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by CriticalPoint
Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airlines cash reserves
Replies: 48
Views: 10330

Re: Airlines cash reserves

Covid 19 has been devastating for the airline business, in the US government aid is helping many carriers to weather the storm Having said that it’s troubling to see what relatively low cash positions most American airlines have No company can expect to survive long with minimal or no revenue but f...

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by CriticalPoint
Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Spirit Airlines in this crisis
Replies: 82
Views: 21769

Re: Spirit Airlines in this crisis

No one is going to give a crap about social distancing once everything opens back up. The world isn’t big enough for everyone to keep 6 feet apart. The only people that are going to “try” to social distance are the paranoid. The world doesn’t work when society social distances. Anyone who thinks tha...

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by CriticalPoint
Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:06 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Oil price crash
Replies: 223
Views: 7857

Re: WTI Oil price goes negative

airways1 wrote:
With negative oil prices, could we dream of a return of the IL-62, IL-86, Tu-154, Tu-134, B-707, DC-8, Concorde...?


It’s not negative it’s still around $20/barrel

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by CriticalPoint
Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:17 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Oil price crash
Replies: 223
Views: 7857

Re: WTI Oil price goes negative

https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/45 Well what a crazy time to live. WTI is -37 USD per barrel. What is the impact on the air transportation? There's a big spread between jet kerosene and crude oil now. Can airlines stock up the crude and ask for processing later? For the May contract that expi...

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by CriticalPoint
Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1173
Views: 194052

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/American-Airlines It appears that most of the A332's & A333's have made the one-way trip to ROW. I imagine these will join the 767's, which are now officially retired. I also think the 757's are done, too. When the dust settles, it looks like AA will have t...

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by CriticalPoint
Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 4/19/2020:F9 Cuts AUG/SEP;DL Exits JAXRDU;UA Follows AA by Decimating Int'l for May and Summer, Drops SCKLAX
Replies: 78
Views: 13885

Re: OAG Changes 4/19/2020:F9 Cuts AUG/SEP;DL Exits JAXRDU;UA Follows AA by Decimating Int'l for May and Summer, Drops SC

UA is operating some International service In May... SFO-SYD/NRT IAH-GRU ORD-LHR IAD-FRA EWR-AMS/LHR/FRA/TLV There are a few cities in Mexico as well as a few Central America flights operating as well. We’ve been discussing it over on the fleet thread. I didn't see any media coverage on this. When ...

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by CriticalPoint
Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 3158
Views: 546755

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Nicknuzzii wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

If possible could you provide a list of the routes that won’t operate?



Everything that isn’t listed above isn’t operating......


I meant the routes that won’t be flying at all this summer.


Everything I saw that was for sure was secondary Europe.

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by CriticalPoint
Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 3158
Views: 546755

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Updated May international schedule revealed. Pretty much everything scheduled to resume in May was pushed back to June. Also 21 routes will not operate at all for S20. The May international passenger schedule as follows: Atlantic EWR - AMS/FRA/LHR/TLV IAD - FRA ORD - LHR Pacific SFO - NRT/TLV LatAm...

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by CriticalPoint
Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 3158
Views: 546755

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

As it turns out both the pilots and FA's want that permanent barrier reinstalled UA agreed and I don't thing the aircraft reentered service. Ugh... not that fight again! Almost 10 years later and still not resolved (in various forms). The agreement was to NOT remove it on any aircraft that had it a...

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by CriticalPoint
Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

There should be a limit. Allowing the E2-175 or MRJ (original size) is not going to decrease mainline opportunities. If anything, the first group that allows it will benefit as the airline itself will grow and have additional demand. Actually, the 76-seat regional jets did reduce mainline opportuni...

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by CriticalPoint
Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

Why can't the scope be based on the number of seats and not MTOW? Because the scope clauses in the collective agreements say so. It's basically contractual but those contracts are very hard negotiated. Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk If an airline is in trouble and enters Chapter 11, that...

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by CriticalPoint
Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1173
Views: 194052

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

I’m a F/A based at JFK, we have precious few who are qualified on the 787, as the aircraft was not planned to operate from New York until 2023 or so, when the next batch of 789s arrive on the property. The base has been exclusively 777 for the past year and a half, so there are no pilots qualified ...

