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by TurboJet707
Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: An unfair comparison II - DC-7 vs. CV-880 vs. A220-100
Replies: 24
Views: 4149

Re: An unfair comparison II - DC-7 vs. CV-880 vs. A220-100

Thanks, that's a very interesting exercise. Some people may question the use of it, but I think it's a good and funny way to put things into perspective. That CV880 fuel burn is really frightening :shock: I wonder how this would compare in absolute terms with a modern large widebody like, let's say,...

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by TurboJet707
Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AMS reach max. flights, 3rd A380 gate opens end of january
Replies: 59
Views: 8844

Re: AMS reach max. flights, 3rd A380 gate opens end of january

Airport expansion is always an option, either at hubs like AMS/BRU/DUS or perhaps give opportunity to smaller ones like EIN. Well, probably not in this case. Netherlands is a very densely populated country (17,3 million inhabitants) and there's currently a big discussion going on about CO2 reductio...

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by TurboJet707
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:51 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Every Lufthansa 747-400 livery
Replies: 14
Views: 3513

Re: Every Lufthansa 747-400 livery

Interesting topic. I'm actually a bit surprised to see that no LH 744 has ever flown in the older livery with the cheatline, the black nose cone and the larger 'Spiegelei' on the tail, like on this 747-230B: 1646155 I didn't realise that the now outgoing livery was introduced that long ago. Anyway, ...

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by TurboJet707
Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?
Replies: 111
Views: 18791

Re: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?

Thanks SEPilot. It is indeed not true that all 803 KC-135s had been ordered before the 707 first flew, but in 1955, the USAF had already ordered 279 tankers from Boeing. At that time, only the 367-80 had flown (July 1954); the first 'proper' 707 didn't make its first flight before December 1957, eig...

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by TurboJet707
Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?
Replies: 111
Views: 18791

Re: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?

I think Lockheed’s issue with this generation of jets stems from the tanker project. They actually WON the competition and the 717/KC-135 was only adopted as the interim tanker till the Lockheed model was ready. With hindsight, this must indeed have been one of the most decisive moments in aviation...

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by TurboJet707
Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?
Replies: 111
Views: 18791

Re: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?

Although the air intakes sat on top all four of the nacelles of the non-fan -120s and -320s as well as the -420s, there were still only three turbo compressors, nothing on engine 1. As you note, American had only two turbo compressors on (most of) its -123Bs and -323B/Cs. Most airlines stuck with t...

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by TurboJet707
Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?
Replies: 111
Views: 18791

Re: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?

Re: 707 and stability: Previous a.net discussions pointed me to a great interview series: The D. P. Davies Interview on testing the Comets, Boeing 707, Britannia & Brabazon. “The test pilots’ test pilot”, former CAA Chief Test Pilot D. P. Davies talks frankly about the civil aircraft that he pu...

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by TurboJet707
Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?
Replies: 111
Views: 18791

Re: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?

I have never seen a passenger 707 with less than three (...) Also this one -- think it's actually a 720B with an HF antenna? https://www.flickr.com/photos/xsacman/6781444504/in/album-72157630441866582/ The caption on the 2nd photo is correct: 707-123B. American's 720Bs did not have HF antennas. Thi...

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by TurboJet707
Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?
Replies: 111
Views: 18791

Re: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?

I like to bring up this photo when a 707(720) is compared to a 737NG. Fuselage length may be similar, but a 707-100 is like a 737-800 with 767 wings! That's a nice way to put it, and the picture clearly shows the difference. By comparison, the 707's wings are indeed massive. Yet, neither the 737 no...

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by TurboJet707
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?
Replies: 111
Views: 18791

Re: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?

I have a fascinating old Dutch book about jet airliners that was published in 1961. The author quotes the AA chairman who says that AA take a long, hard look at both the 707 and the DC8, but that the earlier availability of the 707 was indeed decisive, after Boeing decided to widen the original cabi...

