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by joeblow10
Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Spirit Airlines network thread - 2018
Replies: 364
Views: 44661

Re: Spirit Airlines network thread - 2018

I think that we are forgetting an important question. Where are the planes going to come from? They are expanding across the board right now and I don't know if they add new stations left and right without a huge increase in their fleet. Well, according to their Fleet Plan update from July, looks l...

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by joeblow10
Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Spirit BDL base?
Replies: 24
Views: 4198

Re: Spirit BDL base?

Maybe a long shot... but with the way they've been adding to/from DEN, would not be shocked to see DEN-BDL as well

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by joeblow10
Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 613
Views: 76247

Re: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018

Let’s take an example I did a few weeks ago. I left home (~10 miles west of BNA) around 1150 for a 1345 flight. I was through security around 1225 and had a glass of wine and lunch in the Admiral’s Club, along with 40 minutes or so of work. We then boarded, left roughly on time, and blocked in in A...

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by joeblow10
Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 613
Views: 76247

Re: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018

The BNA-ATL O+D market is extremely limited - DL has the advantage of having its mega hub on the other end to funnel everybody through. If SWA is trying to do the reverse and funnel folks thru BNA, it may make sense to do so, I’m just saying so far the numbers show it may not be working to plan. Re...

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by joeblow10
Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 613
Views: 76247

Re: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018

I’d argue exactly the opposite. As they build out BNA, they have to offer ATL to keep business passenger loyalty. They are trying to take share from DL in BNA (see the DTW and MSP adds). ATL is part of that. Agreed. I think WN knew they were stepping into a buzzsaw when they started the ATL-BNA rou...

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by joeblow10
Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 596983

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

The way AvHerald and the authorities are wording it... it almost sounds like the pilots on the prior flight with problems did turn off the MCAS since the automatic trim never activated

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by joeblow10
Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:55 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Shooting the breeze with a WN pilot about Hawaii
Replies: 29
Views: 3135

Re: Shooting the breeze with a WN pilot about Hawaii

No way is WN going to destroy HA.... a large chunk of interisland is actually business travel, and I can almost guarantee those folks will stick with HA. Given the 717 vs. the 737 for interisland, it's the 717's advantage any day. The tourist side of it? Harder to say ... but with 10x the frequency ...

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by joeblow10
Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 613
Views: 76247

Re: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018

City pairs with onboard loads < = 70.0% (both ways combined) 53.9% ….. BNA ….. ATL Even though the load factors on the WN BNA-ATL nonstops is only 53.9%, WN was operating 5 daily nonstops in each direction between BNA and ATL in August 2018, and there are at least 715 seats available in each direct...

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by joeblow10
Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA Continues DEN Expansion - New Flights to SRQ/VPS/PBI/PNS/BRO
Replies: 41
Views: 5685

Re: UA Continues DEN Expansion - New Flights to SRQ/VPS/PBI/PNS/BRO

evank516 wrote:
Noise wrote:
DEN-VPS on an ERJ? Am I seeing that right?


I thought the same thing. Ouchies.


Not really much worse than DEN-TYS which runs with an ERJ quite frequently... (and don't get me started on the CRJ-700 I've flown from DEN-ATL before...)

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by joeblow10
Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/18/2018:AA Adds ORD-GCM/PLS/YQB for Summer;D8 Suspends SWF-SNN;NK Loads Summer
Replies: 66
Views: 10731

Re: OAG Changes 11/18/2018:AA Adds ORD-GCM/PLS/YQB for Summer;D8 Suspends SWF-SNN;NK Loads Summer

For starters - to quash this ridiculous notion that they should merge - each of the ULCCs run fairly different business models. - F9 pursues mid-size markets between major or secondary cities. The big difference with F9 are the outrageous sales - Spirit used to do it, but now Frontier looks like the...

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by joeblow10
Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Syria, DPRK eyes direct flight
Replies: 49
Views: 7515

Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct fly

Welcome aboard terror air! I’m sure being a pax on this one would get you flagged at every customs check elsewhere for the rest of your life...

