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by Midwestindy
Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Absolutely baffling that the state would shut down the one highway going directly from the airport to downtown Indy........at the exact same time 65,000 people are coming into the city.... Hard to see how shutting down the entire interstate for a whole week was the only option they thought was feasi...

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by Midwestindy
Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: (Rumor) FI not returning to MCI in 2020?
Replies: 25
Views: 3826

Re: (Rumor) FI not returning to MCI in 2020?

TATL PDEW from MCI is over 370 so demand is obviously there. Perhaps FI just wasn't the best fit. Any chance MCI could interest BA, Condor, DL or even Aer Lingus (not sure if the A321NEO has the range)? Cerner and Garmin alone could probably fill the premium cabin. If IND and CVG have service then ...

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by Midwestindy
Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: (Rumor) FI not returning to MCI in 2020?
Replies: 25
Views: 3826

Re: (Rumor) FI not returning to MCI in 2020?

TATL PDEW from MCI is over 370 so demand is obviously there. Perhaps FI just wasn't the best fit. Any chance MCI could interest BA, Condor, DL or even Aer Lingus (not sure if the A321NEO has the range)? Cerner and Garmin alone could probably fill the premium cabin. If IND and CVG have service then ...

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by Midwestindy
Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 415
Views: 49985

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

The Nov/Dec schedule didn't come out until after the MAX was grounded (and apparently, getting rid of the 700's had been know for a while). Do you think they had enough confidence to put all those planes into the schedule? As I have mentioned before, WN and the rest of the airlines weren't expectin...

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by Midwestindy
Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 979
Views: 121440

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Should the airline offer to serve Cleveland, we should certainly accept, however I don’t think it’s an airline our airport should persue. For year-round business oriented service to work in Cleveland it has to be on a full service carrier to a larger, MAINLAND European hub. CLE should focus efforts...

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by Midwestindy
Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN to close EWR
Replies: 270
Views: 33894

Re: WN to close EWR

It's also rumored that the perimeter rule my be relaxed or eliminated after the airport is redone.This will no doubt help WN expand it's presence at LGA. That's an ENORMOUS if I would have expected to see IAD or ISP close first. Then you haven't flown from either stations. I'm yet to fly on WN flig...

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by Midwestindy
Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 979
Views: 121440

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/80162-us-businesswoman-outlines-plans-to-resurrect-wow-air ... says WOW will be operating again and plans to serve the destinations it previously served plus IAD. Well, maybe ... Not to nitpick, but this is what she said: " Destinations would be similar ...

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by Midwestindy
Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 415
Views: 49985

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

2) The strategy worked perfectly in March/April March/April was a completely different ball game: At that point they basically only had to cover for the 34 MAX planes they had. For Nov/Dec they have to cover for the 34 MAX planes, plus the 30-40 or so MAX planes they expected to have delivered, and...

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by Midwestindy
Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 415
Views: 49985

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

2) The strategy worked perfectly in March/April March/April was a completely different ball game: At that point they basically only had to cover for the 34 MAX planes they had. For Nov/Dec they have to cover for the 34 MAX planes, plus the 30-40 or so MAX planes they expected to have delivered, and...

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by Midwestindy
Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN to close EWR
Replies: 270
Views: 33894

Re: WN to close EWR

News is reporting that EWR will be closing as part of the WN network due to delays with the MAX. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/25/southwest-air-to-pull-out-of-newark-after-taking-a-growth-hit-from-the-boeing-737-max-grounding.html FLY Yes, they are closing EWR, however to say it’s because of the the...

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN to close EWR
Replies: 270
Views: 33894

Re: WN to close EWR

Grounding of MAX makes them make decision on how/where to use aircraft, hence the dropping of EWR. So here's another MAX casualty. I have to disagree here with your over-simplified analysis. As others have pointed out, if EWR were actually profitable and not such a strain on the operation, WN most ...

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN to close EWR
Replies: 270
Views: 33894

Re: WN to close EWR

One factor that nobody has mentioned They got 6 LGA slots from AS this year. Four have already been delivered Two come in Dec off a lease from B6. That is a pretty substantial increase in capacity for southwest at LaGuardia year-over-year They must feel it is enough Exactly. Since WN isn’t a huge p...