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by TurboJet707
Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Elderly couple kicked off of KLM AMS-MAD flight
Replies: 86
Views: 11799

Re: Elderly couple kicked off of KLM AMS-MAD flight

76er wrote:
I'd call BS on that.


:checkmark: :checkmark:

There must have been more to it than just not being able to understand each other. That in itself can never a reason to send pax off a plane. I have a feeling that the complaining passenger 'conveniently forgot' to tell the whole story.

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by TurboJet707
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:45 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: "Vanity Plates" for Aircraft?
Replies: 57
Views: 5671

Re: "Vanity Plates" for Aircraft?

An early example was the corporate jet that the Dutch Philips company acquired in 1967: it was given the registration PH-LPS.



The first DC8 that was delivered to KLM got PH-DCA for DC Acht (=Eight). That was in 1959.

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by TurboJet707
Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any pics of El Al retro 70th Anniversary 787-9?
Replies: 36
Views: 12649

Re: Any pics of El Al retro 70th Anniversary 787-9?

That is simply great! Ok, I think the later two-tone blue cheatline livery would have looked even better but this is still wonderful! To me, the best looking 787 out there. I love the bold BOEING 787 DREAMLINER script on the front and the classic black dot on the radome too, which makes the nose loo...

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by TurboJet707
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hi Fly unveil A380 Coral Reef livery
Replies: 56
Views: 14105

Re: Hi Fly unveil A380 Coral Reef livery

It looks like the starboard side is painted in a different colour: https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/6/15953_1531985371.jpg https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/6/71550_1531985704.jpg Personally, I think it's far from ugly, especially the darker blue on the starboard side, and it's good to see a new livery o...

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by TurboJet707
Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any pics of El Al retro 70th Anniversary 787-9?
Replies: 36
Views: 12649

Re: Any pics of El Al retro 70th Anniversary 787-9?

Or perhaps this livery?

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by TurboJet707
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any pics of El Al retro 70th Anniversary 787-9?
Replies: 36
Views: 12649

Re: Any pics of El Al retro 70th Anniversary 787-9?

Ah, thanks Polot. So the best is yet to come!
I guess it will be painted in these colours?

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by TurboJet707
Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any pics of El Al retro 70th Anniversary 787-9?
Replies: 36
Views: 12649

Re: Any pics of El Al retro 70th Anniversary 787-9?

Any chance that the two-tone blue cheatline will be applied as well? That would be lovely.
It would be a bit disappointing if the plane were to remain all-white except for this nice classic blue tail.

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by TurboJet707
Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:57 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: TriJet engine question.
Replies: 21
Views: 3082

Re: TriJet engine question.

Most trijets have three engines of the same type. However, there was a modification available on the Boeing 727 where the no. 1 and no. 3 engine were replaced by a more powerful and quieter type, but the centre engine remained the same (as there was insufficient space for the bigger engine in the ta...

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by TurboJet707
Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:45 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: TriJet engine question.
Replies: 21
Views: 3082

Re: TriJet engine question.

The same reason wing mounted engines are ever so slightly, toed-in toward the fuselage; as the air goes around the plane, it doesn’t parallel the plane, it splits (think of the v shaped wake waves a boat makes going through the water). On some 3 holders (DC-10/MD-11) it was found that that air “arc...

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by TurboJet707
Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220
Replies: 217
Views: 33669

Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Sorry, but when I clicked on the link, I only saw: Airbus A220-300 new member of the airbus Single aisle Family The A220 Family is the newest addition to the Airbus product line-up; The aircraft are fully optimized for the 100 to 150 seat market and perfectly complement Airbus’ existing best-selling...

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by TurboJet707
Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220
Replies: 217
Views: 33669

Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Official Airbus release: https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2018/07/airbus-introduces-the-a220-100-and-a220-300.html And not a single word about the Bombardier heritage. It reads like Airbus developed the plane themselves, and as if the 'A220' was suddenly just there, like magic.

