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by musman9853
Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Out of curiosity, does the US have a comparable version of the TOR-M1? Maybe the ESSM? I think I said "comparable", meaning it needs to be land based, mobile, autonomous, self contained (as in not dependent on any other systems). The ESSM is ship based. Wow the noise factor with you A nut...

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by musman9853
Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

I’ve seen the alleged rocket impact video. Well... the bang was very loud, the rocket sound non existing. There needs to be some sort of rocket engine sound prior to the bang. For somebody who has never heard a SAM, the sound, the noise would catch your attention. Especially when out at night in re...

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by musman9853
Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

https://twitter.com/NarimanGharib/statu ... 6937928705


Where are the navigation lights / strobes on the 737????

Phone camera probably couldn't pick it up.
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washingtonflyer wrote:
edu2703 wrote:
Alleged video of a missile hitting the aircraft. Can't confirm the authenticity

https://twitter.com/NarimanGharib/statu ... 6937928705


Where are the navigation lights / strobes on the 737????

Phone camera probably couldn't pick it up.

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by musman9853
Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

".@cbsnews: US officials are confident Ukrainian Flt 752 was shot down by Iran. US intelligence picked up signals of the radar being turned on & satellite detected infrared blips of 2 missile launches, probably SA-15s, followed shortly by another infrared blip of an explosion." https:...

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by musman9853
Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Pentagon official, a senior U.S. intelligence official and an Iraqi intelligence official told Newsweek that the Ukrainian airliner that crashed in Tehran was struck by an anti-aircraft missile. https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313?amp=1 Is this source ...

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edu2703 wrote:
Pentagon and Iraqi intelligence officials confirm to Newsweek that the Ukrainian airliner that crashed in Tehran was struck by an anti-aircraft missile.

https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot- ... 1313?amp=1


eNgInE fIrE

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by musman9853
Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

You are right, but it does not explain why the missile-tip came to rest within a hundred yards of the debris field when the actual impact is supposed to be miles away. I don't think it's been proven conclusively one way or the other as to the exact location of the alleged missile debris. Yeah it's ...

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by musman9853
Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

757gb wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:
Why would the tip of the missile be intact?


Exactly. In all the pictures I've seen of the alleged missile, nobody has asked that question.


I posted a picture earlier that shows the same type of missile, also has its tip intact

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by musman9853
Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Did the US deploy any missile defense systems during the Iranian attack? I haven’t heard any mention of this in any of the reporting up to this point. I wouldn’t put it past the Iranians to let a civilian airliner go into harms way and then provoke a counter-response the ends up getting the airline...

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by musman9853
Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org ... 2a5ac3.jpg

here's what apparently is a picture of a tor sam expended in what appears to be russia. has the same intact design as the one purportedly found on the ground in tehran.
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https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org ... 2a5ac3.jpg

here's what apparently is a picture of a tor sam expended in what appears to be russia. has the same intact design as the one purportedly found on the ground in tehran.

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by musman9853
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

That's why I agreed with you but didn't want to rule out a pilot being involved in another way Hope that makes sense Trying to explain lack of communication from pilots. Either they all got taken out together or one of them took/locked the others out and didn't want to communicate etc. How would th...

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by musman9853
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta “Waiting To Order” Boeing NMA
Replies: 232
Views: 28749

Re: Delta “Waiting To Order” Boeing NMA

Without some magic and/or deep, deep discounts from Boeing, many people simply don’t see Delta buying a new Boeing jet in the near-medium term. DL has bought the Airbus alternative to every new jet in Boeing’s product stack. Their 757s can easily be replaced by A321s. And it’s doubtful that their 7...

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by musman9853
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

We have some more information and verification of the Tor-M1 SAM system missile debris found. It appears to be genuine. Earlier, we only had one picture of the missile. Now we have more angles of the same missile debris, as well as images of the larger context around where it was found. And it appe...