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by CriticalPoint
Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

Bad comparison, those flights account for less than one percent of commercial flights. Those flights also are high yielding flights unlike the majority of most flights. Here in the states many small cities cannot fill a mainline plane but 65-76 seats work or them. The E-175-2 is one plane that is b...

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by CriticalPoint
Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

Eventually the E175s will need to be replaced. What will be available to replace them? How about the E2 flown by mainline? Would not be profitable at mainline wages. I later edited my post to suggest that as per the Bildisco & Bildisco SCOTUS decision, a company could force a renegotiation on t...

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by CriticalPoint
Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Eventually the E175s will need to be replaced. What will be available to replace them?


How about the E2 flown by mainline?

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by CriticalPoint
Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

I can't imagine any airline flying a 757 with 76 seats, fuel and maintenance costs would wipe out any profit. The E-2 175 is basically the same as the E-175. If both sides would offer some give and take this issue could be resolved. Unions at Eastern held firm and in the end, Eastern was gone. I'm ...

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by CriticalPoint
Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

So the company doesn’t put 76 first class seats in a 757 and have SkyWest fly it. I can't imagine any airline flying a 757 with 76 seats, fuel and maintenance costs would wipe out any profit. The E-2 175 is basically the same as the E-175. If both sides would offer some give and take this issue cou...

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by CriticalPoint
Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

Why can't the scope be based on the number of seats and not MTOW? So the company doesn’t put 76 first class seats in a 757 and have SkyWest fly it. I can't imagine any airline flying a 757 with 76 seats, fuel and maintenance costs would wipe out any profit. The E-2 175 is basically the same as the ...

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by CriticalPoint
Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

The decision here is not mainline vs regional, it is E1.5-175 vs E2-175. Mainline pilots and FA's are just too expensive (salary, work rules and benefits, including very lucrative pensions) to fly 76 seat aircraft. Even at 99 seats mainline crews are too expensive, the financially disastrous tenure...

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by CriticalPoint
Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

Theoretically if you have a pilot fly a 75 seat, 150 seat, and 300 seat aircraft, how much should they be paid? The same at 200K each? Or per seat,100K, 200K, and 400K? Or some average of the two methods, 150K, 200K, and 300K? Thats a damn good point. I am a train engineer in Germany. We (all the t...

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by CriticalPoint
Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

airlineworker wrote:
Why can't the scope be based on the number of seats and not MTOW?


So the company doesn’t put 76 first class seats in a 757 and have SkyWest fly it.

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by CriticalPoint
Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA can only survive for 4 months
Replies: 14
Views: 3221

Re: AA can only survive for 4 months

Blueknows wrote:
What is the October 1st significance


The airlines that take the government Manet cannot involuntarily furlough or involuntarily reduce pay until after September 30th

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by CriticalPoint
Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:03 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why do aviation safety agencies overlook obvious safety deficiencies ?
Replies: 60
Views: 8929

Re: Why do aviation safety agencies overlook obvious safety deficiencies ?

1) Lack of fuel-dumping systems on small aircraft, especially the business-jets and even on the RJs and narrowbody airliners like A320-family and 737-family. Last year I went on a A321neo. Seems like it is dumping fuel . Have a look a this picture (sorry for the bad quality as I was seating on the ...

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by CriticalPoint
Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

Good points. The mainline airlines are about to furlough a chunk of pilots. The pilots might give up something to keep jobs, they will have an allergy to losing more jobs. As you note, the number if allowed RJs are tied to the number of parent airline jets. So now there is surplus. The other wrench...

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by CriticalPoint
Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

It would be awesome to have the E2 at mainline. Why not offer to fly it at a reasonable rate? The union obviously isny bargaining in good faith or you would have it. You can't expect 737/A320 pay for a regional jet. I agree it would be great. What makes you think the Union isn’t bargaining in good ...

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by CriticalPoint
Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

This pandemic may just save the E2. Airlines will have the upper hand over labor. Management isn’t even close to having the upper hand. Only in Bankrupt will they have the upper hand. My vote and the vote of 13,000 other pilots is what counts. It would be awesome to have the E2 at mainline. Why not...

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by CriticalPoint
Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

TTailedTiger wrote:
This pandemic may just save the E2. Airlines will have the upper hand over labor.


Management isn’t even close to having the upper hand. Only in Bankrupt will they have the upper hand. My vote and the vote of 13,000 other pilots is what counts.

