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by PacoMartin
Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Widebody Fleet of Western World
Replies: 53
Views: 7210

Re: Widebody Fleet of Western World

the alternatives for replacing Delta's roughly 80 767s are far from ideal. In late 2014, the carrier ordered 25 A330-900neos from Airbus to replace some of its older 767s. However, while the A330-900neo will have much lower unit costs than the planes it will replace, it will probably have about 40%...

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by PacoMartin
Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta 767-300ER stored?
Replies: 50
Views: 13268

Re: Delta 767-300ER stored?

Flightradar24 for a short time yesterday showed that the last time N171DN (29.8 year old 767-300ER with PW engines) flew was January 5th if this year. It flew ATL-MCI. Is it in for some sort of maintenance, or is it being stored at MCI? Those are some old Delta B763. I heard Vietnam government is n...

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by PacoMartin
Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Widebody Fleet of Western World
Replies: 53
Views: 7210

Re: Widebody Fleet of Western World

Great data though, thanks for posting. I think it is very difficult to discuss anything without data. It seems to irritate some people who seem to think that opinions should be tossed around without any backup. Of course, sometimes the data is confusing. AA spent billions to make sure they had the ...

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by PacoMartin
Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Widebody Fleet of Western World
Replies: 53
Views: 7210

Re: Widebody Fleet of Western World

Another thing to consider is that a WB doesn't equal a WB. Many of the planes due for replacement are 763s and 772s. They are being replaced by 7810s, 339s, 3510s and 779s, all bigger planes. I remember articles written about 2-3 years ago that Delta plan to replace 763s with 339s was dangerously f...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders
Replies: 281
Views: 67897

Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

Can we just keep to the topic, that being actual orders for 2020 and leave all the side commentary out of the discussion You mean these 7 orders? AIR LEASE CO 7-Jan | 50 A220-300 + 52 A321neo + 1 A350-900 Air Lease Corporation (ALC) in Los Angeles CALC 23-Jan | 40 A321neo China Aircraft Leasing Gro...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Widebody Fleet of Western World
Replies: 53
Views: 7210

Re: Widebody Fleet of Western World

To go back to your original post about the Western World, than yes, in this case we could say that the Western World (reducing it to only the US and part of Europe) is overall not growing its widebody fleets. But growth in Aviation in general has been in other parts of the world for a few decades a...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Widebody Fleet of Western World
Replies: 53
Views: 7210

Re: Widebody Fleet of Western World

It is Aer Lingus which will be pioneering A321 transatlantic operations for the group. Aer Lingus makes sense, more because they have a preclearance facility in DUBLIN than because it is slightly closer. All Aer Lingus destinations in US are within 4700 nmi, but the three west coast ones probably n...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Widebody Fleet of Western World
Replies: 53
Views: 7210

Re: Widebody Fleet of Western World

There is no wrong answer. Yet, you berate anyone who doesn't agree with you. First of all, I asked a question, and I did not express an opinion. You can't disagree with a question. I am berating people who respond with a stupid non-sequitur, like "until we have a narrow body that flies from EW...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn’t 3 engine planes push out 4 engine planes like 2 engines did?
Replies: 118
Views: 18783

Re: Why didn’t 3 engine planes push out 4 engine planes like 2 engines did?

Bear in mind the DC10 and L1011 were using the same engines as the 747, so the 747 had the thrust to lift 33% more weight, so I’d imagine fuel tanks could indeed be a lot bigger. A lot bigger! L1011-1/200/500: 23,814 / 26,502 / 31,642 US gal DC10: 21,762 / 36,652 US gal 747-200B/300: 53,985 US gal ...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Widebody Fleet of Western World
Replies: 53
Views: 7210

Re: Widebody Fleet of Western World

I just don´t understand the premises of your post. Let me use an example of what I mean. Even though the last of the B747s were retired just a few years ago from Delta and United, the last major order was made in 1996-1997. It makes sense to say that the era of four engine jet acquisitions by US ai...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Widebody Fleet of Western World
Replies: 53
Views: 7210

