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by pygmalion
Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ANA Wants Boeing To Make 787 Windows Darker
Replies: 65
Views: 24149

RE: ANA Wants Boeing To Make 787 Windows Darker

Typical passenger accommodations are designed for the 5th and 95th percentile male and female. That profile is adjusted for typical country of use. A Japanese airline with mostly domestic usage would size to their 95th percentile population. NASA, SAE, and the aerospace companies all use similar met...

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by pygmalion
Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ANA Wants Boeing To Make 787 Windows Darker
Replies: 65
Views: 24149

RE: ANA Wants Boeing To Make 787 Windows Darker

Lets be honest here too... The mechanical shades are not opaque. They are translucent and still allow some light through. The heat still comes through as well, as anyone who as ever sat in the window seat can attest when their side of the airplane is in the full sun for a few hours. ANY design is a ...

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by pygmalion
Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rave Reviews For Boeings 787
Replies: 122
Views: 31656

RE: Rave Reviews For Boeings 787

Just to add to the confusion... the ANA airplanes have either 264 seats (domestic config, 12C, 252Y) or 158 (international 46 C, 112Y) not 220-250

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by pygmalion
Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: University Pres Sues Delta Over Gun Incident
Replies: 55
Views: 8590

RE: University Pres Sues Delta Over Gun Incident

Lets clear some things up... there is a federal law that allows a gun owner to transport an unloaded handgun between states. That includes in NY as long as they are only passing through. NY law says that if you are "stopping or staying" in NY state, you must have a permit for a handgun and those per...

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by pygmalion
Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Production Thread Part 4
Replies: 260
Views: 48850

RE: 787 Production Thread Part 4

they are preserved prior to being stored and then are humidity controlled both in the tanks and the fuselage.

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by pygmalion
Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Only Earbud-style Headphones Allowed
Replies: 64
Views: 31370

RE: Only Earbud-style Headphones Allowed

Passengers need to be able to hear safety messages in case of an incident during the more critical take off or landing phase. I am actually surprised they allow ear buds.

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by pygmalion
Fri May 25, 2012 6:13 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: How Dangerous Is Skydrol
Replies: 38
Views: 41531

RE: How Dangerous Is Skydrol

You could always tell the mechanics that worked with Skydrol. They were the ones that washed their hands before and after they went to the bathroom. If you were new or forgot to wash before hand... we called the result the skydrol dance. You usually only forget once.

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by pygmalion
Mon May 07, 2012 2:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is The Sonic Cruiser Still Alive?
Replies: 36
Views: 11029

RE: Is The Sonic Cruiser Still Alive?

modern airliners have super critical airfoils and the speed for best cruise is really a function of that and altitude. The swept wing design and airfoils are generally going to drive the cuise mach numbers to the sweet spot around .84-.85

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by pygmalion
Fri May 04, 2012 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is The Sonic Cruiser Still Alive?
Replies: 36
Views: 11029

RE: Is The Sonic Cruiser Still Alive?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/4tet" class="quote" target="_blank">4tet</a> (<a href="#23" class="quote">Reply 23</a>):<br/><i>As per Wiki: .</i></font></td></tr></table> Migh...

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by pygmalion
Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Production Thread Part 3
Replies: 273
Views: 68247

RE: 787 Production Thread Part 3

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/warpspeed" class="quote" target="_blank">warpspeed</a> (<a href="#140" class="quote">Reply 140</a>):<br/><i>The good news is that travel work is...

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by pygmalion
Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 3
Replies: 302
Views: 88349

RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 3

the floor load systems are cables not bars and so therefore tension loads only. Positive G loads are reacted out the belly and negative Gs are reacted out the roof. There is always some tension on the cables just to keep everything in place.

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by pygmalion
Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 3
Replies: 302
Views: 88349

RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 3

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/CM" class="quote" target="_blank">CM</a> (<a href="#120" class="quote">Reply 120</a>):<br/><i> You will find these same fittings on the bottom o...

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by pygmalion
Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LH 7478i Delivery Postponed.
Replies: 148
Views: 60478

LH 7478i Delivery Postponed.