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by CriticalPoint
Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses
Replies: 434
Views: 36646

Re: Embraer hopes E175-E2 jet efficiency helps modify scope clauses

I will NOT vote to relax scope. in 2008 United pilots spent 5 years on the street so other airlines could fly our passengers.....F that I hope all regionals go away and we hire their pilots to fly mainline jets.

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by CriticalPoint
Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020
Replies: 542
Views: 99637

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Currently on AA1228 (MIA-LAX) operated by a 77W. A grand total of 21pax onboard. Came in on AA1314 LAX-MIA a couple of days ago, also operated by a 77W with a load of about 32pax. Heading home and after a bunch of flights the last 2 weeks I am finally on my last flight for the coming weeks. Will be...

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by CriticalPoint
Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 3158
Views: 546755

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Why wouldn’t they just fly a 737-700 to FRA instead of a wide body and waste so much fuel?


Because it’ll run out of gas........

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by CriticalPoint
Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United will be a smaller carrier - Munoz
Replies: 245
Views: 44309

Re: United will be a smaller carrier - Munoz

Some posters in this thread are still in denial about the global situation. It is unlikely any of those "757 routes" are viable for the next couple years. And yes, they've offered early outs and voluntary leaves but they have NOT offered voluntary early *retirements* or "buy-outs&quo...

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by CriticalPoint
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1173
Views: 194052

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Official, major retirements: AA retiring Aircraft. Earliest 737-800 (qty 76) Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300) 757-200 (qty 34) 767-300ER (qty 16) E-190 (qty 20) https://onemileatatime.com/american-airlines-retiring-737-a330/ Several types permanently retired. :cry2: Lightsaber Any indication that Delta...

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by CriticalPoint
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1173
Views: 194052

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Official, major retirements: AA retiring Aircraft. Earliest 737-800 (qty 76) Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300) 757-200 (qty 34) 767-300ER (qty 16) E-190 (qty 20) https://onemileatatime.com/american-airlines-retiring-737-a330/ Several types permanently retired. :cry2: Lightsaber Any indication that Delta...

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by CriticalPoint
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Sending 777s to SEA This Summer?
Replies: 22
Views: 5068

Re: United Sending 777s to SEA This Summer?

That was the plan........before the Zombie Apocalypse......the 777’s we’re going to be flying ALOT of 1 off domestic routes and this was one.

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by CriticalPoint
Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 3158
Views: 546755

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

More stored aircraft. All 764s appear are parked or stored. 9 in ROW. Many 763s in IAH, plus 4 in ROW storage 10 772s in ROW storage 9 of 10 752PWs in ROW storage. N596UA been in SFO since 3/21 Parking locations: SFO, ORD, DEN, IAH, IAD, EWR, MCO, GUM, HNL, MSY, MIA, TPA, SAT, CLE, AUS, BOX, FLL, L...

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by CriticalPoint
Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 3158
Views: 546755

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

More stored aircraft. All 764s appear are parked or stored. 9 in ROW. Many 763s in IAH, plus 4 in ROW storage 10 772s in ROW storage 9 of 10 752PWs in ROW storage. N596UA been in SFO since 3/21 Parking locations: SFO, ORD, DEN, IAH, IAD, EWR, MCO, GUM, HNL, MSY, MIA, TPA, SAT, CLE, AUS, BOX, FLL, L...

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by CriticalPoint
Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II
Replies: 1993
Views: 337661

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

I don;t know why US airlines are continuing these domestic flights, consolidate to 1/2 flights per day on trunk routes, can the rest. The US will follow Europe and be forced in to a complete lockdown imminently anyway, so stop the spread now and halt flights where possible. The past 10 days I have ...

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by CriticalPoint
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Project Sunrise Approved - Pilot Agreement or Not
Replies: 376
Views: 56456

Re: Project Sunrise Approved - Pilot Agreement or Not

Actually we are being told LHR-SYD direct flights are only viable if passengers, airplane manufacturers and airline employees make financial concessions. Whether or not that is accurate is up for debate. One point of interest: This suggests QF is using this opportunity to squeeze a concession out o...