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 415
Views: 49985

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Where are the other cuts? WN said they took the MAX out through the end of their current schedule, but I haven't found any other cuts other than EWR, and I highly doubt EWR is the only place where they have to reduce their flying. As of about 3 hours ago the MAXs were still in the schedule. So we w...

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 415
Views: 49985

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Where are the other cuts? WN said they took the MAX out through the end of their current schedule, but I haven't found any other cuts other than EWR, and I highly doubt EWR is the only place where they have to reduce their flying. There are actually some WN nonstop routes temporarily dropped due to...

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 415
Views: 49985

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Where are the other cuts? WN said they took the MAX out through the end of their current schedule, but I haven't found any other cuts other than EWR, and I highly doubt EWR is the only place where they have to reduce their flying.

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN to close EWR
Replies: 270
Views: 33894

Re: WN to close EWR

Let us not forget Southwest has previously retreated from some large markets/mega hubs in the including DEN, IAH and SFO. They don't serve DFW, MIA or ORD. I'd hardly say the sky is falling because EWR is being dropped in favor of a higher priority market. *clears throat* …..you do realize which WN...

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN to close EWR
Replies: 270
Views: 33894

Re: WN to close EWR

So per WN's EWR Nov schedule for 2019 as of yesterday:
5x EWR-MDW
3x EWR-BNA
2x EWR-DEN
2x EWR-BWI
2x EWR-STL
2x EWR-AUS
1x EWR-OAK
1x EWR-SAN
1x EWR-PHX

Cuts off their ability to serve NYC from OAK, SAN, PHX

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 415
Views: 49985

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Is this the end for an all 737 fleet at WN? Do you think going forward they’ll add a different fleet type? No and no. What are they going to do to fill the gap until the MAX comes back online then? It ain’t coming back this year at this rate. I think we'll hear tomorrow from the horse's mouse what ...

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 415
Views: 49985

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

It’s true I’m afraid. I’ve already seen the first 2 ex FL -700’s already on the retirement schedule. First one leaves in August and the second one leaves in September. I can’t see past September, but expect to see more in October. I'm sure they are praying that the MAX will return by the Holidays. ...

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by Midwestindy
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Took the IND-CDG flight on 7/11 and it was only about 50% full in economy. Purser greeted us in the boarding area before boarding welcoming us to the "new" flight and encouraged everyone to tell their friends about the flight to keep it going. Delta One went out full. Does anyone know if ...

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by Midwestindy
Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Huh? For one thing Bluegrass and SDFguy are different people Speaking only for me....who in the hell annointed you the Grand Puba of this thread? You have an opinion based on your knowledge/interpretation of the facts of a complicated business. Unless someone is paying you for your advice....suffic...

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by Midwestindy
Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

For comparison here are the numbers for IND's neighboring airports June-December: departures, seats CVG +0.8%, +0.2% PIT -2.3%, +0.3% (Drop driven by J1 exit) STL +2.0%, +4.1% CMH +5.1%, +7.1% CLE +1.9%, +8.1% .....of course SDF somehow didn't make the list of neighboring airports....YTD its' PAX n...

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by Midwestindy
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Ya really do, pal. And it shows. Everything is Max-related and also the fault of Spirit and Frontier? :rotfl: No.. you don't. If you don't think MAX has been a big problem you haven't been paying attention. And the problem people are Frontier and Allegiant. I'm no fan of Spirit but they could help ...

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by Midwestindy
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Airport released May numbers today: https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/iaa-images/reports/05_MAY-Airline-Activity-Report_FINAL.pdf?mtime=20190723165059 May pax +4.3%, YTD +1.9% AA +1.7% AC +8.1% AS -40.0% G4 +7.7% DL +13.0% F9 -7.8% WN -2.5% UA -3.5% 12 month of double digit growth for DL May +13...

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by Midwestindy
Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Vacation Express released their official summer 2020 schedule today, and again as expected IND was not included. At this point it appears that IND could see negative yoy passenger numbers. Surprised that none of the local news outlets have caught on to any of these stories What’s going on? This see...

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by Midwestindy
Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Vacation Express released their official summer 2020 schedule today, and again as expected IND was not included. At this point it appears that IND could see negative yoy passenger numbers.

