Thanks, that's a very interesting exercise. Some people may question the use of it, but I think it's a good and funny way to put things into perspective. That CV880 fuel burn is really frightening :shock: I wonder how this would compare in absolute terms with a modern large widebody like, let's say,...Jump to post
Airport expansion is always an option, either at hubs like AMS/BRU/DUS or perhaps give opportunity to smaller ones like EIN. Well, probably not in this case. Netherlands is a very densely populated country (17,3 million inhabitants) and there's currently a big discussion going on about CO2 reductio...Jump to post
Interesting topic. I'm actually a bit surprised to see that no LH 744 has ever flown in the older livery with the cheatline, the black nose cone and the larger 'Spiegelei' on the tail, like on this 747-230B: 1646155 I didn't realise that the now outgoing livery was introduced that long ago. Anyway, ...Jump to post
Thanks SEPilot. It is indeed not true that all 803 KC-135s had been ordered before the 707 first flew, but in 1955, the USAF had already ordered 279 tankers from Boeing. At that time, only the 367-80 had flown (July 1954); the first 'proper' 707 didn't make its first flight before December 1957, eig...Jump to post
I think Lockheed’s issue with this generation of jets stems from the tanker project. They actually WON the competition and the 717/KC-135 was only adopted as the interim tanker till the Lockheed model was ready. With hindsight, this must indeed have been one of the most decisive moments in aviation...Jump to post
Although the air intakes sat on top all four of the nacelles of the non-fan -120s and -320s as well as the -420s, there were still only three turbo compressors, nothing on engine 1. As you note, American had only two turbo compressors on (most of) its -123Bs and -323B/Cs. Most airlines stuck with t...Jump to post
Re: 707 and stability: Previous a.net discussions pointed me to a great interview series: The D. P. Davies Interview on testing the Comets, Boeing 707, Britannia & Brabazon. “The test pilots’ test pilot”, former CAA Chief Test Pilot D. P. Davies talks frankly about the civil aircraft that he pu...Jump to post
I have never seen a passenger 707 with less than three (...) Also this one -- think it's actually a 720B with an HF antenna? https://www.flickr.com/photos/xsacman/6781444504/in/album-72157630441866582/ The caption on the 2nd photo is correct: 707-123B. American's 720Bs did not have HF antennas. Thi...Jump to post
I like to bring up this photo when a 707(720) is compared to a 737NG. Fuselage length may be similar, but a 707-100 is like a 737-800 with 767 wings! That's a nice way to put it, and the picture clearly shows the difference. By comparison, the 707's wings are indeed massive. Yet, neither the 737 no...Jump to post
I have a fascinating old Dutch book about jet airliners that was published in 1961. The author quotes the AA chairman who says that AA take a long, hard look at both the 707 and the DC8, but that the earlier availability of the 707 was indeed decisive, after Boeing decided to widen the original cabi...Jump to post
76er wrote:I'd call BS on that.
That is simply great! Ok, I think the later two-tone blue cheatline livery would have looked even better but this is still wonderful! To me, the best looking 787 out there. I love the bold BOEING 787 DREAMLINER script on the front and the classic black dot on the radome too, which makes the nose loo...Jump to post
It looks like the starboard side is painted in a different colour: https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/6/15953_1531985371.jpg https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/6/71550_1531985704.jpg Personally, I think it's far from ugly, especially the darker blue on the starboard side, and it's good to see a new livery o...Jump to post
Or perhaps this livery?
Ah, thanks Polot. So the best is yet to come!
I guess it will be painted in these colours?
Any chance that the two-tone blue cheatline will be applied as well? That would be lovely.
It would be a bit disappointing if the plane were to remain all-white except for this nice classic blue tail.