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by joeblow10
Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 613
Views: 76247

Re: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018

Yowza.... I hope the shiv they're trying to stick in DL's side is worth it for those BNA-ATL numbers

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by joeblow10
Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing’s automatic trim for the 737 MAX was not disclosed to the Pilots
Replies: 295
Views: 45651

Re: Boeing’s automatic trim for the 737 MAX was not disclosed to the Pilots

Am I correct in understanding after reading all of these things ... that certain airlines and pilots were informed while others weren't? That seems to be the root of the issue here: both between Boeing and the airlines themselves. LOT and TUI pilots have said they recieved training on it... SWA and ...

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by joeblow10
Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NK announces MSY-DEN/PHL
Replies: 19
Views: 2658

Re: NK announces MSY-DEN/PHL

Geez, DEN gets MCO, AUS, and now MSY on NK all in one week.

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by joeblow10
Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 613
Views: 76247

Re: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018

"Paine Field Update Southwest also today announced it has entered into an agreement with Alaska Airlines to transfer the carrier's slot access to an under-construction passenger terminal at Paine Field (PAE). The decision is based on business considerations and terms of the agreement are confi...

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by joeblow10
Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/11/2018:AA Drops CHA-ORD,MEX-PHL;AS Drops FCA-PDX;NK Adds MCO-KIN/MBJ/DEN;UA Drops FAY-IAD,Adds FAT-ORD
Replies: 103
Views: 14579

Re: OAG Changes 11/11/2018:AA Drops CHA-ORD,MEX-PHL;AS Drops FCA-PDX;NK Adds MCO-KIN/MBJ/DEN;UA Drops FAY-IAD,Adds FAT-O

nine4nine wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Also of note: DL appears to be adding ATL-BUR



Wow awesome. Great to see this back. Any idea if this is returning as a 752?


Looks to be 2x daily -700

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by joeblow10
Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Skywest pursues Massena and Ogdensburg EAS
Replies: 72
Views: 7307

Re: Skywest pursues Massena and Ogdensburg EAS

Ok, I'll bite with the obvious question: How is EAS even eligible at both of these airports? They're 38 miles apart, not to mention OGS has the seasonal G4 service. MSS I could sort of understand... but even then, why not just have service at one? I'm a big fan of the EAS program in general (I use i...

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by joeblow10
Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN and DFW
Replies: 28
Views: 3462

Re: WN and DFW

Wasn't it part of the repeal agreement between DFW/DAL/AA/WN that WN could not serve elsewhere in the metro area until at least 2024 (10 years after repeal)? I believe that's why they had no choice but to get rid of the AirTran gates (not that they would've kept them anyway)...? Or maybe I'm just im...

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by joeblow10
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 596983

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

One things for sure: if this somehow does turn out to be an issue with the MAX and not with LionAir as you’d think... there is going to be a massive panic for Boeing to put out

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by joeblow10
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 596983

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

METARs appear to show nothing that significant, other than SCT020. Interesting to note the plane does start “fluctuating” right as it passes 020, so the pitot theory can’t be ruled out

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by joeblow10
Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 596983

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Same flight yesterday to today https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1151x734/3_c4607b5fa54c9ce9d2ba78abc73c901bc9efc3a4.gif Definitely odd... even at the portion before it started fluctuating around 5000 feet, you can see a rapid ascent compared to yesterday starting 2 minutes in

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by joeblow10
Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: F9 (Frontier) Airlines' Strategy?
Replies: 29
Views: 3033

Re: F9 (Frontier) Airlines' Strategy?

PDEW report for SAT You either need a subscription to a service like Diio, or you can pull it off the DOT website (which is a real pain in the rear to find/navigate) - and even after you get the data it pulls "raw" data that you've got to sort/decipher 100s of 1000s of rows worth. Not too...

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by joeblow10
Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: F9 (Frontier) Airlines' Strategy?
Replies: 29
Views: 3033

Re: F9 (Frontier) Airlines' Strategy?