Re: Widebody Fleet of Western World

unless you can make an A321-sized aircraft that can fly SYD-LAX then the WB fleet will not disappear. Please refrain from using absolutes. It is obvious that the WB fleet will not disappear. The question is will the fleet diminish in size. When the B747 program began in the 1960s nearly every airli...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Widebody Fleet of Western World
Replies: 53
Views: 7210

Re: Widebody Fleet of Western World

VLAs not being successful does not mean large aircraft in general are not successful: The trend seems to be airlines picking larger variants of aircraft over the smaller ones. Some airlines show more bias towards large aircraft than others. BA is a great example: Take a look at the aircraft that ar...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1173
Views: 193895

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Are all the 763s to be retired by 12/31/2020? I don't know if they changed their mind in the last 6 months Another major development for the airline’s fleet is its retirement of aging Boeing 767-300ER aircraft. American Airlines has announced that its fleet of the smaller wide-body aircraft will be...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Icelandair reiterates interest in potential Airbus order
Replies: 79
Views: 18820

Re: Icelandair reiterates interest in potential Airbus order

What strategic value does the airline offer? Would the airline be desirable to IAG in terms of its transatlantic share and moreover, would ownership rules allow for an IAG takeover? There was an extensive discussion of an IAG takeover of Icelandair about 4 years ago. https://www.airliners.net/forum...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Widebody Fleet of Western World
Replies: 53
Views: 7210

Re: Widebody Fleet of Western World

Your premise is wrong. A destination may be reachable by an A321 but if it can't carry the number of passengers on that route, a bigger aircraft will have to be used. I never said that the widebody would be replaced completely. I am not an idiot. I asked do you think the number of widebodies will d...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Widebody Fleet of Western World
Replies: 53
Views: 7210

Widebody Fleet of Western World

As 4-engine jets are phased out of the European fleets and maximum ranges of narrow bodies are have increased to up to 4700 nmi, it seems like the widebody fleets of the western world will diminish. On the other hand as traffic increases pressure on the busiest runways may mean that airports will ch...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airports too Small for Big Jets
Replies: 14
Views: 3018

Re: Airports too Small for Big Jets

Your title is odd and confusing. Seems like you're talking about airport physicality, rather than market demand. Sorry. I can't change it although I don't care if a moderator changes the title. United has an extra option which is to switch routes back to regional flying. They have no doubt done tha...

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by PacoMartin
Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airports too Small for Big Jets
Replies: 14
Views: 3018

Re: Airports too Small for Big Jets

Population and passenger counts tend to grow over time. Some of those airports should grow their traffic to fill the larger aircraft. That is a resonable guess and was option #3. Up until 1967 you needed to fly in a 4 engine jet to have more than 131 seats and the biggest Boeing 4 engine jet was li...

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by PacoMartin
Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airports too Small for Big Jets
Replies: 14
Views: 3018

Re: Airports too Small for Big Jets

The difference between a 737-700 and 800 is negligible, it's only a few seats. Any airport that can handle a 700 can also handle and 800, there's no difference. Portland's jetport has a 7200' runway which is longer than any airport at Chicago's Midway airport. Maine's population is 1.34 million wit...

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by PacoMartin
Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airports too Small for Big Jets
Replies: 14
Views: 3018

Airports too Small for Big Jets

Southwest Airlines, as we all know, has only been receiving new 175 seat jets since 2012. But the bulk of their fleet is 143 seat jets delivered new before 2012 or acquired used since then. Hawaii routes naturally use only the larger jets, while at least two airports with fewer than 1000 Southwest p...

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by PacoMartin
Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2019 Airport Passenger Traffic Statistics
Replies: 65
Views: 8784

Re: 2019 Airport Passenger Traffic Statistics

jfklganyc wrote:
They rescinded that with the new master plan a few years ago. Even La La Land knows not to kill the golden goose. Heck, they are adding lots of gates


I was wondering how that was going to work. You can't stop the growth of one of the world's top airports.