Actually the delivery was today with a delivery ceremony May 1st in Everett and another in Frankfurt on May 2nd.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2232

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by pygmalion
Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Wichita Nailed By Tornado. Boeing Hangar Damaged
Replies: 62
Views: 21220

RE: Wichita Nailed By Tornado. Boeing Hangar Damaged

Images are from yesterday and can be found here <a href="http://www.seattlepi.com/business/boeing/article/Boeing-supplier-damage-not-as-bad-as-feared-3484003.php" target="_blank">http://www.seattlepi.com/business/bo...e-not-as-bad-as-feared-3484003.php</a> here is one example There is no power so th...

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by pygmalion
Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:46 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Electricity On Airliners
Replies: 11
Views: 4671

RE: Electricity On Airliners

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/bikerthai" class="quote" target="_blank">bikerthai</a> (<a href="#9" class="quote">Reply 9</a>):<br/><i> Aluminum is also less prone to corrosio...

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by pygmalion
Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:41 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Lets Start An Airbus Vs Boeing Discussion
Replies: 171
Views: 18254

RE: Lets Start An Airbus Vs Boeing Discussion

I don't have that much experience with Airbus design but from what I have seen, Boeing appears to structurally optimize their designs much more than Airbus does. As an example, where Airbus uses a few stringers commonly across a panel Boeing will optimize each one. This drives up the design and manu...

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by pygmalion
Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Wins FAA Certification For GEnx-Powered 787
Replies: 34
Views: 5741

RE: Boeing Wins FAA Certification For GEnx-Powered 787

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Stitch" class="quote" target="_blank">Stitch</a> (<a href="#25" class="quote">Reply 25</a>):<br/><i>Yes, but Boeing ignored Alcoa's statements o...

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by pygmalion
Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FAA To Rethink Electronics Use Below 10K
Replies: 33
Views: 5138

RE: FAA To Rethink Electronics Use Below 10K

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/jreuschl" class="quote" target="_blank">jreuschl</a> (<a href="#27" class="quote">Reply 27</a>):<br/><i>To say that you cannot use a Kindle beca...

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by pygmalion
Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WTO Says Boeing Got Illegal $5bn Subsidies
Replies: 121
Views: 11789

RE: WTO Says Boeing Got Illegal $5bn Subsidies

There are no payments until delivery. For the A350 that is how long now? <table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quote:<br/><i> Summary of key findings, The Appellate Body today upheld the Panel's finding that ...

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by pygmalion
Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WTO Says Boeing Got Illegal $5bn Subsidies
Replies: 121
Views: 11789

RE: WTO Says Boeing Got Illegal $5bn Subsidies

RLI is a subsidy not only because of the interest rate but also because of the payment terms. Commercial loans that allow you to defer payments for 17 years are just not available at any interest rate. Since they were getting loans that were not on commercial terms with extensively deferred payment ...

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by pygmalion
Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What If 787 And A350 Kill The 777? (Part 1)
Replies: 297
Views: 30700

What If 787 And A350 Kill The 777? (Part 1)

So if the 777x has a composite wing, 5000psi hydraulics and next gen 787 style FBW etc. etc., it might kill itself off but will not compete against the A350 because the 777 is early 1990's technology and the A350 is so new it has no competition.

Got it. I understand now.

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by pygmalion
Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What If 787 And A350 Kill The 777? (Part 1)
Replies: 297
Views: 30700

What If 787 And A350 Kill The 777? (Part 1)

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Daysleeper" class="quote" target="_blank">Daysleeper</a> (<a href="#208" class="quote">Reply 208</a>):<br/><i>Around 10 Billion US has been attr...

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by pygmalion
Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Initial Performance And Reliability
Replies: 36
Views: 20347

RE: 787 Initial Performance And Reliability

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/packsonflight" class="quote" target="_blank">packsonflight</a> (<a href="#19" class="quote">Reply 19</a>):<br/><i>Compering the 787 to other typ...