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by CriticalPoint
Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: HA To Cancel most Longhaul Flying
Replies: 34
Views: 7048

Re: RUMOR - HA To Cancel All Mainland Flying

Is Hawaii actually enforcing the quarantine? Just for the hell of it I checked the Sheraton Waikiki, and they are most definitely willing to sell me a room for tomorrow. And AA has plenty of cheap fares in F. So I know HI's governor has announced this quarantine, but is it actually being enforced? ...

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by CriticalPoint
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: HA To Cancel most Longhaul Flying
Replies: 34
Views: 7048

Re: RUMOR - HA To Cancel All Mainland Flying

Just a question, will HA continue to operate the 332 to the west coast for cargo shipments to the islands? Yes.....No.....Maybe....... Who knows anymore this situation has spiraled so far out of control at this point we are all either going to be dead or homeless.....no one can afford what’s happen...

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by CriticalPoint
Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: HA To Cancel most Longhaul Flying
Replies: 34
Views: 7048

Re: RUMOR - HA To Cancel All Mainland Flying

BravoOne wrote:
Probably just another "opportunity" for the likes of SWA?


Yeah an opportunity for SW to end all Hawaiian flying.....no is going to fly to Hawaii to sit 14 days in a hotel room.

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by CriticalPoint
Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA777 performs a 360 at 40,000ft
Replies: 11
Views: 7226

Re: BA777 performs a 360 at 40,000ft

You can’t enter Shanwick oceanic unless you have a clearance. Based on the location it looks like they didn’t have a clearance or needed spacing. That’s almost exactly where Shanwick Oceanic starts..

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by CriticalPoint
Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 3158
Views: 546755

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

OK, on the United Fleet Site, I've put together a Parked Aircraft Spreadsheet. (disregard the name, the link is correct) Per usual, if anyone sees errors or has sgestions you can DM me or reply on thread. https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/polaris-update I'll try to keep it updated - it ...

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by CriticalPoint
Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1173
Views: 194052

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

AAlaxfan wrote:
Can / should AA and other carriers use this time for heavy checks even if the aircraft isn't due yet?


With what money?

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by CriticalPoint
Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:48 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Question about vertical separation
Replies: 12
Views: 1867

Re: Question about vertical separation

Was just watching flight aware around LAS out of curiosity about current tower situation. It looked like a WN flight to STL and a SKW flight had only about 4,000 feet of vertical separation. I realize that flight aware lines are not precise down to the last inch (obviously) but I’m curious whether ...

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by CriticalPoint
Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Compass Airlines Shutting Down
Replies: 59
Views: 12677

Re: Compass Airlines Shutting Down

The Regional carriers are going to need to find a new business model going forward. That will be something major carriers can fix in bankruptcy with the power of unilateral contract rejection. Since the major airline is taking all the risk, the costs are paid for the capacity regardless of what hap...

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by CriticalPoint
Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Compass Airlines Shutting Down
Replies: 59
Views: 12677

Re: Compass Airlines Shutting Down

The Regional carriers are going to need to find a new business model going forward. Yeah. Like operating under their OWN colors and running a business instead of a taxi service. That^^^^^^. Transparency for the customer as well. It worked well in the past. You knew you had gotten off of Delta, Unit...

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by CriticalPoint
Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Compass Airlines Shutting Down
Replies: 59
Views: 12677

Re: Compass Airlines Shutting Down

The Regional carriers are going to need to find a new business model going forward. Agreed there is no better time than now for the Major airlines to bring the 76 seat jets in house. The true problem with COAs is raising its ugly head. The Majors want to PEK planes but have to pay the regional rega...

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by CriticalPoint
Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aviation sector unpaid leaves and layoffs thread
Replies: 202
Views: 33197

Re: Airlines unpaid leaves and layoffs thread

With regards to furloughing, bases do not matter. the only thing that is considered during a furlough is seniority. The #1 person picks where he wants to go, then #2 next and then down the line until they run out of musical chairs and the people who are left standing when the music stops are furlou...

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by CriticalPoint
Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aviation sector unpaid leaves and layoffs thread
Replies: 202
Views: 33197

Re: Airlines unpaid leaves and layoffs thread.

The resulting gap is partly filled in by the government, but depending on ongoing talks, either fully OR 70% of the amount you would get when unemployed (which is 1500 euro net per month in this case). 1500 euro net seems enough to survive in Netherlands. I am sure a lot of people live with less mo...

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