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by musman9853
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

[photoid][/photoid] Yes but I wouldn't rule out a pilot or steward being involved in some kind of terrorism on board Yes but that would be an intention act as opposed to pilot error. That's why I agreed with you but didn't want to rule out a pilot being involved in another way Hope that makes sense...

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by musman9853
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Did the US deploy any missile defense systems during the Iranian attack? I haven’t heard any mention of this in any of the reporting up to this point. I wouldn’t put it past the Iranians to let a civilian airliner go into harms way and then provoke a counter-response the ends up getting the airline...

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by musman9853
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

seat1a wrote:
Presume for a minute it's a missile. Isn't there a radar track of that, or some satellite proof of that track near the UIA 737?


Would a manpad have any appreciable radar return?

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by musman9853
Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

With Trump talking about so many other possible targets for US attacks on Iran I'm surprised at how few people here mention a possible US missile being responsible. Everything is on the table at this time. If someone hit the plane mistakenly for me it Is more likely to be USA rather than Iran. Iran...

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by musman9853
Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

I was also wondering why on earth the pilots wouldn't make contact with air traffic control? The official "views" appear to be that it was an engine fire, but surely a plane such as these ought to be able to fly on another engine alone? Furthermore it would not create a situation where th...

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by musman9853
Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

What would be the possibility that this was a USA/Western missile targeting a close by Iranian military site that instead accidentally hit an airliner, rather than the other way around? Are there any possible target sites in the vicinity of where the aircraft was hit, assuming/speculating a possibl...

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by musman9853
Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2719
Views: 293364

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

https://twitter.com/inteldoge/status/12 ... 71905?s=21
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Everyone is just quoting this al hadath account.


Al hadath Is Saudi owned and therefore not a valid source
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32andBelow wrote:
YouGeeElWhy wrote:

Everyone is just quoting this al hadath account.


Al hadath Is Saudi owned and therefore not a valid source

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by musman9853
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus To Offer Dimmable Windows
Replies: 140
Views: 15882

Re: Airbus To Offer Dimmable Windows

Nice... though it's gonna suck on those airlines where the crew uses a mother-switch to just override everyone's window and make the cabin dark as throughout the flight. the 787 has that feature and I hear it's not all that popular, though with some individual tweaks it could be. This website is ab...

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by musman9853
Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Can Boeing make a great come back in 2020?
Replies: 211
Views: 28825

Re: Can Boeing make a great come back in 2020?

My view is that Boeing should cut their losses in 2020 and scrap the MAX programme and, sadly, the frames built. Public confidence in the aircraft is so low it'll take more than a few clever marketing tricks for it to become an aircraft accepted by the flying public. Then get on with the new NMA. A...

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by musman9853
Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement
Replies: 1049
Views: 151760

Re: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement

It's not very difficult to understand. The business case still wasn't closed in mid June. The BOD couldn't have approved ATO in March. It's not very difficult to understand. The reporting Indicates that the launch was all but green lit. That must mean the business case, pre max, was closed. And no ...

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by musman9853
Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement
Replies: 1049
Views: 151760

Re: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement

Also reporting from the air current saying the same thing: https://theaircurrent.com/aircraft-development/boeing-has-a-clear-path-to-picking-engines-offering-launching-the-nma/ That article is from Sep 2018. The other were lots of "it's widely believed" fluff. But very close to ATO in Mar...

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by musman9853
Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement
Replies: 1049
Views: 151760

Re: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement

https://theaircurrent.com/aircraft-deve ... g-the-nma/
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Also reporting from the air current saying the same thing:

https://theaircurrent.com/aircraft-deve ... g-the-nma/

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by musman9853
Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement
Replies: 1049
Views: 151760

Re: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement

Sure, sure, NMA must be right around the corner. We won World War 2 in less time than they have spent talking about NMA. Talk, talk, talk. That's all NMA is: talk. We know that the Boeing BOD we're on the verge of giving ato before the max crisis happened. I dont think we know that at all, unless y...