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by pygmalion
Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What If 787 And A350 Kill The 777? (Part 1)
Replies: 297
Views: 30700

What If 787 And A350 Kill The 777? (Part 1)

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Daysleeper" class="quote" target="_blank">Daysleeper</a> (<a href="#80" class="quote">Reply 80</a>):<br/><i>I don’t doubt that if they sell enou...

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by pygmalion
Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Traces A380 Wing Cracks To Manufacturing Pr
Replies: 93
Views: 33197

RE: Airbus Traces A380 Wing Cracks To Manufacturing Pr

Actually the words we use when applying "good enough" to a part out of specification are

"noted condition is structurally and functionally acceptable to engineering without rework"

But it still means "good enough"

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by pygmalion
Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Traces A380 Wing Cracks To Manufacturing Pr
Replies: 93
Views: 33197

RE: Airbus Traces A380 Wing Cracks To Manufacturing Pr

Lots of good discussions here... let me add my 2 cents from 25+ years of writing MRB engineering dispositions for one of the major airframers.. <acronym title="Albenga (Villanova d'Albenga) (- Clemente Panero) (ALL / LIMG), Italy">ALL</acronym> the engineering specifications are based on risk and be...

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by pygmalion
Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas Grounds One A380 Due To New Cracks
Replies: 64
Views: 25067

RE: Qantas Grounds One A380 Due To New Cracks

lets clear up some wording though. This is an <acronym title="Avialeasing Aviation Co. (Uzbekistan)">AD</acronym> (airworthiness directive) and as for the early inspections it is unscheduled and therefore those airplanes are AOG while they are inspected and any interim rework is done. Later on this ...

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by pygmalion
Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Traces A380 Wing Cracks To Manufacturing Pr
Replies: 93
Views: 33197

RE: Airbus Traces A380 Wing Cracks To Manufacturing Pr

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/AngMoh" class="quote" target="_blank">AngMoh</a> (<a href="#64" class="quote">Reply 64</a>):<br/><i>The bad news: the checks have now been exten...

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by pygmalion
Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Achieves 96.3% Dispatch Reliability
Replies: 61
Views: 23094

RE: 787 Achieves 96.3% Dispatch Reliability

just to level set... here is an article from Flightglobal about the A380 two years into service. (Jan 2010) Some quotes: <table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quote:<br/><i><acronym title="Xian - Xiguan (SIA ...

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by pygmalion
Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records
Replies: 93
Views: 29841

RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Pilot? Oh you mean the dedicated computer "Paul the Pilot"  

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by pygmalion
Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will A350 Have Similar Delays To B787?
Replies: 94
Views: 14886

RE: Will A350 Have Similar Delays To B787?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/abba" class="quote" target="_blank">abba</a> (<a href="#71" class="quote">Reply 71</a>):<br/><i>But as has been stated by others, the philosophy...

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by pygmalion
Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How Is The 787 A "Game Changing" Airplane?
Replies: 110
Views: 21213

RE: How Is The 787 A "Game Changing" Airplane?

The 787 is already a game changer...

Its large number of sales with the composite technology and the rest forced Airbus to revise the first A350 into the A350-XWB with CFRP panels etc..

It changed the game

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by pygmalion
Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Gets Common Type Rating With 777
Replies: 42
Views: 34993

RE: 787 Gets Common Type Rating With 777

The 5 days does include simulator time. Time in training depends on the pilot's existing training levels and time in seat and the specific aircraft configuration they are transitioning from. The 5 days is how long it takes to take a current 777 PIC or SIC to a 787 PIC or SIC and includes sim time. T...

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by pygmalion
Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Gets Common Type Rating With 777
Replies: 42
Views: 34993

RE: 787 Gets Common Type Rating With 777

yes. Training is about 5 days. Seat time in a 777 counts in a 787, all you need is the differences training. HUD, system differences etc.

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by pygmalion
Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Gets Common Type Rating With 777
Replies: 42
Views: 34993

RE: 787 Gets Common Type Rating With 777

I know Boeing was working towards that from the beginning. Common rating was granted as part of the initial type certification granted on August 26th <table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quote:<br/><i>2. PIL...

