Their only choice now is to buy the 747-8i. Close your eyes and imagine a 747 with EK livery. What do you think of that ? If you're like me, you cringed and thought, "Ew, no." Why might this be ? Perhaps this is because they've relied so heavily on the A380 for their brand identity; they'...Jump to post
Five years down the road, we will have some newbies posting "Why didn't A380 sell well?" "Woukd a stretch A380 make it more viable?" "Woukd A380 survived without EK large order? " "Why only three A380 for ANA? ".. God bless us all. dont forget the can airbus ...Jump to post
GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:It's looking like they are trying to get out of their A359 order completely.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 0s-455759/
So it turns out even EK don't need a big hammer (77W) every time to crack a nut (new or seasonal route) Did anyone see the A330NEO coming? Has to be one of the best kept order secrets in recent years....not even a whisper I'm also keen to see how EK market themselves over the next 5-10 years as the...Jump to post
I'm wondering how this news will go down with ANA. They might have got to really love their 3 A380's and want a few more. Oh well. I'm hoping Airbus signaled All airlines (I'm looking at you BA, ANA, etc) to make a now or never move on the a380s before today's announcement. I'd be very Surprised if...Jump to post
The A380 also has the 'benefit' of probably having bad secondary market prospects, so if a carrier can't sell them or scrap them for much they may just decide to keep flying them. Rofl. you'll see a repeat of the 757 saga. posters here will lament the end of production for 40 years while the last c...Jump to post
GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:-They are taking 14 remaining A388.
-40x 339 (1:1 the same as 78X MoU)
How long until we see some sort of Boeing press release about the 78X and 779?
Does anyone else feel the bittersweet irony of the A380's demise as we celebrate 50 years of the 747 (and also its demise) this week. I wonder which flight will be the last four holer. it'll almost certainly be the 747. new build 748s will be coming off the line until like 2023 at current orders. i...Jump to post
So far. Records are made to be broken, and China is a big country with grand ambitions. But ya, for a relatively narrow window, they built the biggest. yeah its only a matter of time before 200k lbf engines would be feasible. Just imagine the rudder needed to handle a 100k lbf engine out scenario! ...Jump to post
It is like Leeham is HQ'd in Toulouse, but actually is outside of Seattle. Scott Hamilton lives on Bainbridge Island, a ferry ride from downtown Seattle. I'm embarrassed at my error: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-hamilton-29202615 However, he has been very positive on the A346 and A388 in the p...Jump to post
Who would’ve thought the 747-8 would outlive the 380. Ha! A380 sales still obliterated those of 747-8i. Which is a good thing. And it is Airbus Industrie that will go down in history as the one who built largest passenger jetliner. So far. Records are made to be broken, and China is a big country w...Jump to post
so if RR's ultrafan is ready by 2025, when does boeing NEO the 787?Jump to post
Better than 9 abreast 787 any day 8-) Imo the lower altitude, higher humidity, and bigger windows make the 787 much better to fly on The A380 has that apart from the bigger windows. iirc the a380 has a slightly higher altitude, and the a380 doesnt have the same levels of humidity offered by the a35...Jump to post
Unlike many here, I did not enjoy flying the A380 in the least. From a product management standpoint it clearly missed the mark; I bet the engineers working on it would have liked a second chance to do it a bit differently. Still, it was a remarkable airplane. I agree. It redefined cattle call. Fle...Jump to post
WPvsMW wrote:Cabin configuration is controlled by the buyer (SQ) of the frame, not the seller.
ETOPS should never have been invented in the first place. It's time to get rid of it. I'm gonna assume you're being serious. So, why do you think etops should be revoked? afaik, there have been no incidents that would make you doubt etops. (air transat 236 is probably the closest, but a quad would ...Jump to post
Cruiser wrote:I am making my prediction now...the 747 will have it's last plane retired after the A380.
Lost in all of this is the fact that she's been in commercial ops for 12 years and it has at least that many more years ahead. A ~25 year lifespan isn't too shabby even if it didn't sell that many. considering airbus invested like 25B+ in the a380, it's pretty bad. airbus is gonna lose so much mone...Jump to post
Emirates is one airline that makes A380 work wonderfully in its network. When A380 goes out, it will affect other fleet too, everything will need to be proportionally smaller than what it is. If 500 odd people get in LHR, they go everywhere in the network, but if you have only 370 seats, remember t...Jump to post
Boeing has made a fortune from most of the 747 versions for over fifty years now, a few subtypes like the -SP and 300 series were not runaway successes but they’re all part of the same program The 8I falls into that same category but it’s way too early to count out the 8F, there’s nothing else that...Jump to post
This whole place is nutty! But hey, it wouldn't be Florida without Florida Man/Woman. I think Pasco and Hernando counties out north of Tampa officially "crack" the top of the list as the nuttiest places in FL, also because they're on LivePD. :lol: Real talk though, I see MCO is attending ...Jump to post
First of all, there is no chance in hell that Airbus is going to give EK the benefit of ordering the A350 on loose terms and certainly not at the expense of the A380. EK humiliated Airbus with the cancellation of 70 A350's back in 2014 and again by ordering the B777X and again with the B787-10. Tha...Jump to post
B747forever wrote:musman9853 wrote:sorry, i dont completely understand. As i Read this, AA is completely cancelling all jfk-mco flights? am i misreading this?
