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by PixelPilot
Fri May 17, 2019 2:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 385232

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

Those pilots are dead. Did you understand or not ? Stop blaming them and start positively contribute to understand why there where unable to choose the right procedures and actions at the right moment, in the hypothesis that we can all agree on a working procedures and actions scheduling that could...

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by PixelPilot
Fri May 17, 2019 2:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 385232

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

ET though didn't follow published procedures for safe operation with MCAS v1 (and failed to follow a few other procedures as well) - if they had they would not have crashed. Full stop. They apparently knew all about MCAS and should have easily been able to counter it. Those pilots are dead. Did you...

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by PixelPilot
Thu May 16, 2019 9:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 385232

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

StTim wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
StTim wrote:
Boeing is. Are the FAA? Are the other regulators? Are the pilots? Are the passengers?


DO you think I have a crystal ball or something? Or anybody for that matter?


True - if you could answer those questions accurately I would be asking you for the lottery numbers!


4,9,15,18,28,43 ;)

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by PixelPilot
Thu May 16, 2019 9:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 385232

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-relea ... tem=130434

Boeing is. Are the FAA? Are the other regulators? Are the pilots? Are the passengers?


DO you think I have a crystal ball or something? Or anybody for that matter?
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StTim wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
Boeing is ready to get it up in the air.
https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-relea ... tem=130434

Boeing is. Are the FAA? Are the other regulators? Are the pilots? Are the passengers?


DO you think I have a crystal ball or something? Or anybody for that matter?

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by PixelPilot
Thu May 16, 2019 12:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 385232

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

Boeing / USA hate is quite strong in this forums
Obvious pilot errors (AP ON/OFF/ON/OFF/ON) yet people say that are at 0 fault.
I just really hope that all the bodies investigating this accidents have a bit more professionalism than some of you.
I'm not American but this is borderline stupid.

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by PixelPilot
Wed May 15, 2019 4:59 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: 787 Trent Engine replace on Norwegian
Replies: 43
Views: 6058

Re: 787 Trent Engine replace on Norwegian

I need some words of comfort. I'm about to fly Norwegian to LA and I just can't find the information whether by now they have replaced all the Trent 1000 engines on their 787-9's or whether their newest aircraft come with C packages that hopefully address the cracking issue. I used to love flying 7...

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by PixelPilot
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1787
Views: 360468

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

I don't like that the letters are further to the back.
Rest looks ok.

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by PixelPilot
Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing' s Trouble: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet
Replies: 117
Views: 25924

Re: Boeing' s Trouble: Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet

Antarius wrote:
910A wrote:
I saw the article also..So we now have the 787 issues which have been ongoing , the Max issues, the AF Tanker issues, perhaps Boeing needs to shake up top management and re-evualute their procedures, goals, standards etc.


What 787 issues are ongoing exactly?


I would like to know this as well

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by PixelPilot
Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines 737 MAX Future - Bright or Bleak?
Replies: 76
Views: 9425

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 MAX Future - Bright or Bleak?

I said from the get go that all this was was a time to watch for dips in Boeings stock price and buy. So do you think it would be wise for AS to purchase more MAX for their fleet strategy given the current environment? I would say this is the best time to do it. Buyers might even get a discount tha...

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by PixelPilot
Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 716056

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

Having experience in working at global corporations social media department, I can assure you they do. Heck, some of a.net members may even be on their payroll, for sure. Where does the conspiracy end? How do you know Boeing doesn’t secretly own Airliners.net via a secret subsidiary? Maybe some of ...

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by PixelPilot
Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 716056

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

I doubt it. The reason I doubt it is that pilots on both flights lost both AoA and airspeed indication accuracy. You can't catch two sensors with one bird... Same story with Lion Air. The AoA sensor was replaced and tested, and the next flight same story, well, almost... Issues in the ADIRU or wiri...

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by PixelPilot
Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:20 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Does the A320 have a MCAS like system?
Replies: 33
Views: 9265

Re: Does the A320 have a MCAS like system?

The fully mature FBW system covers every flight regime. It is Frankenstein mash-ups like adding something new (MCAS) to an old, mechanical plane (the 737) where you get conflicts. Airbus had a bad run with A300s that were half mechanical half FBW, with two A300-600Rs of China Air Lines crashing in ...

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by PixelPilot
Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:19 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Does the A320 have a MCAS like system?
Replies: 33
Views: 9265

Re: Does the A320 have a MCAS like system?

The fully mature FBW system covers every flight regime. It is Frankenstein mash-ups like adding something new (MCAS) to an old, mechanical plane (the 737) where you get conflicts. Airbus had a bad run with A300s that were half mechanical half FBW, with two A300-600Rs of China Air Lines crashing in ...

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by PixelPilot
Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 716056

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

https://www.ft.com/content/a2b6c6ec-54b ... 515a54c5b1


Paywall.
Anybody care to let us know what's in the article?
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RossW wrote:
FAA says ‘additional work’ needed for Boeing software fix

https://www.ft.com/content/a2b6c6ec-54b ... 515a54c5b1


Paywall.
Anybody care to let us know what's in the article?