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by TurboJet707
Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220
Replies: 217
Views: 33669

Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Seriously, if a stretch model of the A220-300 is launched, it could be named A220-400. Or -600, Airbus seems to like that one :P Hopefully not -800, the so called lucky number 8 is quite the opposite! (A380-800, 787-8, 747-8, A330-800 - none have proven to be a success) And don't forget the Convair...

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by TurboJet707
Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220
Replies: 217
Views: 33669

Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Boeing planes even outside of the 7x7 series have traditionally ended with a 7. Except, of course, the B720. I think it's a shame the name "Bombardier C-Series" disappears. Good that Airbus saved the programme by stepping in, and the A220 will remain the same good-looking little plane as ...

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by TurboJet707
Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aeroflot TU-104 next to UA DC-7: where?
Replies: 10
Views: 3211

Re: Aeroflot TU-104 next to UA DC-7: where?

Thanks for linking to the picture, wonderful! I think the Tu-104 is one of the sharpest-looking jetliners of all time, especially from this angle. The unusual (for passenger aircraft, at least) anhedral effect of the wings is easy to see. The picture has symbolic value too. Compared to the sleek and...

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by TurboJet707
Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa Reveals Why It Dropped Yellow From Its Livery (Interview)
Replies: 179
Views: 32847

Re: Lufthansa Reveals Why It Dropped Yellow From Its Livery (Interview)

MD-11 also has a small tail section, due to the engine: Yes, the vertical stabilizer itself is relatively small, but the entire tail construction is quite big when you include the no. 2 engine, it's the most eyecatching part of the plane. I estimate the LH Cargo MD11 is 85% white and 15% blue (so i...

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by TurboJet707
Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa Reveals Why It Dropped Yellow From Its Livery (Interview)
Replies: 179
Views: 32847

Re: Lufthansa Reveals Why It Dropped Yellow From Its Livery (Interview)

Anyone has some news about re-painted A346s? Can't wait to see it in the new livery. :-) Hmmm yes, that will indeed be interesting. The A346 has a relatively small tail, so 99% of the plane will be white, white, white. The new LH 'livery' works best on planes with relatively large tail sections, li...

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by TurboJet707
Sat May 26, 2018 9:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cubana using IL96 to YYZ
Replies: 32
Views: 8151

Re: Cubana using IL96 to YYZ

There are even nice videos: https://youtu.be/BInRyFEmRwM https://youtu.be/E-0oigoXUaE Thanks! Is that cool or what? I think it's awesome that such rare aircraft can still be seen every now and then. Yes, I know, I know, the IL-96 is not the most economic plane but as an aviation enthusiast, I feel ...

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by TurboJet707
Sat May 26, 2018 11:09 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline livery you miss the most
Replies: 166
Views: 10424

Re: Airline livery you miss the most

artof wrote:
Equatoriana "psychedelic" from the 70's


Yeah, thanks for bringing that up, that was a wonderful series of liveries indeed!



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by TurboJet707
Wed May 23, 2018 1:38 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airports With Highest Proportion of Transit Pax
Replies: 46
Views: 7874

Re: Airports With Highest Proportion of Transit Pax

AMS also has a high percentage of transfer passengers; 37% of the 68,5M passengers in 2017 transited through AMS.
Netherlands is a small country (although densely populated) so AMS, which is Europe's 2nd or 3rd biggest airport, has relatively few O&D passengers.

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by TurboJet707
Sat May 19, 2018 6:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Austrian Airlines Brand Refresh and New Livery
Replies: 64
Views: 15290

Re: Austrian Airlines Brand Refresh and New Livery

Not bad, still eurowhite but better balanced than LH's new livery, thanks to the large titles at the front.

I always liked the ice-blue engines. With the red and white, the blue made up for a unique and recognisable combination. They would suit this livery very well too :-)

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by TurboJet707
Fri May 18, 2018 2:30 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline livery you miss the most
Replies: 166
Views: 10424

Re: Airline livery you miss the most

I already head my turn, but I got to think of this old AZ livery which was already replaced before I was born, so I can't say I really "miss" it, but I think it's absolutely gorgeous:







And I forgot the Braniff 'Jellybeans'!