Surprised that none of the local news outlets have caught on to any of these stories

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by Midwestindy
Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 415
Views: 49985

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Yikes, you might want to delete that post There are some former or current Boeing 737 operators such as AS, AA, DL, U2, F9, and UA that now operate Airbus A320 family aircraft. U2 and F9 now exclusively operate Airbus A320 family and A320neo family aircraft, whereas AS, AA, DL, and UA continue to o...

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by Midwestindy
Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 7/21/2019: AA Reduces MYR;WC Adds DAL;MAX Cuts
Replies: 69
Views: 9096

Re: OAG Changes 7/21/2019: AA Reduces MYR;WC Adds DAL;MAX Cuts

AVL-FLL 3 daily on G4?? It’s a massive local market, I believe it is AVL’s largest O&D market. Asheville is to Miami what Miami is to New York City. It’s where Miamians escape to and own second homes. Easy there cowboy....not a great comparison. AA doesn’t even serve AVL-MIA, and NK doesn’t eve...

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by Midwestindy
Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 415
Views: 49985

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

In addition to the 737 MAX 7 and 737 MAX 8 planes already on order, WN could order some Airbus A320neo planes with CFM LEAP-1A engines to replace some of its 737-700 planes. Having some A320neo's in WN's fleet would lessen the impacts of WN operations in the event that additional issues are discove...

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by Midwestindy
Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

WN in a quick retreat at IND. Quite a retreat I might add, given where their ambition was maybe two years back. Someone is going to smell blood in the water. I am kinda thinking Spirit, if they have the aircraft available. WN went from serving 22 destinations in 2017/2018, its quite impressive how ...

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by Midwestindy
Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How Little Cargo Revenue Really Matters For DL And UA
Replies: 88
Views: 10292

Re: How Little Cargo Revenue Really Matters For DL And UA

It's still a $1.2b revenue stream for UA; fairly consistent through the year but ticks higher in the winter, especially 4Q. 65% of United's passenger revenue is domestic, and there's very little freight in the domestic market (much more economical to ship overland via truck/rail). OTOH, it's more i...

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group
Replies: 160
Views: 18395

Re: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group

The SBN MSA is coming back thanks to an original GRR initiative called Project Propel that encourages local airport use. The airport is showing a 27% increase in enplanements and should serve just about 450,000 passengers this year and that's not even counting any new International service. Airport...

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Southwest update for October: IND-LAX gone for October IND-MDW moved to 1x weekly Sat (1x daily cancelled, 3x daily Sun cancelled) IND-HOU 1x downguage B738-->B737 IND-OAK unsurprisingly gone IND-LAS down to 2x daily, 1x daily on Sat At first, I thought WN buying used B738s to cover for the MAX wou...

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Southwest update for October: IND-LAX gone for October IND-MDW moved to 1x weekly Sat (1x daily cancelled, 3x daily Sun cancelled) IND-HOU 1x downguage B738-->B737 IND-OAK unsurprisingly gone IND-LAS down to 2x daily, 1x daily on Sat Did they just push back the max again or is this the original rel...

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 415
Views: 49985

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Southwest is doing a pretty good job making it look like the MAX groundings aren't affecting them. The reality is much different, from a growth perspective they are heavily boxed in, with all their future growth coming from the MAX. Want to see how management spins this next week, otherwise this see...

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by Midwestindy
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Southwest update for October:

IND-LAX gone for October
IND-MDW moved to 1x weekly Sat (1x daily cancelled, 3x daily Sun cancelled)
IND-HOU 1x downguage B738-->B737
IND-OAK unsurprisingly gone
IND-LAS down to 2x daily, 1x daily on Sat

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by Midwestindy
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group
Replies: 160
Views: 18395

Re: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group

JAX and RIC would be my top two picks as an A321 Neo LR can reach both cities, each has a strong Corporate presence, and both airports are growing rapidly in term of pax traffic. Colonial Williamsburg, Busch Gardens, Jamestown are all 40 miles from RIC. JAX has a lot of tourist options down the coa...

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by Midwestindy
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

It sucks Allegiant hasn't grown more from IND. You would think they could run 5X weekly atleast to LAS. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk It's about aircraft time, they hardly run LAS-East of the Mississippi more than 3-4x weekly. G4's staffing model makes it hard to run Transcontinental flights...