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by PixelPilot
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

The Lion Air JT610 Preliminary Report was delivered within a month, and was ~70 pages with lots of technical data, including FDR graphs. I'm hoping for more than 2 pages of basic facts. I would speculate that the delay in issuing the report is more likely related to giving Boeing the opportunity to...

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by PixelPilot
Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

ET boss himself said those pilots were trained on MCAS. Stop banging your head against the wall. IT will make you even less objective. From what we know, something happened that in the end activated MCAS but at that point if they were trained like ET is stating they should have had no problem disco...

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by PixelPilot
Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

So it was mcas that killed these innocent people. Well done Boeing... https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47745191 No - in this case the pilots should shoulder a lot more of the responsibility. This was a known issue at the time of the crash (MCAS doing weird things) and the pilots should have done a...

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by PixelPilot
Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 716056

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

In the US, that means avoiding three of the four largest airlines in the country. I doubt people will educate themselves sufficiently to truly avoid the MAX. It sure doesn't help the paranoia, however, that many airlines share safety cards between ex. 737-800 and MAX8. Every day people are tweeting...

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by PixelPilot
Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s
Replies: 135
Views: 21778

Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Great news for the 320 but the 220 and 330 don't look good if you ask me.
Is almost like airbus 320 and 350 are the only real valuable products for the customers.
I wish the 220 would get more love. Freaking great aircraft. Loved every trip on it with Swiss.

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by PixelPilot
Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Anyway all of this is hot air. The safety of these planes will speak for itself. If they can't prove to be as safe as NG to fly they will get grounded forever at some stage. Simple as that. I hope we never have to debate another accident where MCAS is involved. One way or another. For the planes to...

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by PixelPilot
Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LOT News Thread - 2019
Replies: 578
Views: 72395

Re: LOT News Thread - 2019

If LOT keeps doing well I could see them getting a few 787-10s or maybe even 777s (not sure which model they would choose there though) 777s were ruled out long ago; too big of a machine for them. 787-10s apparently don't interest them either. But we'll see. It all depends on the volume on passenge...

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by PixelPilot
Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Exeiowa wrote:
It seems a little odd for people to opt to buy a safety indicating system for something you do not know exists


!!!!!!!!!!!
Which leads us to believe that all max buyers knew about the extra option but choose not to install/buy it.

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by PixelPilot
Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 716056

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

So what can Boeing do that is simple to make these planes at least as safe as the 737s they are replacing? There are well over 7,000 posts on these forums and that alone suggests that "simple" is definitely not an option. I'm flattered that you think I am some sort of miracle worker who c...

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by PixelPilot
Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Justice Department looks into Boeing
Replies: 82
Views: 11788

Re: Justice Department looks into Boeing

I mean thousands of people die every year in auto accidents that probably could be avoided with modern safety tech, if their cars had them. No one blames ford is someone dies in a crash that could have been avoided if they bought forward collision assist. It's not really different If it were not re...

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by PixelPilot
Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Article now appearing in the Washington Post throwing a little shade on Ethiopian's perceived stellar safety record. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/21/ethiopian-pilots-raised-safety-concerns-years-before-fatal-crash-records-show/ I would say that's not shade as you say it but facts...

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by PixelPilot
Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 595635

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

I'm sure you've seen the checklist. You've been active in the other thread. https://ibb.co/hZNrg01 I've seen more than one version of that checklist, and I agree this version addresses some issues. :checkmark: My question remains the same - when was it introduced? This one is from a sim but Boeing ...

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by PixelPilot
Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 716056

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

I have a friend whose dad has 4,000 hrs in the 737 as a co-pilot and knows where the trim cutout switches are located..... I'm guessing you are one of our younger contributors so I'm going to be as gentle as I can; are you sure you really meant to say that? I've never flown a 737; I have zero hours...

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by PixelPilot
Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 716056

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

I'm simply curious cause a large part of a.net thinks that apparently it's Boeing people that should be charged with murder cause nobody in their right mind would implement something like this... How is your example comparable? Your example is about a much more robust implementation and much less d...

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by PixelPilot
Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 716056

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

Is it me or this sounds familiar? The Aviation Herald learned that the loss of altitude had been caused by two angle of attack sensors having frozen in their positions during climb at an angle, that caused the fly by wire protection to assume, the aircraft entered a stall while it climbed through FL...

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by PixelPilot
Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 595635

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

So this is now a plane with known maintenance issues and pilots that failed to notice the trim issue. Strange. Its worse. Its an airline that doesnt even notify the flight crew of last nights faults and repairs nor make any mention of how the previous flight almost crashed through any form of brief...

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by PixelPilot
Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 716056

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

[...]Holy batman communistic / totalitarian mindset. Some of you just lost it lol. Vengefully locking up people for minor offences is rather a US attitude. Here is an aviation-related example. Note that in this case even the real guilt remained questionable. Ex-head of Qantas freight operations in ...

