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by FluidFlow
Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191989

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

SW is using some very creative accounting to get to that $828 Million loss. Sorry but having more aircraft in the fleet would not be helping the Load Factor. That is the big reason for the earnings miss. They are saying the MAX grounding impacted Operating Earnings by $828 Million. On average they ...

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by FluidFlow
Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1770
Views: 174745

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

In fact this could essentially replace black box technology - where all information on a flight is being continuously relayed to home base. If the bandwidth on Satellite's is not available yet it will be very soon. Plus we are not talking about tracking 100's of Millions of Cars. We are talking abo...

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by FluidFlow
Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191989

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Southwest says the grounding has cost it over 800 million dollars and for AA it seems to be around 540 million dollars. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/23/business/southwest-american-airlines-earnings/index.html This is for around 8 months of grounding. If we add another 8 months until next August ...

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by FluidFlow
Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191989

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Southwest says the grounding has cost it over 800 million dollars and for AA it seems to be around 540 million dollars. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/23/business/southwest-american-airlines-earnings/index.html This is for around 8 months of grounding. If we add another 8 months until next August w...

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by FluidFlow
Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1770
Views: 174745

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

Seattle Times ( https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/new-boeing-ceo-calhoun-says-employee-confidence-is-shaken-my-job-is-to-restore-it/ ) reports: Calhoun announced that the development work Boeing has been doing for several years on the NMA is starting over. “We might have to sta...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI
Replies: 39
Views: 8891

Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Currently -14F in FAI. Hopefully, they won't have to do an engine change. Friends did an engine change in a C-5 at Eielson AFB one winter—8 days which, being outdoors in the -30F weather for four hours a day, wasn’t too bad. LX did one in February '17 with an outside temperature of -30°C in Iqaluit...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A321 P2F first flight
Replies: 119
Views: 30612

Re: A321 P2F first flight

A320/A321P2F will be a game changer on on the narrow bodied jet freighter market, especially since B737F and B757F do not have containerised lower deck capabilities. Considering how popular the 757 has been as a freighter, that point appears to be irrelevant to freight haulers. It's not irrelevant....

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BSL reaches new record of over 9 million pax in 2019
Replies: 9
Views: 1272

Re: BSL reaches new record of over 9 million pax in 2019

And it is still a special situation as there are different custom rules. So while you can travel free between the EU and Switzerland your goods can not. That is one of the reasons there is still a French and a Swiss "exit".

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Davos WEF 2020 thread
Replies: 10
Views: 1294

Re: Davos WEF 2020 thread

ACH gets a good amount of movements as well, as ZRH can become really busy and parking space is very limited (and super expensive). I wonder if there will be a few also flying to SMV if they find enough pilots who are able to fly there. Really impressive to see bigger birds there when they have to s...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bombardier reassessing future participation in Airbus Canada Limited Partnership
Replies: 234
Views: 25073

Re: Bombardier reassessing future participation in Airbus Canada Limited Partnership

Getting a big pile of expensive R&D for "free" with he biggest string attached to this R&D is an aircraft that has the possibility to sell 1000+, probably 2000+ frames over its lifetime is not a bad deal at all. Even if at the end of the A220 in 15 years+ there is a loss of 2B for ...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus to start producing A321neo in Toulouse
Replies: 21
Views: 4050

Re: Airbus to start producing A321neo in Toulouse

Free's up the old A320 building for something new, possibly A220 if enough orders allow for increased production in the future. 4 in Mobile, 8 in Mirabel and 8 in Toulouse for a total of 20 per month in 2027.

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by FluidFlow
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bombardier reassessing future participation in Airbus Canada Limited Partnership
Replies: 234
Views: 25073

Re: Bombardier reassessing future participation in Airbus Canada Limited Partnership

I'm sure Airbus could take advantage of the situation BBD finds itself in to buy out the whole program and fund it at a level that would support aggressive ramp up of production. It'll be darned interesting to see if they end up doing so. I think this is the reason up to now the ramp up was relativ...

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by FluidFlow
Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FD uses ladder to extract pax from upper deck of a380 on med divert.
Replies: 9
Views: 2566

Re: FD uses ladder to extract pax from upper deck of a380 on med divert.