Most trijets have three engines of the same type. However, there was a modification available on the Boeing 727 where the no. 1 and no. 3 engine were replaced by a more powerful and quieter type, but the centre engine remained the same (as there was insufficient space for the bigger engine in the ta...Jump to post
The same reason wing mounted engines are ever so slightly, toed-in toward the fuselage; as the air goes around the plane, it doesn’t parallel the plane, it splits (think of the v shaped wake waves a boat makes going through the water). On some 3 holders (DC-10/MD-11) it was found that that air “arc...Jump to post
Sorry, but when I clicked on the link, I only saw: Airbus A220-300 new member of the airbus Single aisle Family The A220 Family is the newest addition to the Airbus product line-up; The aircraft are fully optimized for the 100 to 150 seat market and perfectly complement Airbus’ existing best-selling...Jump to post
Official Airbus release: https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2018/07/airbus-introduces-the-a220-100-and-a220-300.html And not a single word about the Bombardier heritage. It reads like Airbus developed the plane themselves, and as if the 'A220' was suddenly just there, like magic.Jump to post
Seriously, if a stretch model of the A220-300 is launched, it could be named A220-400. Or -600, Airbus seems to like that one :P Hopefully not -800, the so called lucky number 8 is quite the opposite! (A380-800, 787-8, 747-8, A330-800 - none have proven to be a success) And don't forget the Convair...Jump to post
Boeing planes even outside of the 7x7 series have traditionally ended with a 7. Except, of course, the B720. I think it's a shame the name "Bombardier C-Series" disappears. Good that Airbus saved the programme by stepping in, and the A220 will remain the same good-looking little plane as ...Jump to post
Thanks for linking to the picture, wonderful! I think the Tu-104 is one of the sharpest-looking jetliners of all time, especially from this angle. The unusual (for passenger aircraft, at least) anhedral effect of the wings is easy to see. The picture has symbolic value too. Compared to the sleek and...Jump to post
MD-11 also has a small tail section, due to the engine: Yes, the vertical stabilizer itself is relatively small, but the entire tail construction is quite big when you include the no. 2 engine, it's the most eyecatching part of the plane. I estimate the LH Cargo MD11 is 85% white and 15% blue (so i...Jump to post
Anyone has some news about re-painted A346s? Can't wait to see it in the new livery. :-) Hmmm yes, that will indeed be interesting. The A346 has a relatively small tail, so 99% of the plane will be white, white, white. The new LH 'livery' works best on planes with relatively large tail sections, li...Jump to post
There are even nice videos: https://youtu.be/BInRyFEmRwM https://youtu.be/E-0oigoXUaE Thanks! Is that cool or what? I think it's awesome that such rare aircraft can still be seen every now and then. Yes, I know, I know, the IL-96 is not the most economic plane but as an aviation enthusiast, I feel ...Jump to post
AMS also has a high percentage of transfer passengers; 37% of the 68,5M passengers in 2017 transited through AMS.
Netherlands is a small country (although densely populated) so AMS, which is Europe's 2nd or 3rd biggest airport, has relatively few O&D passengers.
Not bad, still eurowhite but better balanced than LH's new livery, thanks to the large titles at the front.