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by PixelPilot
Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

I was afraid of that, sorry. Here it is Ask chief executives what an airline’s first responsibility is and most will quickly respond that it’s safety. But that industry norm was challenged last week by the Boeing 737 MAX. The CEOs of Southwest, American and United decided to keep flying the plane a...

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by PixelPilot
Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1787
Views: 360468

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

lostsound wrote:
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I love this one.

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by PixelPilot
Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Seems they are confident in flying them as they are because according tho their excessive data those planes are safe. Ultimately they just followed the Trump/FAA grounding directive otherwise they would keep them in the air. Interesting. I must have missed that excessive data, as I had only seen th...

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by PixelPilot
Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 716056

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

If U.S. authorities are unwilling to take legal (criminal) actions against Boeing executives e.g. Muilenburg maybe other countries can act? Maybe put out a European Arrest Warrant or something. It would prevent him visiting Paris / Farnborough etc. Appropriate parties are investigating this whole t...

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by PixelPilot
Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

WSJ article on WN, AA and UAs decision not to ground the Max, initially... https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-u-s-airlines-decisions-to-keep-flying-the-737-max-11553092416?mod=hp_lead_pos1 Edit, change link It's behind a paywall. If you want others to read it you will have to quote pertinent secti...

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by PixelPilot
Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Embraer and Boeing JV to be named Boeing Brasil Commercial
Replies: 774
Views: 95703

Re: Updated: Embraer and Boeing Partnership confirmed

I wonder if Embraer can step in and develop 150-200 seats clean sheet and leave boeing "mom" to focus on the 797.

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by PixelPilot
Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 716056

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

If U.S. authorities are unwilling to take legal (criminal) actions against Boeing executives e.g. Muilenburg maybe other countries can act? Maybe put out a European Arrest Warrant or something. It would prevent him visiting Paris / Farnborough etc. Appropriate parties are investigating this whole t...

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by PixelPilot
Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

This stinks. So reports show a third pilot was required to avert disaster and fly the max 8 safely. If true, incompetence from Boeing at the highest level. And if report is true that means you didn't need 3 to avert disaster. Just two that knew the procedures/checklist in same way as the 3rd pilot ...

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by PixelPilot
Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Trump to nominate former DL exec as FAA Administrator
Replies: 101
Views: 16096

Re: Trump to nominate former DL exec as FAA Administrator

He definitely looks like a guy that is competent to do the job well.
I think that's a good choice.

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by PixelPilot
Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 595635

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesia-crash-exclusive/exclusive-cockpit-voice-recorder-of-doomed-lion-air-jet-depicts-pilots-frantic-search-for-fix-sources-idUSKCN1R10FB More details on front page of Reuters right now “They didn’t seem to know the trim was moving down,” the third source said...

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by PixelPilot
Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

This stinks. So reports show a third pilot was required to avert disaster and fly the max 8 safely. If true, incompetence from Boeing at the highest level. And if report is true that means you didn't need 3 to avert disaster. Just two that knew the procedures/checklist in same way as the 3rd pilot ...

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by PixelPilot
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

But wasn't the second sensor optional and if so not every max is equipped with it? And unless I'm missing something in this case it would mean A. Boeing is going to equip all maxes with the "optional" sensor or B. they can activate it by patching software?? All 737 MAX already had 2 AoA s...

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by PixelPilot
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

What if its a batch of AOA sensors that is bad and the whole thing has NOTHING to do with MCAS implementation. That still has everything to do with the horribly flawed implementation of MCAS since its input is based on a single AOA sensor. Boeing wouldn't be fixing it if it wasn't (badly) broken. W...

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by PixelPilot
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

I have skimmed through the past 5 or so pages and don't see anything listed to date. Back in the original pages, there were claims that the flight crew reported unreliable airspeed. According to avherald.com, it is now said "there had been no indication of unreliable airspeed by the flight cre...

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by PixelPilot
Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

I'm still not blaming B for deliberate action but I am interested of what will the separate findings show. No, deliberate action is of course ludicrous. I hope though some gutsy federal attorney can assert jurisdiction for a case of depraved-indifference murder. On what basis? What if its a batch o...

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by PixelPilot
Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

So if AOA is the similarity between the accidents then what could be the issue? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-airplane-angle-idUSKCN1QZ1R9 I wonder if the ET crew thought they were approaching stall -- when they really weren't, the airplane was just going on bad AoA information -- and...

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by PixelPilot
Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718323

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethi ... SKCN1QZ1R9
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So if AOA is the similarity between the accidents then what could be the issue?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethi ... SKCN1QZ1R9

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by PixelPilot
Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:00 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Man vs machine; are we ready to replace pilots completely?
Replies: 80
Views: 5200

Re: Man vs machine; are we ready to replace pilots completely?

One day? Sure. In our lifetime? It would be insane.

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