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by TurboJet707
Fri May 18, 2018 10:58 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline livery you miss the most
Replies: 166
Views: 10424

Re: Airline livery you miss the most

Like most people here, I really miss the BA Landor livery from the 80s (although I do like the current livery) 0413590 Perhaps I'm in a minority here, but I also really miss UA's blue tulip livery. One of the best liveries they had, to my eyes at least. It shows that classic, modern and fresh needn'...

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by TurboJet707
Wed May 16, 2018 7:38 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Dutch government BBJ roll out.
Replies: 16
Views: 2551

Re: Dutch government BBJ roll out.

I much prefer the livery of the outgoing F70, with its orange and blue tail. That is stylish and distinctive. 3945235 This new livery on the 737 looks, well, OK to me, but except from the coat of arms and script, there's nothing to distinguish it as Dutch. Like the current F70 PH-KBX, the plane will...

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by TurboJet707
Tue May 15, 2018 2:33 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Engine Fan Blade Rub
Replies: 26
Views: 4360

Re: Engine Fan Blade Rub

Hmmm, strange, still works fine here. I assume you have Acrobat Reader running on your PC?

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by TurboJet707
Fri May 04, 2018 2:33 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Engine Fan Blade Rub
Replies: 26
Views: 4360

Re: Engine Fan Blade Rub

This was actually a big problem with the early PW JT9D engines on the 747-100 and it caused many delays in delivery of the 747. At some point, resulted in thirty aircraft being parked outside the Everett factory with concrete blocks hanging from the pylons, awaiting redesigned engines: https://www.p...

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by TurboJet707
Thu May 03, 2018 3:07 pm
Forum: Aviation Hobby
Topic: What got you into aviation?
Replies: 52
Views: 11701

Re: What got you into aviation?

It must have been around 40 years ago, but I can remember this moment like it was last week: when I was like 8 or 9 years old, my parents took me to Schiphol (AMS) airport, only 25 km from our home, to wave goodbye to friends or family who went on holiday to Portugal. Through an airbridge they stepp...

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by TurboJet707
Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:36 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: The most beautiful airplane ever built?
Replies: 104
Views: 9122

Re: The most beautiful airplane ever built?

I already nominated the Sud Caravelle and Convair CV880 here, but I thought that the Tupolev Tu-104/124 deserve a mention here as well: 1419903,1113097 Very beautiful aircraft in my eyes, and historically significant too, as the Tu-104 preceded the 707 and DC8 by quite some time, and they were the f...

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by TurboJet707
Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:45 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: The most beautiful airplane ever built?
Replies: 104
Views: 9122

Re: The most beautiful airplane ever built?

Difficult question for me. I've already seen very beautiful and impressive aircraft mentioned, like the Concorde, SAAB Draken, 747-8i and MD-11. I love the flowing lines and swept wings of the 747, the brutal nose of the DC10 and MD11, the sleek lines of the Concorde, but for me, it's gotta be the C...

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by TurboJet707
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SkyBus Jet Cargo DC-8 Fleet
Replies: 10
Views: 2124

Re: SkyBus Jet Cargo DC-8 Fleet

Considering that oil is getting stupidly expensive, wont the DC-8 cost a fortune to fly? I love the planes and all, but I guess I don’t understand the concept of using a DC-8 for cargo ops in 2018... These DC8s were re-engined with modern high-bypass fans, making them much more economic to operate....

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by TurboJet707
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:01 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: 747 Classics as of 2018
Replies: 12
Views: 2466

Re: 747 Classics as of 2018

Feel like the 747 classics have died off quicker than say the 727. 10-11 years ago MIA was full of classic 747s. My all time favorite airplane. :checkmark: Just like here at AMS. One moment the classics were still a common sight, with several classic freighters flying in and out every day, and the ...