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by musman9853
Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement
Replies: 1049
Views: 151760

Re: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement

We know that the Boeing BOD we're on the verge of giving ato before the max crisis happened. Really? I don't recall anything, other than the hopes of some, that it got that close. Happy to be shown to be wrong. We never heard the business case was ever closed and actually seemed to be getting furth...

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by musman9853
Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement
Replies: 1049
Views: 151760

Re: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement

Yes, 6w, but 2-2-2, a 163" interior width, 172" outside diam. Aisles and windows for everyone. 2-2-2, the final frontier. End the tyranny and fear and loathing in the middle seat. 42m wing, 42K engines, 50m length. The SUV of aircraft. Remember the 70s and tiny compact cars? Now everyone ...

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by musman9853
Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement
Replies: 1049
Views: 151760

Re: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement

Other than authority to offer, what else is there for Boeing engineers to do on the NSA or MOM that they have not been doing for the past 5 years, is it that the engineers have not completed their task or the bean counters? My bet is on the bean counters. The stoppage of the 737 line for at least 6...

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by musman9853
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas Choose A35K for Project Sunrise
Replies: 24
Views: 2475

Re: Qantas Choose A35K for Project Sunrise

Shame the 778 isnt getting more love but the a350 is a great plane! Good choice I feel.

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by musman9853
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:13 am
Forum: Aviation Hobby
Topic: Disney used old Airliner parts at Star Wars Attraction
Replies: 15
Views: 3063

Re: Disney used old Airliner parts at Star Wars Attraction

Boeing's quad copter delivery drone was also used to make actually flying xwings that can fly over the park!

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by musman9853
Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement
Replies: 1049
Views: 151760

Re: Boeing NMA in doubt as customers push for all new 737MAX and 757 replacement

1,650 240-270 seaters (767) Where are you getting your numbers from? Hardly anyone is flying 767-200s in passenger service these days. That leaves just over 700 passenger 767s (-300s, -300ERs and -400s) to be replaced with absolutely no guarantee of getting 100% market share as you're suggesting. I...

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by musman9853
Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders
Replies: 486
Views: 136123

Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Anybody has an order count for the XLR? Did it already surpass 500 orders? See upthread. These 10 take the number of declared orders so far to about 400. But on top of that, an unspecified number of Indigo's 220 x A321's are known to be XLR's. 50? 100? Who knows? But that's the order of magnitude i...

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by musman9853
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019
Replies: 394
Views: 97273

Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

https://twitter.com/KPAE_Spotter/status ... 6410206208

First 767 parts being delivered to Paine via the dreamlifter.
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https://twitter.com/KPAE_Spotter/status ... 6410206208

First 767 parts being delivered to Paine via the dreamlifter.

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by musman9853
Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 951
Views: 246004

Re: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

qf789 wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
So if we're at 936 coming out, when will ln1000 be built?


Actually the latest to roll out which was yesterday is LN957, LN1000 787-10 destined for Singapore Airlines should be in final assembly about the second half of February

Wow, that's quick. Thanks!

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by musman9853
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 951
Views: 246004

Re: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

So if we're at 936 coming out, when will ln1000 be built?

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by musman9853
Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 370493

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

The tempest in a teapot settles itself down right where Boeing predicted all along, no major redesign needed, no impact to schedule. One would think the 148% failure point communicated right from the start would be the information people needed to come to that conclusion all on their own, but alas,...

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by musman9853
Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates: Berlin has to offer more incentives for DXB flights.
Replies: 14
Views: 3939

Re: Emirates: Berlin has to offer more incentives for DXB flights.

xwb777 wrote:
Angelina Merkel has promised Sir Tim Clark landing rights in Berlin once the new airport opens in 2020. The opening of the new Berlin airport will be announced this week.

2125?