If you want, you can kind of see how F9 chooses new routes based off PDEW numbers. They seem to “work their magic” by trying routes with 40-60 PDEWs and trying to run them 3-4x weekly, and hope it sticks. Great examples are DEN-PWM/SYR/etc and a lot of the stuff they added out of DEN last year. I ch...

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by joeblow10
Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 10/28/2018:F9 Drops GSP-LAS/MCO,SAT-CVG/RDU,PIT-MCO/SAN,AUS-SJC,BNA-TTN,MCI-RDU;UA Adds FAI-SFO
Replies: 97
Views: 11545

Re: OAG Changes 10/28/2018:F9 Drops GSP-LAS/MCO,SAT-CVG/RDU,PIT-MCO/SAN,AUS-SJC,BNA-TTN,MCI-RDU;UA Adds FAI-SFO

Two biased observations b/c they affect my travels: Looks like AA is pulling out of Vail entirely during the summer. That sucks - they had been running at least once a day thru DFW for the past decade or more. Now it’s UAX via DEN or drive. Also, continued expansion for destinations out of FAI on UA...

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by joeblow10
Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AK Governor: ANC to Harbin (China) Flights To Begin 2019
Replies: 45
Views: 6345

AK Governor: ANC to Harbin (China) Flights To Begin 2019

https://www.adn.com/business-economy/2018/10/24/new-year-round-direct-flights-are-set-to-connect-alaska-and-china-in-2019/ I would assume this would likely be China Southern or Sichuan service? Either way... neat addition if this actually comes to fruition! (Would be really neat on the .1% chance AS...

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by joeblow10
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More to the Story? United ERJ (swapped for CRJ) turns around from CHA because ERJ-175 "too large to land"
Replies: 55
Views: 9578

Re: More to the Story? United ERJ (swapped for CRJ) turns around from CHA because ERJ-175 "too large to land"

Like I mentioned in the above post, 175s are used regularly on AA DFW-CHA. I don't know if all the ground handling is done in-house or contracted out but the point is SOMEBODY at the airport is qualified to work that type. A little cooperation between carriers and ground handling contractors could ...

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by joeblow10
Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 10/21/2018: AS;DL Ends JFK-SNA;UA
Replies: 72
Views: 12425

Re: OAG Changes 10/21/2018: AS;DL Ends JFK-SNA;UA

Transpac787 wrote:
enilria wrote:
DL ATL-EVV JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[3]

Any idea what aircraft types will be doing this?? Currently 1x 717 / 2x CR2.

Hoping the increase in frequency doesn't signal losing the 717, for 4x CR2 instead.


Dummy booking would appear to show 3x CRJ 1x 717. So just increasing capacity by 50 seats daily

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by joeblow10
Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 463
Views: 63923

Re: American Airlines Network Thread 2018

What’s anyone’s thought on adding any new flights to ANC, possibly a new summer seasonal flight to return to PHL or new flights to ORD or CLT. Would AA want to go up against AS and UA at ORD Think a A321neo would be fine on any of those routes though. AA's service to ANC is so atrocious as it is it...

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by joeblow10
Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 602
Views: 90263

Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Here is some information on the new UA bank structure at DEN, partially loaded today and beginning February 14, 2019 DEN eastbound banks on UA (new schedule) 8am 11am 3:30pm and 8pm OR 5:30pm (cities closer to DEN get both on average, more easterly destinations get the ~5:30pm flight) DEN westbound...

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by joeblow10
Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 463
Views: 63923

Re: American Airlines Network Thread 2018

What’s anyone’s thought on adding any new flights to ANC, possibly a new summer seasonal flight to return to PHL or new flights to ORD or CLT. Would AA want to go up against AS and UA at ORD Think a A321neo would be fine on any of those routes though. AA's service to ANC is so atrocious as it is it...