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by PacoMartin
Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2019 Airport Passenger Traffic Statistics
Replies: 65
Views: 8784

Re: 2019 Airport Passenger Traffic Statistics

I could have sworn there was a court order requiring LAX to begin closing gates at 75 MAP in order to control size. Obviously they have pushed past that number in the last four years.

2015 74,936,256
2016 80,921,527
2017 84,557,968
2018 87,534,384
2019 88,068,013

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by PacoMartin
Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 851
Views: 78823

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

And I flew Allegiant on ABE-SFB. It was my first time on Allegiant, and my first time on an MD80. Allegiant began operations in Dec 2005 flying to SFB outside of Orlando. ABE has now become the single most popular destinations from SFB. Now Allegiant has basically the only full size jets other than...

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by PacoMartin
Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 851
Views: 78823

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Yay for the 33 million! ABE is a nearly empty airport just 55 miles northwest of PHL. Splitting 55 miles in half the relative populations are: 1,251,272 population 28 miles from ABE airport 4,927,895 population 28 miles from PHL airport ABE is dominated by Allegiant Air. Other than Allegiant only D...

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by PacoMartin
Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 155775

Re: New middle of the market widebody.

What happened with the 787-3? The 787-3 was designed specifically for the Japanese market, it would have carried 290–330 passengers in two-class over 2,500–3,050 nmi range, limited by a (165 tonnes ) MTOW. In contrast the 787-8 has a MTOW of 228 tonnes. Basically the -3 was much larger than the nom...

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by PacoMartin
Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 155775

Re: New middle of the market widebody.

which of them is going to be the first to address the middle of the market gap with a new widebody aircraft? Perhaps no one will. Markets will remain the same. For instance there are only flights to Scotland on a year round basis from JFK and EWR. In the summer tourist season those two routes are s...

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by PacoMartin
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn’t 3 engine planes push out 4 engine planes like 2 engines did?
Replies: 118
Views: 18783

Re: Why didn’t 3 engine planes push out 4 engine planes like 2 engines did?

How soon they forget... The original 4-pot planes in the USA were pushed out by the 3-holer 727. Boeing's original trijet replaced planes such as the 720 or 707-120 for those trips where transcontinental range was needed. Sales numbers bear this out as the 727 sold like crazy. The three engine 727 ...

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by PacoMartin
Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing announces first annual net loss since 1997
Replies: 126
Views: 15971

Re: Boeing announces first annual net loss since 1997

But I have to ask, where are you getting your numbers from? Boeing deliveries for 2019 were 380 and BCA revenue in 2018 was $57,499 millions (both from Boeing's 2019 financial report https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2020-01-29-Boeing-Reports-Fourth-Quarter-Results). Boeing restated 2018 results adjuste...

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by PacoMartin
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing announces first annual net loss since 1997
Replies: 126
Views: 15971

Re: Boeing announces first annual net loss since 1997

One interesting drill is to divide Boeing's revenue from commercial jets by the number of commercial jets delivered that year. As the advertised prices are all well over $100 million (and over $300 million for the largest widebodies), it is shocking that the biggest average per jet you get is $87 mi...

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by PacoMartin
Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing announces first annual net loss since 1997
Replies: 126
Views: 15971

Re: Boeing announces first annual net loss since 1997

Boeing Revenue from commercial aircraft 2019 $32,255 2018 $60,715 2017 $58,014 2016 $59,378 2015 $66,048 <-------------------------------------- peak 2014 $59,990 2013 $52,981 2012 $49,127 2011 $36,171 2010 $31,834 2009 $34,051 2008 $28,263 2007 $33,386 2006 $28,465 2005 $21,365 2004 $21,037 2003 $2...