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by musman9853
Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas Global suspending flights
Replies: 51
Views: 16625

Re: Atlas Global suspending flights

I am not looking forward to the next recession. It will be an absolute bloodbath, especially in europe.

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by musman9853
Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Latest British Airways A350 damaged in TLS
Replies: 36
Views: 18427

Re: Latest British Airways A350 damaged in TLS

"...many pieces of equipment that surround the aircraft in such facilities" Paint hangars are not like some old garage with paint barrels and ladders everywhere. I wonder what really happened. They have automated platforms hanging from the ceiling so there is not much scaffolding needed. ...

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by musman9853
Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates President slams other airlines and Airbus for mishandling and retiring A380
Replies: 294
Views: 43074

Re: Emirates Chairman slams other airlines and Airbus for mishandling and retiring A380

Put another way, some of its neighbors could also be taking advantage of their great geographical location but can't seem to get their act together with regard to trade and investment policies in particular with regard to the travel and tourism industries especially the aviation sector. Till that c...

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by musman9853
Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread
Replies: 244
Views: 61069

Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

What is the latest EK 779 order count? Is it 91 (115-24) (Wiki shows 104, that puts at 80). we don't know how many of the 777x cancellations are for the 778 and how many are for the 779. my bet is mostly 778s getting dropped though. Isn't the 778 development on hold (effectively cancelled)? On hold...

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by musman9853
Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread 2019
Replies: 247
Views: 75816

Re: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread 2019

http://kpae.blogspot.com/


looks good mostly, but the swoopy gray underside is weird imo
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Sooner787 wrote:
Matt Cawby posted couple great pics of UA's newest 77W in EvoBlu
Looks amazing

http://kpae.blogspot.com/


looks good mostly, but the swoopy gray underside is weird imo

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by musman9853
Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread
Replies: 244
Views: 61069

Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

[code][/code]

dtw2hyd wrote:
What is the latest EK 779 order count? Is it 91 (115-24) (Wiki shows 104, that puts at 80).


we don't know how many of the 777x cancellations are for the 778 and how many are for the 779. my bet is mostly 778s getting dropped though.

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by musman9853
Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread
Replies: 244
Views: 61069

Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

So, Boeing/GE has just secured the upper and lower parts of Emirates future fleet. It opens the possibility of 787-10 for their regional routes and they might have closed the door to A350-1000 at Emirates. That's a big move. Seriously man, it's a revolving door and it spins whichever way the wind i...

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by musman9853
Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread
Replies: 244
Views: 61069

Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

PHLspecial wrote:
Just question then is EK dropping the 778 to swap with the 787? Since the A350 are coming and the 778 is delayed


Seems to be that ek might reduce their 77x order in favor of 787s. The exact numbers are still unknown

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by musman9853
Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread
Replies: 244
Views: 61069

Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/arti ... ssion=true
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Bloomberg reporting EK 787 order is coming

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/arti ... ssion=true

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by musman9853
Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Updating Their Livery
Replies: 124
Views: 26842

Re: American Airlines Updating Their Livery

Antarius wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
I must be the only person that doesn't mind the current livery.


I think it looks excellent.


it's my favorite airline livery ever. boac is close though

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by musman9853
Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Updating Their Livery
Replies: 124
Views: 26842

Re: American Airlines Updating Their Livery

Fex180 wrote:
For me, the tail is the tackiest part of AA's post-merger livery. It looks very "early 2000's". I hope this livery refresh leads to a more minimalist tail design


i personally love how complex and over the top it is. it's very emblematic of america i feel

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by musman9853
Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates President slams other airlines and Airbus for mishandling and retiring A380
Replies: 294
Views: 43074

Re: Emirates CEO slams other airlines and Airbus for mishandling and retiring A380

This all comes back to little Timmy thinking he knew better than everyone else, it’s a mark of the mans hubris that everyone who disagreed with his “vision” was either moved aside or left for “family” reasons. One of the true tests of a leader is being able to listen to subordinates, being able mod...

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