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by joeblow10
Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 602
Views: 90263

Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Here is some information on the new UA bank structure at DEN, partially loaded today and beginning February 14, 2019 DEN eastbound banks on UA (new schedule) 8am 11am 3:30pm and 8pm OR 5:30pm (cities closer to DEN get both on average, more easterly destinations get the ~5:30pm flight) DEN westbound...

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by joeblow10
Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:21 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Still possible to fly Standby (like in the past) in certain countries?
Replies: 3
Views: 1787

Re: Still possible to fly Standby (like in the past) in certain countries?

I was thinking after my ADD-FCO flight with ET if it would still be possible to fly standby as ET sort of offered the same benefits to employees as airlines in the past and still hires majority of its staff and doesn't outsource making me think maybe they do standby? In this case is there any other...

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by joeblow10
Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hurricane Michael
Replies: 48
Views: 6917

Re: Hurricane Micheal

And just to add on, the wind speed probabilities just shifted more Northward (slight change in track but more so the much stronger than expected storm). Now ATL is much closer to having a big problem. Tough to see it not having a major impact - hope they act soon! https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_grap...

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by joeblow10
Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hurricane Michael
Replies: 48
Views: 6917

Re: Hurricane Micheal

I'm supposed to be connecting thru ATL tomorrow - fairly ticked off that DL has not issued a waiver yet. They've kept adding and adding airports and have gotten as close as CSG, but they won't do ATL. I'm not taking chances - I just rebooked on somebody else and will hope they either issue a waiver ...

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by joeblow10
Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA Adds More out of DEN: FAI, CHS, ACV (ACV already mentioned)
Replies: 12
Views: 2539

Re: UA Adds More out of DEN: FAI, CHS, ACV (ACV already mentioned)

Aliqiout wrote:
FAI isn't an "add". This is a seasonal flight resuming.


Well, to be fair, they're calling it an "add" - They haven't flown DEN-FAI in several years. F9 used to do it as well, but both ended years back.

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by joeblow10
Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA Adds More out of DEN: FAI, CHS, ACV (ACV already mentioned)
Replies: 12
Views: 2539

UA Adds More out of DEN: FAI, CHS, ACV (ACV already mentioned)

Starting June 6, 2019 Saw a forum on ACV-DEN, but it looks like FAI and CHS are being added as well. Interesting add with FAI, frankly I'm surprised CHS hadn't come sooner. https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2018/10/09/united-airlines-new-denver-routes-come-amid-rebanked-sch...

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by joeblow10
Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Network Thread 2018
Replies: 884
Views: 92431

Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

Speaking of HDN, there is no way that one is sticking around past this season (and frankly, I'm shocked they haven't just canned it before it started) It's a ski destination, in other words something people usually book far more than 2 months in advance, and look at the seat maps thus far. Simply dr...

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by joeblow10
Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 10/7/2018:AA +CLTRAP,+DFW-HRL/EYW, Drops CLTTUS,CZMMIA;AI Drops EWRLHR;B6 +BOSPSP;DE Drops AUS;DL +DTWLSE
Replies: 94
Views: 12428

Re: OAG Changes 10/7/2018:AA +CLTRAP,+DFW-HRL/EYW, Drops CLTTUS,CZMMIA;AI Drops EWRLHR;B6 +BOSPSP;DE Drops AUS;DL +DTWLS

TUS-CLT was also not helped by being a redeye. Probably a decent route for Eastbound connections but a much smaller market when you factor in the overnight aspect

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by joeblow10
Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Network Thread 2018
Replies: 884
Views: 92431

Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

How are F9 and NK able to survive on MCO-ATL given their average fares are less than $50? Also, any fare data on MIA-SEA and FLL-SEA? F9 and NK also gets a lot of ancillary revenue, so they can survive on lower fares. Whereas someone like WN gets much less ancillary revenue on flight related stuff....

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by joeblow10
Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines to announce new markets soon
Replies: 632
Views: 67012

Re: Alaska Airlines to announce new markets soon

As I said earlier, would predict the next routes we see out of SEA to be to the Northeast. BDL/PVD/ALB/BUF all seem like reasonable bets (though I recognize could be 5-10 yrs before all are realized). COS seems like a logical resumption. Possibly SDF on an E175 as well (though i don't know if that's...