I always liked the ice-blue engines. With the red and white, the blue made up for a unique and recognisable combination. They would suit this livery very well too
Like most people here, I really miss the BA Landor livery from the 80s (although I do like the current livery) 0413590 Perhaps I'm in a minority here, but I also really miss UA's blue tulip livery. One of the best liveries they had, to my eyes at least. It shows that classic, modern and fresh needn'...Jump to post
I much prefer the livery of the outgoing F70, with its orange and blue tail. That is stylish and distinctive. 3945235 This new livery on the 737 looks, well, OK to me, but except from the coat of arms and script, there's nothing to distinguish it as Dutch. Like the current F70 PH-KBX, the plane will...Jump to post
This was actually a big problem with the early PW JT9D engines on the 747-100 and it caused many delays in delivery of the 747. At some point, resulted in thirty aircraft being parked outside the Everett factory with concrete blocks hanging from the pylons, awaiting redesigned engines: https://www.p...Jump to post
It must have been around 40 years ago, but I can remember this moment like it was last week: when I was like 8 or 9 years old, my parents took me to Schiphol (AMS) airport, only 25 km from our home, to wave goodbye to friends or family who went on holiday to Portugal. Through an airbridge they stepp...Jump to post
I already nominated the Sud Caravelle and Convair CV880 here, but I thought that the Tupolev Tu-104/124 deserve a mention here as well: 1419903,1113097 Very beautiful aircraft in my eyes, and historically significant too, as the Tu-104 preceded the 707 and DC8 by quite some time, and they were the f...Jump to post
Difficult question for me. I've already seen very beautiful and impressive aircraft mentioned, like the Concorde, SAAB Draken, 747-8i and MD-11. I love the flowing lines and swept wings of the 747, the brutal nose of the DC10 and MD11, the sleek lines of the Concorde, but for me, it's gotta be the C...Jump to post
Considering that oil is getting stupidly expensive, wont the DC-8 cost a fortune to fly? I love the planes and all, but I guess I don’t understand the concept of using a DC-8 for cargo ops in 2018... These DC8s were re-engined with modern high-bypass fans, making them much more economic to operate....Jump to post
Feel like the 747 classics have died off quicker than say the 727. 10-11 years ago MIA was full of classic 747s. My all time favorite airplane. :checkmark: Just like here at AMS. One moment the classics were still a common sight, with several classic freighters flying in and out every day, and the ...Jump to post
Oh, it's a quad! Yuck! Totally inefficient! Bad CASM! Bad, bad, bad airplane! Think about the poor shareholders! Scrap it immediately! Signed, typical modern day a-netter. :checkmark: :checkmark: Sometimes it seems like there's more enthusiasm for efficiency than for aviation among a part of today'...Jump to post
I don’t see an airline from Lebanon ordering American aircraft. Well you are wrong because wings of lebanon operates a couple of boeing 737s and MEA used to operate 707s and 747s... And then there were those gorgeous " TMA of Lebanon " 707 freighters. These were frequent visitors to AMS d...Jump to post
If this does turn out to be the livery what a shame. They should go back to the 1980 livery with a modern facelift. This was one of the entries in the contest and is closest to what you have suggested. http://oi64.tinypic.com/5162dw.jpg I really like this. Classic and modern at the same time. Well ...Jump to post
Too messy for me. The Markhor on the tail and engines looks OK, but the flag is applied in a clumsy way. I don't like the 'PIA' font either, this will look outdated rather quickly.
There are too many elements screaming for attention: the flag, the letters 'PIA', the Arabic script, and the markhor.
They are probably just 5 to 10 years ahead of the curve, but get used to it, it is the future of aircraft livere. If we think the new LH livery is 'fresh and modern' in 2018, the future of liveries, imagine what a shockwave this DC9 must have caused 26 years ago: 4927499 This fresh and modern liver...Jump to post
Otherwise, just paint the entire airplane white as it will save even more money AND will look just as good as the new livery. :checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark: From a few hundred feet away, you can't discern the new crane logo anymore and the blue will look like black. Nothing to identify the pla...Jump to post
Wow, that MD11 tail looks good to me, and very shiny! Didn't expect that the MD11s would still receive the new livery, they're apparently not on the way out yet. Good news. I'm still not a big fan of the new livery, but on the MD11 this could actually work. Looking forward to seeing the entire aircr...Jump to post
Paint a 60-year old 707 in a modern livery and roll it up to a gate: I expect that only a small minority of the waiting passenger would notice that something is different ("Hey look, it has four engines!"). Try that with a 1958 car... 0435133 Takeoff noise would show a definite difference...Jump to post
That's a very interesting exercise. The 707 and DC8 were called 'giants of the sky' when they were new. Nowadays, the A321, which has more or less the same dimensions, as the OP shows, is considered a relatively small plane. While there have been important improvements in engine technology (the 707'...Jump to post