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by PacoMartin
Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A320neo Family Aircraft purchased by US airlines
Replies: 12
Views: 1907

Re: A320neo Family Aircraft purchased by US airlines

The most interesting, Several different customers have ordered more A321Neo than A320Neo, but the US airlines are particularly prominent A321-A320 138 0 VIETJET AIR VIET NAM A 120 0 AMERICAN AIRLINES UNITED STATES N 100 0 DELTA AIR LINES UNITED STATES N 92 0 TURKISH AIRLINES TURKEY E 85 0 JETBLUE A...

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by PacoMartin
Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread
Replies: 125
Views: 16005

Re: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread

Better wings, better engines (PW) and more passengers means the A322XLR beats the 737-11 all ends up. Game over. Does the A322XLR have a longer range than the A321XLR or just more payload? As it is, the A322 is a discussion piece on a.net. So if Airbus will build such a frame and how it would look ...

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by PacoMartin
Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:33 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: speculation given a "what if"
Replies: 11
Views: 1597

Re: speculation given a "what if"

If you see the delivery of A321 after 2001. It actually dipped so low to the point where it reached 17 frames in 2005. So I wouldn't called 2001 a boom. Only after 2007 that they could sustain proper growth. Something happened in 2005 that massively jump started B737 sales as well. th e current LLC...

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by PacoMartin
Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread
Replies: 125
Views: 16005

Re: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread

scbriml wrote:
Better wings, better engines (PW) and more passengers means the A322XLR beats the 737-11 all ends up. Game over.


Does the A322XLR have a longer range than the A321XLR or just more payload?

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by PacoMartin
Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread
Replies: 125
Views: 16005

Re: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread

You are preaching to the choir, and I was really surprised in 2015 when Boeing categorically stated that the new MOM was not going to be a single aisle jet. Boeing executives were basically mocking the idea using some of the most derogatory nicknames for the B753 like "the pencil". The 55 ...

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by PacoMartin
Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 155775

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

I don't know how seriously we can take the word of the Boeing CEO though, in general. When your pay and benefits are tied to the share price, how much will you be saying to keep investor confidence high versus the reality that will hurt your net worth? Honest! We are not building a MAX replacement....

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by PacoMartin
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 155775

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

Because the bulk of flight is <1000NM and if you can offer something unbeatable for that demanding segment you make more money than with another A321. Unbeatable in efficiency, flexibility, production costs, global sourcing. I think that is probably true. I don't have hard statistics for Asia and E...

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by PacoMartin
Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A320neo Family Aircraft purchased by US airlines
Replies: 12
Views: 1907

Re: A320neo Family Aircraft purchased by US airlines

But, it seems a bit irrelevant to compare the orders of a single company with the orders of a whole country. Perhaps so. Then the US airlines (not leasing companies) purchased 1,162 A320 family with the current engine option (A318,A319,A320,A321). There seems to be little interest in the A320neo (e...

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by PacoMartin
Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 155775

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

If I was in charge at Boeing :covereyes: , I would go for 140-200 seat <3000NM segment. Really? The A220-100/300 range is 3,400 nmi / 3,350 nmi The MAX-7/8/9/10 range is 3,850 nmi / 3,550 nmi / 3,550 nmi / 3,300 nmi The A320/321/XLR range is 3,500 nmi / 4,000 nmi / 4,700 nmi C919/ER range is 2,200 ...

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by PacoMartin
Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A320neo Family Aircraft purchased by US airlines
Replies: 12
Views: 1907

A320neo Family Aircraft purchased by US airlines

In addition to the 668 purchased NEOS, there are an additional 18 that are being leased Neo = A320neo + A321neo @Dec 2019 214 = 147 + 67 FRONTIER AIRLINES 120 = 0 + 120 AMERICAN AIRLINES 100 = 0 + 100 DELTA AIR LINES 85 = 0 + 85 JETBLUE AIRWAYS 50 = 0 + 50 UNITED AIRLINES 43 = 43 + 0 SPIRIT AIRLINES...