Probably because you can load the passenger onto the little platform atop the ladder and either lower said platform along the ladder or most probably lower the ladder with the platform to ground level. It then works like an elevator. I admit I did not think of the ladder as being equipped with such...

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by FluidFlow
Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FD uses ladder to extract pax from upper deck of a380 on med divert.
Replies: 9
Views: 2566

Re: FD uses ladder to extract pax from upper deck of a380 on med divert.

Probably because you can load the passenger onto the little platform atop the ladder and either lower said platform along the ladder or most probably lower the ladder with the platform to ground level. It then works like an elevator.

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by FluidFlow
Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing orders from China could resume now that trade deal is signed
Replies: 85
Views: 8322

Re: Boeing orders from China could resume now that trade deal is signed

But what becomes of the prospect of an NMA in this region? I do not remember that YOU supported this idea. You rather agreed with those who think that Boeing failed to close their business case, and that it will NEVER do it, right? "This growth is also supported by the use of smaller widebodie...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191989

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

I believe the 777X got a new wing box and gear - no idea if it's higher clearance though. https://www.flightglobal.com/systems-and-interiors/subaru-gears-up-for-777x-with-eye-on-efficiency-cost/130538.article Exactly and they still could grandfather the rest of the frame. But for the 737 Boeing dec...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191989

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

We need to add it to the list of things to address to fix problems across the industry. I gave a perfectly reasonable explanation of what is wrong with the rigid framework of grandfathering. It was more expensive to develop MCAS and move the engines forward than it would have been to raise the land...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191989

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

We need to add it to the list of things to address to fix problems across the industry. I gave a perfectly reasonable explanation of what is wrong with the rigid framework of grandfathering. It was more expensive to develop MCAS and move the engines forward than it would have been to raise the land...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191989

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

It wasn't impossible or unreasonable. The rules were wrong. They should have been changed. So we need to add " The rules were wrong " to the list of reasons why it's not Boeing's fault? We need to add it to the list of things to address to fix problems across the industry. I gave a perfec...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration
Replies: 834
Views: 125251

Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

FluidFlow Perhaps people should have a choice. Just read your post again, they do have a choice already. A private corporation does not need to provide a choice to anyone. Therefore if said private company is worried about the bad image its core business has due to the impact on the environment it ...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration
Replies: 834
Views: 125251

Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

I think with the current environmental protest movement and increased awareness in the UK that would be an interesting move. But to be fair, many services that flybe run the competing rail journey is horendou. The global Co2 contribution by air travel is the same as the environmental impact of clou...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 270
Views: 44988

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020

GVA also urgently needs a refurbishment especially in the area where security is. Last time I had to use it it was a horrible experience. That was three years ago through and it might be better now but back then it was awful.

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration
Replies: 834
Views: 125251

Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

I get that, the problem is more, where do you get the passengers from for this Routes. Apart from NI, that is on a different island, you have the business traffic but will it increase? Do you think there will be a massive boost in leisure traffic from removing the tax? Leisure in the UK goes abroad...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AC35 diverts to HNL after passenger dies onboard.
Replies: 56
Views: 13499

Re: AC35 diverts to HNL after passenger dies onboard.

Was the medical condition known to the airline? It should be if you go into the conditions of carriage. Depending on the actual cause of death and the knowledge of said it might be better to divert and get the other passengers out of the aircraft. Noumea, Port Vila, Nandi, Apia, and Pago Pago were ...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration
Replies: 834
Views: 125251

Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

I would not call it a massive boost as the cut only applies to domestic routes. The UK domestic market is a really small percentage of the total UK aviation market that almost in its entirety flies abroad. LON-GLA/EDI/ABZ/INV/BHD/BFS/NQY/DND for example. That's not considering deps ex BRS/MAN/EDI/G...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration
Replies: 834
Views: 125251

Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Regarding APD, it is being reported that the UK government will enter into talks with BE specifically but also with other airline bosses about the distinct possibility of an ADP reduction/revocation. This cannot be done for BE alone as this would essentially mean that "state aid" is being...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AC35 diverts to HNL after passenger dies onboard.
Replies: 56
Views: 13499

Re: AC35 diverts to HNL after passenger dies onboard.

