historicaerials.com shows it under construction in 1990 and open in 1991.Jump to post
If you don't have the flight numbers yet 31 Oct 1976 https://merrick.library.miami.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/asm0341/id/35402/rec/214 24 April 1977 https://merrick.library.miami.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/asm0341/id/31670/rec/217 12 Sept 1977 https://merrick.library.miami.edu/cdm/comp...Jump to post
DenverTed wrote:I don't think [UA] ever flew Detroit or Boston nonstop
Historicaerials.com has a 1986 aerial of Miami, and the taxiways in the pic match up pretty well with the taxiways north of Runway 12. But the distant buildings in the pic --- can't find them on current aerials. (How about the bldg at 25.807N 80.331W that's on the 1980s aerials and is gone now?) If ...Jump to post
747Whale wrote:the SEAL BEACH 8 ... [is] flown for both eastbound and westbound departures
The wikipedia article says Monterrey started 1991; apparently the map is 1991-93. I'll check a couple OAGs.Jump to post
Some diagrams https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/12535962994/sizes/h/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/12535824724/sizes/k/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/15530504470/sizes/h/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/15529468179/sizes/h/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/...Jump to post
The NW timetable for 1 May 1999 and the July 1999 OAG show an eastward one-stop via NRT.
No eastward direct flights in NW timetables for 8 Sept 1999, 31 Jan 2000 or 1 May 2000.
August 2000 OAG shows the nonstop.
I finally noticed the Pan Am timetables at https://merrick.library.miami.edu/specialCollections/asm0341/ Hundreds of them, in semi-random order. I listed most of the 1945-1990 system timetables in date order -- if you want the lists give me your e-mail and I'll send them to you. (I might have made a...Jump to post
DL747400 wrote:Do (did?) both LGA and JFK use this flightpath?
Airport Activity Statistics shows 2283 Empire F28 departures from LGA in 1984, and 410 Piedmont -- no Pilgrim. Probably all Piedmont's F28 arrivals were from the south or west, so they wouldn't be southbound down the Hudson.Jump to post
World Financial Center is under construction, so the 1984 date might be right.Jump to post
It's going to LGA, starting to bank left for runway 4 or 31. Do LGA arrivals from the northeast still do this? Did Piedmont have any flights to LGA from the NE?Jump to post
I punched the filed route into ForeFlight, and it shows direct SFO at 3,500 Must be just for clerical reasons, or something. They'd never actually do that, of course. They climb to 5000 and turn WNW to pass under the SFO arrival stream from the south. Like he said, that's what AA MD11s to Tokyo did...Jump to post
Busiest airport in the US 1949 to 1958 was always Chicago Midway -- by flight count, anyway, and probably by passenger count. No doubt it was #1 in the world. O'Hare replaced it and was the world #1 thru the 1960s and 1970s, by flight count at least. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.390150...Jump to post
how far away are we from "Cleared takeoff, route direct to destination" If flights are converging on JFK from all over the US, they can't all converge on JFK -- they have to converge on a point west of JFK so approach control can sequence them. Years ago I heard a night flight climbing ou...Jump to post
DC-7C economical cruise would be more like 260-270 knots. Typical seat count ... maybe 70-75 on international flights.
Econ cruise for a CV880 is less than 500 knots, of course, and don't plan to fly 3300 nm with it.
Turns out SYD to JNB is 5963 nm direct, or 6247 nm if you stay within 1600 nm of Perth and Mauritius.Jump to post
SYD/MEL to JNB/CPT would need a slight detour to stay within 240 minutes -- maybe Cocos would eliminate that.
(No, looks like Cocos doesn't help much.)
Wouldn't that depend on whether Diego Garcia is an allowed alternate? Is it?
Or maybe Cocos Island is more useful -- is it an allowed alternate?
all airliners flying such a Southern route must be ETOPS330 certified They need 330 if they want to fly the great circle. If an AKL-EZE flight stays within 1600 nm of an airport, it increases its route by 250 nm, compared to great circle. A MEL-SCL flight staying within 1600 nm of an airport is 502...Jump to post
Boeing doesn't claim any 767 can use a 7000-ft runway at MTOW. A paragraph on the DCA rule, from the old Wikipedia article Originally the airport had no perimeter rule; from 1954 to 1960, airlines scheduled nonstop flights to California on piston-engine airliners. Scheduled jet airliners wer...Jump to post
MO11 wrote:[LGA's rule] was 2000 miles before 1984, then reduced to 1500 miles.
MO11 wrote:DCA had a "gentlemen's agreement" until around 1981
x1234 wrote:ETOPS aircraft (77E for AirNZ, 789 for LATAM, Qantas still uses the 4 engine B744) require 330 minutes.
the airlines that operated [the B377] successfully - Pan American, American Overseas Airlines, BOAC and Northwest Orient - only operated it on the premium routes where they could charge enough to make money. First Class fare on a Stratocruiser was usually the same as First Class on other airliners ...Jump to post
trauha wrote:The Concorde was quite economical once up cruising.
No, usually not. Looks like a 737-800 has about 44% of the wing area of a 707-320B.Jump to post
Guess it's easy to compare the 707 and 737 wing loadings -- gross weight divided by wing area. Offhand guess: 737 has more wing per pound of aircraft.Jump to post
CWizard wrote:Current jetliners are slower than the original 707, which cruised at an equivalent ground speed of 608 mph.
At 35000 ft, SFC for the JT3Cs on a 707-120 or the JT4As on a -320 was around 0.9.
JT3Ds and JT8Ds around 0.81 (bypass ratio around 1:1)
JT8D-200s ... something less than 0.8?
All the higher-bypass engines do better -- like Wikipedia says, something less than 0.6.
Cathay Pacific Constellations -- don't see any mention of Cathay in Marson's book. Anyone else find it? 10/59 OAG shows a weekly Electra Hong Kong to Manila to Darwin to Sydney. Don't have any OAGs between then and 5/59 -- in that issue Cathay doesn't fly beyond Singapore, Borneo and Manila. Ditto t...Jump to post
Cunard wrote:I find it very unlikely that I had stated that the inaugural flight was on a B747-300 classic.
How much longer was the schedule flight time circa 1984, compared to later?Jump to post
Must have been wrong about Oakland -- Airport Activity Stats only shows 7 TWA jet departures in 1962, so presumably they weren't scheduled.
Sacramento and Reno both 1964. Surprised to see White Plains got Mohawk BACs in 1965; Islip didn't get them until 1969.
Newark: United, 11 Sept 1961 La Guardia: AA-UA, 1 June 1964 Stewart: AA, April 1990 Oakland's 10000-ft runway opened in 1962 and I think TWA started a 707 almost immediately, but it didn't last too long and OAK may have been jetless for a little while around 1964. Any other airports started jets and...Jump to post