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by PacoMartin
Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 155775

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

Let me clarify that statement I made in the previous post. United Airlines order 28 B737-900. They ended up taking delivery of 12 B737-900 and 16 were upgraded to B737-900ER. At a later date they ordered 120 additional B737-900ER. United Airlines made two orders for the MAX 12. Jul. 2012 99 27. Dec....

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by PacoMartin
Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 155775

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

160-220 seats is MAX replacement sizes, not what most people considered the “middle of the market” to be. There is a very real possibility Dave Calhoun is saying that we need a MAX replacement in the only way he can that is fit for public consumption. If he actually said "we need a MAX replace...

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by PacoMartin
Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest misses on Q4 Earnings
Replies: 72
Views: 11101

Re: Southwest misses on Q4 Earnings

Southwest fleet 503 Boeing 737-700 (362 ordered new directly from Boeing) 207 Boeing 737-800 (202 ordered new directly from Boeing) 34 Boeing 737-8MAX All new deliveries to WN have been 737-800s and Max 8s since December 2011. ( Absolutely true. And how long would it take to get 600+ A220-300s? :( F...

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by PacoMartin
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest misses on Q4 Earnings
Replies: 72
Views: 11101

Re: Southwest misses on Q4 Earnings

I've heard a rumor that WN was looking at some -800s from Norwegian, perhaps someone else might be able to confirm/deny it. I hope so. WN badly needs more planes. New deliveries from Boeing of the B737-700 by Southwest Airlines from 17. Dec. 1997 to 21. Dec. 2011 were 362 jets. Planespotters lists ...

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by PacoMartin
Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 155775

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

Many of the patents for oval fuselage were co-authored by Mithra Sankrithi, a 32-year Boeing veteran and now chief of product development for airplane integration and product evaluation. Could the clean sheet d end up carrying the same passenger load for the same range as the A321XLR, but with an ov...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 155775

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

Nope. Countering the jetstream the XLR doesn't have the range. AKL-KUL 4,699 nm is also on the infographic. If you look at the great circle for the routes, YVR-LHR in particular should be easily capable of being routed away from the Jetstream for the bulk of the flight - its almost polar.Just throw...

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by PacoMartin
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 155775

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

Aren't those potential routes for the A321XLR in 2023? YVR-LHR 4,104 nm JFK-DME 4,085 nm Nope. Countering the jetstream the XLR doesn't have the range. https://www.airway1.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/a321xlr-info.jpg On the A321 XLR selling the XLR model they show these two routes. JFK-FCO 3,717...

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by PacoMartin
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 155775

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

DanniS wrote:
Again, with a potential 60% fuel burn reduction inbound, a narrowbody that could fly Vancouver to London or New York to Moscow may be inbound by 2035, but I certainly wouldn't want to be on it.


Aren't those potential routes for the A321XLR in 2023?
YVR LHR 4,104 nm
JFK DME 4,085 nm

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by PacoMartin
Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates adds tech stops to selected U.S destinations
Replies: 44
Views: 16701

Re: Emirates adds tech stops to selected U.S destinations

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=sfo-ams/dxb%0d%0aika%0d%0aBINP%0d%0ajfk-mad&R=2620km%40BINP%0d%0a660nmi%40BINP%0d%0a2700nmi%40BINP&MS=bm&MP=polar&MX=540x540&PM=*&RS=outline&RC=%2300ffff I don't know if this polar centered map helps. (1) A great circle route from JFK to MAD wh...

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by PacoMartin
Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates adds tech stops to selected U.S destinations
Replies: 44
Views: 16701

Re: Emirates adds tech stops to selected U.S destinations

Just remember that if two airports are 180 degrees in longitude apart the great circle is over the north pole. DXB and LAX are 174 degrees of longitude, so the great circle is just shy of due north.

Even DXB and IAH are still 151 degrees apart

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