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by Midwestindy
Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What’s happening at BHM?
Replies: 53
Views: 4319

Re: What’s happening at BHM?

I smell the F9 dartboard

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by Midwestindy
Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

It sucks Allegiant hasn't grown more from IND. You would think they could run 5X weekly atleast to LAS. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk It's about aircraft time, they hardly run LAS-East of the Mississippi more than 3-4x weekly. G4's staffing model makes it hard to run Transcontinental flights...

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by Midwestindy
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Dang, 56.7% for IND-CDG. I get that its shoulder season, but that flight was operating 3X week. I suppose the saving grace is the return %age, which I assume was largely dictated by those returning from holidays in Europe. To be honest, I actually think that wasn't as bad as I expected, January out...

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by Midwestindy
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group
Replies: 160
Views: 18395

Re: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group

Top dozen markets to next get TATL : https://www.aviationplanning.com/monday-update-april-1-2019/ No particular order: ALB, MHT, PVD, GRR, CMH, ORF, RIC, SDF, CVG, MEM, SAV, JAX edit - CVG and PVD already have TATL Traditional Demand Drivers Are Out. The key point is to understand that the new crit...

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by Midwestindy
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group
Replies: 160
Views: 18395

Re: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group

Top dozen markets to next get TATL : https://www.aviationplanning.com/monday-update-april-1-2019/ No particular order: ALB, MHT, PVD, GRR, CMH, ORF, RIC, SDF, CVG, MEM, SAV, JAX edit - CVG and PVD already have TATL Traditional Demand Drivers Are Out. The key point is to understand that the new crit...

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by Midwestindy
Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Dang, 56.7% for IND-CDG. I get that its shoulder season, but that flight was operating 3X week. I suppose the saving grace is the return %age, which I assume was largely dictated by those returning from holidays in Europe. To be honest, I actually think that wasn't as bad as I expected, January out...

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by Midwestindy
Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta’s Hubs
Replies: 30
Views: 4987

Re: Delta’s Hubs

I like how OP arbitrarily picked the top 8 metro areas, given that ATL and BOS are 9 and 10. Population as a whole is a bit arbitrary in general, go down the list of largest CSAs and you will see that population of an area is a bad indicator of OD traffic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_sta...

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by Midwestindy
Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta’s Hubs
Replies: 30
Views: 4987

Re: Delta’s Hubs

Common misconception, size of a city does not determine whether it is more or less premium. You have to look at the industries and corporate travel spend within the city... In fact I’ll go a step further and say that DL having hubs in less competitive markets allows them an advantage in some aspects...

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by Midwestindy
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 796
Views: 102090

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

I think a summer seasonal flight from Aer Lingus would be awesome on a A321XLR I don't know if that would ever happen. I don't think Aer Lingus has a close relationship with AA to tap those FF from AA Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk I'd hope LHR would be next First January 2019 numbers came in...

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by Midwestindy
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 7/7/2019: AA Adds AVL-LGA;B6;DL Adds IAH-JFK,Winter SLC-LHR
Replies: 44
Views: 9190

Re: OAG Changes 7/7/2019: AA Adds AVL-LGA;B6;DL Adds IAH-JFK,Winter SLC-LHR

B6 retaliation *DL IAH-JFK OCT 0>0.3[0] NOV 0>2[0] DEC 0>2[0] JAN 0>2[0] FEB 0>2[0] MAR 0>2[0] APR 0>2[0] lol, DL never misses a chance at B6 retaliation even if they are a secondary player in that market. Per their website, DL is using the A220 on JFK-IAH, which has been their strategy on other hu...

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by Midwestindy
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1070
Views: 111170

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

If any city is willing to offer ridiculous incentives, I am sure a Chinese airline is willing to fly out of there. I wouldn't expect any us airlines or their jv partner to fly out of secondary cities anytime soon. China is a different beast, lIRC there are an extremely limited number of exemptions ...

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by Midwestindy
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1070
Views: 111170

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

As we have learned from the recent European additions, population size/growth and PDEW don't always tell the whole story. Other factors such as having a strong, diverse economy, strong business ties, tier one universities, etc, play a factor too. BNA had less PDEW to LON than places such as IND, CM...

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