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by joeblow10
Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines to announce new markets soon
Replies: 632
Views: 67012

Re: Alaska Airlines to announce new markets soon

Aren't they starting SEA-CMH this fall? This is an older thread. That poster made that comment well before SEA-CMH was announced. Clearly he got his wish. I'm also a little surprised that SEA-COS hasn't come back yet. Seems like a good market for an E-175. I can't imagine AS starting SEA-BUF. That ...

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by joeblow10
Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA to end CLT-HAV
Replies: 74
Views: 17546

Re: Rumor: AA to end CLT-HAV

I see WN,DL,B6 and UA asking for the slot vs letting AA adding an additional 6th daily slot to MIA. WN will probably request using the slot increase HAV-TPA to 2 daily vs just on newly approved Saturday slot. DL will probably argue it needs an extra HAV-MIA against AA 5 daily flights. B6 will proba...

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by joeblow10
Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EAS program extended for another 5 years.
Replies: 46
Views: 3452

Re: EAS program extended for another 5 years.

EAS is nothing but a socialist leftover from the times before deregulation. Definitely not worthy for a capitalist country. Socialist? In that case, why aren't all interstates/highways user pay toll roads? Strawman alert. Nobody is saying that road connectivity is not crucial to communities. Also, ...

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by joeblow10
Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EAS program extended for another 5 years.
Replies: 46
Views: 3452

Re: EAS program extended for another 5 years.

I must admit I’m generally a limited government limited involvement kinda guy but EAS is the only reasonable way to get into a lot of cities I’ve been to and will need to go in the future. I have no issue with it other than the subsidy levels shouldn’t encourage “stupidity” in terms of service leve...

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by joeblow10
Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EAS program extended for another 5 years.
Replies: 46
Views: 3452

Re: EAS program extended for another 5 years.

I must admit I’m generally a limited government limited involvement kinda guy but EAS is the only reasonable way to get into a lot of cities I’ve been to and will need to go in the future. I have no issue with it other than the subsidy levels shouldn’t encourage “stupidity” in terms of service level...

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by joeblow10
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LF to Announce New Route from MCN 10/3
Replies: 16
Views: 2157

Re: LF to Announce New Route from MCN 10/3

Hmmm.... interesting LF has sent one of their aircraft to three places in the past few weeks - all seem a little odd but certainly not impossible imo One of their E135s has been to JWN (Nashville's John Tune Airport), BDL, and FNL (Northern Colorado Regional) from MCN in the past several weeks. As n...

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by joeblow10
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Hawaii from DAL & HOU?
Replies: 86
Views: 8731

Re: WN Hawaii from DAL & HOU?

Braniff 747s? You do know that Trump took Air Force One into DAL earlier this year? So did Obama during his time in office. Trump was on a 757... No it wasn't. Want proof? OK https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=trump+air+force+1+dallas&view=detail&mid=FC9EF0A4068A0FD1EF45FC9EF0A4068A0FD1EF...

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by joeblow10
Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Hawaii from DAL & HOU?
Replies: 86
Views: 8731

Re: WN Hawaii from DAL & HOU?

DAL runway (one of them) is 8,800 ft. That is plenty for a 737, even on a warm day. Plus, if they flew to Hawaii, it would leave in the AM (prior to noon), which would be the coolest part of the day in the summer. I'm not too familiar with the runway construction history of DAL but how did those Br...

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by joeblow10
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Hawaii from DAL & HOU?
Replies: 86
Views: 8731

Re: WN Hawaii from DAL & HOU?

And lets not forget the very obvious problem of runway length - 7600 at HOU, 8000 at DAL. Even if WN thought to run it, I'd imagine a fully-laden 737 bound for an 8 hour flight to Hawaii would come awfully close to using that entire thing up, especially during Summer months

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