That is correct. AA will stop flying JFK-MCO.
sorry, i dont completely understand. As i Read this, AA is completely cancelling all jfk-mco flights? am i misreading this?Jump to post
It looks as if YR's wing is over the top of FFs wing and may have not penetrated the cabin. https://wwwaviation24be-q41r3jh.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/img_5084.jpg There is also damage to the port side of YR from something. https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/saturday/hebqrm23hg...Jump to post
RichardWelling wrote:Forgive my igornace, Ben Smith is no longer the CEO if Air France; correct?
The 777-9 may be bigger, but I see the A350-1000 being an immensely popular model over the next two decades. Immensely is a code word for not good enough or rather not big enough. Here I was thinking it meant “very”. At this point, it is likely too late for that. If airlines can't make the economic...Jump to post
flymco753 wrote:Daily dose of Florida Man, but this time, Florida Woman https://www.wftv.com/news/local/-i-know ... /916872152
ffs people how hard is it to not drink before your jobJump to post
tjwgrr wrote:I'll be thrilled if this is their platform in 2020. A real gift.
This is the every other week the 787-10 is a crap plane argument that Airbus fanboys trot out to make themselves feel better. This despite zero evidence of any performance problems at all. The 787-10 can fly any mission the A330 Neo can with better economics. Tim Clark with EK praised the 787-10 ec...Jump to post
DarthLobster wrote:The whale is dying. Let us feast upon its composite corpse and develop groundbreaking dental maladies.
[url][/url] Air France wants to offload half of its A380 fleet: https://m.faz.net/aktuell/finanzen/finanzmarkt/flugzeugfonds-der-a380-bringt-anleger-in-gefahr-16027689.html this has been a very bad week for the a380 lol. ek doestn want it, qf doesnt want it, af doesnt want it, qr trash talked it, etc.Jump to post
The 747 freighter is certainly not dead for the time being. Think Amazon. They haven't even started yet. However as all those 777-300ER will come to the freighter conversion market soon they might kill 747F freighter demand from below. The 748F and 77W converted freighters are for totally different...Jump to post
The biggest winner of all of this is gonna be the 747-8. Boeing is not as stupid as Airbus to willingly throw away a massive order, this is Boeing's order to lose. This B747-8 fever is getting worse and worse by day..... Boeing kill B747-8i with B777-9. Just like how Boeing kill the previous B747 w...Jump to post
https://leehamnews.com/2019/02/04/pontifications-787-10-engines-too-small-for-emirates/ Idk if it's posted anywhere else (searched but couldnt find anything), but apparently the rate is being dropped to 3.5 a month? "Airbus is reducing the production rate for the A330neo from six to 4.5/mo to 3...Jump to post
Jon ostrower seems very adamant that the a330neo is the aircraft that is being discussed, not the a350. If that is the case, how many a330neos would EK order to adequately cover the 40 78J?Jump to post
I disagree. It will take some investment to optimize. But in the 2030s when air travel is supposed to double, it will shine. First, this has been Airbus' business case since the A3XX days of the late 1990s, but air traffic has nearly tripled since then and yet they've only managed to sell a few hun...Jump to post
Nope. EIS most likely ~2027 from a 2020 launch. Also if Boeing claims 2025. Sorry. Nothing to doubt the usual 7 years: pdr's, cdr's, design freeze, production engineering, setting up supply chains, new engine, iron bird, software development & integration, static test frame, production building...Jump to post
Loving reading all the theories on here, more permutations and combinations than the mega millions lottery numbers! we dont know what we dont know, but I really, really hope the Whale is not ending production! is there any chance whatsoever we could get a NEO, even the slimmest, slightest, smallest...Jump to post
No they dont need more 777X. If the A350 is ordered, the 777X order will likely be at least cut. If the A330N is ordered, the 787 MoU will be cancelled/expire. The A380s that are in service and still coming (firmed orders) are not going anywhere soon. EK has too many 777X on order. Disagree. EK nee...Jump to post
Sorry, this guy is just a much a lunatic as Alex Macherass. He really has no clue if he thinks EK will buy the a330neo over the 787-10. EK and Rolls' relationship is at an all-time low. So he stayed up 'all night' writing some pseudo-trash for Twitter hits and will look exceptionally stupid when EK...Jump to post
Worth noting that Jon Ostrower - an incredibly renowned modern aviation journalist - has released an article which states the A330neo is an option being looked at by Emirates: https://theaircurrent.com/aircraft-production/boeing-787-deal-in-jeopardy-too-as-emirates-weighs-killing-a380-for-a330neo/ ...Jump to post
As best I can see, the 787 order has not yet been finalised. It's not on the Boeing O&D page yet. Cancel the 787s and fly A350s? Now, THAT would be an upset. Huge! Going for round 3 on the A350. This could be bad news for the 787. Worse for the A380. What a soap opera! Lightsaber Since they hav...Jump to post
WIederling wrote:They will dump the 78J, order the A350 and get the requested A380NEO as a treat ))))))))))))))
And there may well be some irony if, depending on the freight market and the disposition of the balance of the EK A380 order, the venerable 747 ends up outliving the A380 which was meant to supplant it. The 747-8F will definitely outlive the a380. 100%. even if no other orders are booked, there's s...Jump to post
maybe the 78J orders could be replaced with 789 orders?Jump to post