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by TurboJet707
Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: McDonnell 220
Replies: 84
Views: 12458

Re: McDonnell 220

Oh, it's a quad! Yuck! Totally inefficient! Bad CASM! Bad, bad, bad airplane! Think about the poor shareholders! Scrap it immediately! Signed, typical modern day a-netter. :checkmark: :checkmark: Sometimes it seems like there's more enthusiasm for efficiency than for aviation among a part of today'...

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by TurboJet707
Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Middle East Airlines (MEA) decision next month: Airbus A330-900neo or Boeing 787-9
Replies: 54
Views: 9245

Re: Middle East Airlines (MEA) decision next month: Airbus A330-900neo or Boeing 787-9

I don’t see an airline from Lebanon ordering American aircraft. Well you are wrong because wings of lebanon operates a couple of boeing 737s and MEA used to operate 707s and 747s... And then there were those gorgeous " TMA of Lebanon " 707 freighters. These were frequent visitors to AMS d...

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by TurboJet707
Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked
Replies: 155
Views: 33390

Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

If this does turn out to be the livery what a shame. They should go back to the 1980 livery with a modern facelift. This was one of the entries in the contest and is closest to what you have suggested. http://oi64.tinypic.com/5162dw.jpg I really like this. Classic and modern at the same time. Well ...

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by TurboJet707
Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked
Replies: 155
Views: 33390

Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Too messy for me. The Markhor on the tail and engines looks OK, but the flag is applied in a clumsy way. I don't like the 'PIA' font either, this will look outdated rather quickly.

There are too many elements screaming for attention: the flag, the letters 'PIA', the Arabic script, and the markhor.

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by TurboJet707
Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DC-8-52/E190 similarity in appearance
Replies: 6
Views: 1807

Re: DC-8-52/E190 similarity in appearance

Well spotted!



One is a short-haul regional jet, the other used to be the long-haul flagship of many airlines during the 60s but still, there are indeed many similarities.
I like them both.

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by TurboJet707
Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LH A350 New Colors - Hideous!
Replies: 264
Views: 35730

Re: LH A350 New Colors - Hideous!

They are probably just 5 to 10 years ahead of the curve, but get used to it, it is the future of aircraft livere. If we think the new LH livery is 'fresh and modern' in 2018, the future of liveries, imagine what a shockwave this DC9 must have caused 26 years ago: 4927499 This fresh and modern liver...

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by TurboJet707
Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LH A350 New Colors - Hideous!
Replies: 264
Views: 35730

Re: LH A350 New Colors - Hideous!

Otherwise, just paint the entire airplane white as it will save even more money AND will look just as good as the new livery. :checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark: From a few hundred feet away, you can't discern the new crane logo anymore and the blue will look like black. Nothing to identify the pla...

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by TurboJet707
Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LH new livery to be ‘revised’ after only three weeks
Replies: 154
Views: 37379

Re: LH new livery to be ‘revised’ after only three weeks

Wow, that MD11 tail looks good to me, and very shiny! Didn't expect that the MD11s would still receive the new livery, they're apparently not on the way out yet. Good news. I'm still not a big fan of the new livery, but on the MD11 this could actually work. Looking forward to seeing the entire aircr...

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by TurboJet707
Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:37 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Boeing 707-320B vs. Airbus 321LR: an unfair comparison.
Replies: 34
Views: 4347

Re: Boeing 707-320B vs. Airbus 321LR: an unfair comparison.

Paint a 60-year old 707 in a modern livery and roll it up to a gate: I expect that only a small minority of the waiting passenger would notice that something is different ("Hey look, it has four engines!"). Try that with a 1958 car... 0435133 Takeoff noise would show a definite difference...

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by TurboJet707
Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:22 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Boeing 707-320B vs. Airbus 321LR: an unfair comparison.
Replies: 34
Views: 4347

Re: Boeing 707-320B vs. Airbus 321LR: an unfair comparison.

That's a very interesting exercise. The 707 and DC8 were called 'giants of the sky' when they were new. Nowadays, the A321, which has more or less the same dimensions, as the OP shows, is considered a relatively small plane. While there have been important improvements in engine technology (the 707'...

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