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by pygmalion
Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Gets Common Type Rating With 777
Replies: 42
Views: 34993

787 Gets Common Type Rating With 777

FAA has released the Standardization Board Report for the 787-8 type certificate and per the FAA, the 787 and the 777 share a common type rating.

http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/fsb/b-787_fsb.pdf

this is good news for Boeing

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by pygmalion
Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:45 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A400M Flight Test Prototypes
Replies: 157
Views: 35059

RE: A400M Flight Test Prototypes

Russians also had the Bear with counter rotating propellers

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by pygmalion
Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:33 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: New Airforce One... Finally!
Replies: 197
Views: 32168

RE: New Airforce One... Finally!

lets be clear though... even if Obama ordered a new AF1, he'd never fly in it. Gates said its for 2017, thats after Obama leaves office even if he gets a second term.

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by pygmalion
Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:36 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why Don't Flaps Fly Off?
Replies: 33
Views: 33609

RE: Why Don't Flaps Fly Off?

On the 747-400, the flap tracks are actually two C beams bolted together back to back. Either beam will carry full flap loads. (dual load path redundant structure) They are made from 220+ KSI high strength steel, heat treated and shot peened. Similar material to the landing gear struts. You could ha...

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by pygmalion
Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:50 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Boeing Vs Airbus Climbout Rates
Replies: 36
Views: 19881

RE: Boeing Vs Airbus Climbout Rates

Service ceiling is a technical definition set by regulation. So the criteria are the same for both Airbus and Boeing. It is not a marketing thing.

Just like rotation speeds, etc. the service ceiling is determined by straight forward analysis of the data.

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by pygmalion
Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:10 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Actual T/O Weight A Mystery?
Replies: 27
Views: 6122

RE: Actual T/O Weight A Mystery?

there are not insignificant margins built into the limits by the manufacturers. Example: Sizing of the mainlnading gear. One key criteria is a maximum weight landing at or near late landing phase max descent rate. This calculation is a big factor in sizing the gear struts and the attachements of the...

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by pygmalion
Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:52 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: B777 Landing Gear Wiring
Replies: 2
Views: 5643

RE: B777 Landing Gear Wiring

what you see is the protective covering over the stainless braided flex conduits that hold the wiring and the hydraulic lines. the wiring is INSIDE all that. The 777 has a steerable aft bogie and needs hyd lines over and above the braking system and sensor wiring for the axle tilt, ABS etc. Besides ...

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by pygmalion
Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:29 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 757 Wing "widget"
Replies: 13
Views: 8729

RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Actually no.... they are attach points for a fall protection safety harness rope for people working out on the wing. Especially over the struts where people on the wing are getting near the edge especially wet and icy ones. in the 90 seconds you get to evacuate, you don't get time to tie down the sl...

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by pygmalion
Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:06 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Questions Regarding Spar Construction
Replies: 45
Views: 8531

RE: Questions Regarding Spar Construction

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by pygmalion
Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:25 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-X Tanker Rebid Starts Wednesday 8-6-2008
Replies: 401
Views: 26182

RE: KC-X Tanker Rebid Starts Wednesday 8-6-2008

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by pygmalion
Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:29 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-X Tanker Rebid Starts Wednesday 8-6-2008
Replies: 401
Views: 26182

RE: KC-X Tanker Rebid Starts Wednesday 8-6-2008

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by pygmalion
Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:42 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-X Tanker Rebid Starts Wednesday 8-6-2008
Replies: 401
Views: 26182

RE: KC-X Tanker Rebid Starts Wednesday 8-6-2008

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by pygmalion
Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:22 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Navy Pilots Holding Cameras While Landing?
Replies: 38
Views: 5996

RE: Navy Pilots Holding Cameras While Landing?

Could easily be filmed by the Bombadier/Navigator (right seat) on a A6E or KA6D, no stick, no real landing duties except to hold on and watch for traffic in the pattern. Once on final his hands are free.

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by pygmalion
Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:01 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: AF To Rebid Tanker Replacement
Replies: 226
Views: 15831

RE: AF To Rebid Tanker Replacement

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by pygmalion
Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:22 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: AF To Rebid Tanker Replacement
Replies: 226
Views: 15831

RE: AF To Rebid Tanker Replacement

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