you find that walkway or whatever it is extending toward the CV440?

(Historicaerials.com has a pretty good aerial that it says is 1969 -- no walkway visible.)

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by timz
Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Where? (National DC-7 -- 1959-60?)
Replies: 32
Views: 3738

Re: Where? (National DC-7 -- 1959-60?)

If it's Imeson, we're looking NNE?

Probably too much empty space on the left side of the pic for that.

How about New Orleans?

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by timz
Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Where? (National DC-7 -- 1959-60?)
Replies: 32
Views: 3738

Where? (National DC-7 -- 1959-60?)

Not much to go by https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPWUlIaGnrH1tz6CLXBNAO6jUAVKldqa5EH4AQ6zPu3jiWMjTVDbhn-s086epJrTQ/photo/AF1QipPC1_ayM6Y8mc_rYc_bhtehmSllM5Rgi2L4GVJY?key=QmxUX3Bnd2hXYTRYVko5azFTMDlHSmdLN3BwQmdR Wondered if it was Baltimore, but looks like BAL didn't get many National DC-7s. Wh...

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by timz
Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Where? (TAI DC-7C)
Replies: 13
Views: 1960

Re: Where? (TAI DC-7C)

I wondered about that -- radar for sure won't fit in that nose?

In the 4/60 OAG, possibilities include Bora Bora, Fiji and Noumea. Can't be Djakarta or Bangkok or Saigon, can it? And it says the flight to Tananarive was a DC-6B.

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by timz
Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Where? (TAI DC-7C)
Replies: 13
Views: 1960

Where? (TAI DC-7C)

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipP ... dLN3BwQmdR
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Says March 1960, maybe, which would mean it's not Tahiti

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipP ... dLN3BwQmdR

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by timz
Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:35 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: When was ETOPS approved for transpacific flights?
Replies: 28
Views: 3549

Re: When was ETOPS approved for transpacific flights?

zeke wrote:
[Air France] also had A300s based in PPT doing overwater flights beyond 60 minutes.

Papeete? Or did you mean somewhere else?

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by timz
Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:17 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: When was ETOPS approved for transpacific flights?
Replies: 28
Views: 3549

Re: When was ETOPS approved for transpacific flights?

UA857 wrote:
When was the first Transpacific twin flight?

Dunno about the first transpacific nonstop, but didn't Air New Zealand start 767 flights to LA via HNL in 1989 or 1990?

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by timz
Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What was 1st type of aircraft to offer regular Non Stop passenger service across the Atlantic?
Replies: 49
Views: 10809

Re: What was 1st type of aircraft to offer regular Non Stop passenger service across the Atlantic?

NW had daily nonstops TYO to SEA in summer 1964 -- looks like no one beat that.

(No one beat that for daily nonstops Asia to the US, but forgot to check CP Tokyo to Vancouver. Couldn't have been daily then, tho.)

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by timz
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What was 1st type of aircraft to offer regular Non Stop passenger service across the Atlantic?
Replies: 49
Views: 10809

Re: What was 1st type of aircraft to offer regular Non Stop passenger service across the Atlantic?

fraspotter wrote:
Is there any way to find out what the first DAILY regular flights across the Atlantic and Pacific were?

PA's winter-only nonstop LGA to LHR was daily in 1947/48. Daily Tokyo to the US probably started in the early 1960s -- offhand guess is NW to Seattle.

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by timz
Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What was 1st type of aircraft to offer regular Non Stop passenger service across the Atlantic?
Replies: 49
Views: 10809

Re: What was 1st type of aircraft to offer regular Non Stop passenger service across the Atlantic?

I don't care what PAA said, the 049/749 Constellation was not capable of a non stop crossing The 749 was, of course, with winter tailwinds if not with summer. That's why Pan Am showed "Non-Stop" in their winter timetable, starting in 1948. AOA and BOAC were then flying 049s, so Pan Am had...

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by timz
Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OSL is 20 years old today !
Replies: 29
Views: 4156

Re: OSL is 20 years old today !

jsnww81 wrote:
I don't believe Fornebu handled transatlantic jet services until the 767 came along

PA moved back to FBU in 1967. That summer a DC-8 flew JFK to FBU nonstop and stopped Prestwick returning; in summer 1968 707s were nonstop both ways.

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by timz
Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What was 1st type of aircraft to offer regular Non Stop passenger service across the Atlantic?
Replies: 49
Views: 10809

Re: What was 1st type of aircraft to offer regular Non Stop passenger service across the Atlantic?

First scheduled nonstop US to Asia was a weekly NW 707 SEA to TYO in 1963-- it's in the 12/63 OAG and not in the 8/63. SFO to Tokyo seems to have been years later, and LA to Tokyo may not have started until the 747SP.

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by timz
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What was 1st type of aircraft to offer regular Non Stop passenger service across the Atlantic?
Replies: 49
Views: 10809

Re: What was 1st type of aircraft to offer regular Non Stop passenger service across the Atlantic?

Aside from the Hindenburg , the first regularly scheduled nonstops from the US to Europe were Pan Am L749s in late 1947. They started out winter-only, presumably due to the tailwinds. The 12/48 OAG says "Pan American Airways has resumed daily non-stop [eastward] service between New York and Lon...

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by timz
Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LGW L1011 Timetable services
Replies: 76
Views: 8565

Re: LGW L1011 Timetable services

carledwards wrote:
Does anyone have the schedule to the later PIT and / or BWI service?

LGW-BWI is in the 6/89 timetable. LGW-PIT was only in summer 1981? Was then 3/week, along with 3/week PIT-PHL-LHR.

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by timz
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LGW L1011 Timetable services
Replies: 76
Views: 8565

Re: LGW L1011 Timetable services

I'm guessing EA never considered flying LGW-MIA nonstop with an L1011.

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by timz
Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW-JFK 1964
Replies: 1
Views: 712

Re: DTW-JFK 1964

In 1/64 AA had six weekday nonstops DTW-JFK, but the timetable only identifies one -- the 1924 arrival was a 990.

In 7/64 AA had three nonstops: the 1027 arrival was a 707 and the 1357 and 1932 arrivals were 990s.

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