I don’t see the point in diverting for an apparent death in flight. Especially for a passenger with a known medical condition. Was the medical condition known to the airline? Depending on the actual cause of death and the knowledge of said it might be better to divert and get the other passengers o...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2019 was a good year for Airbus. 2020 will be even better.
Replies: 53
Views: 7375

Re: 2019 was a good year for Airbus. 2020 will be even better.

The shape of the supercritical A310 and A320 aerofoils are quite similar, but the trailing edge of the A310 is very different to that of the A320. An A310neo could use the same centre wing box design as that of the A310-200/-300. However, since an A310neo should be designed with continuous flaps an...

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by FluidFlow
Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future More Effficient Narrowbody Fleet, without A320/737-8(00). New trend?
Replies: 10
Views: 1843

Re: Future More Effficient Narrowbody Fleet, without A320/737-8(00). New trend?

If we see the range increase the A32X had over time, I assume the A22X will have the same increase and will slowly shift the A320 out of the market as it is lighter and more efficient. This leaves the A321neo as the Core and main model of the A320 family. Slowly a limit is reached with the 101t MTO...

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by FluidFlow
Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future More Effficient Narrowbody Fleet, without A320/737-8(00). New trend?
Replies: 10
Views: 1843

Re: Future More Effficient Narrowbody Fleet, without A320/737-8(00). New trend?

If we see the range increase the A32X had over time, I assume the A22X will have the same increase and will slowly shift the A320 out of the market as it is lighter and more efficient. This leaves the A321neo as the Core and main model of the A320 family. Slowly a limit is reached with the 101t MTOW...

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by FluidFlow
Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 297629

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

If you look at big enough groups of people, there are always certain individuals that are not gifted with intelligence. Every military force has them and depending on the recruiting practices most militaries have an above average count of them. That is why there are always signs around every militar...

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by FluidFlow
Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 399
Views: 56761

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

First, congrats. That increases A321 production capacity (short, IMHO). What quantity of planes per year is 7 per month from Airbus? US practice is 84, but is this the 11 month calendar year? Lightsaber Does Mobile has a maximum possible capacity of 8 or 10 a month? And how high does this boost tot...

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by FluidFlow
Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 399
Views: 56761

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Airbus will boost its NEO production in Mobile to 7 aircraft per month: https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2020/01/airbus-announces-increased-investment-expansion-of-aircraft-manufacturing-in-the-us.html Airbus is ramping up A320-fam production from its Mobile, Ala. plant from 5 to 7...

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by FluidFlow
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta “Waiting To Order” Boeing NMA
Replies: 232
Views: 28888

Re: Delta “Waiting To Order” Boeing NMA

Delta will need to replace a lot of aircraft between the A220 and the A321 in the next 10-15 years. If the new Boeing Aircraft fits there they will order it if the price is right. Boeing will also need to launch a 737 replacement and better sooner than later. So a perfect match.

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191989

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

“Spirit AeroSystems offers voluntary layoffs amid Boeing 737 Max uncertainty” https://www.kansas.com/news/business/article239009448.html Inevitable.. so once these employees are gone and have found jobs elsewhere.. good luck in ramping up production again. “ Wichita’s largest employer Spirit Aerosy...

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by FluidFlow
Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191989

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Why haven't any customers cancelled orders for the MAX and switched to Airbus instead? And wait till 2028 for their aircraft? If you have the MAX on order you might never get a cheaper aircraft ever. A newly built aircraft for almost nothing with just a year delay. Do not forget the airlines will g...

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by FluidFlow
Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Does a 737 Max 10 really need MCAS?
Replies: 43
Views: 9957

Re: Does a 737 Max 10 really need MCAS?

Why not certify the -10 as an independent type from the -8/9 and get over all the trouble at the cost of a different pilot pool.

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by FluidFlow
Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191989

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Since the grounding started debt has increased by about $7Billion. They paid for the rest of the undelivered frames from Cash/Cash Flow. At an average of say 3% per year that's less than $20Million per month in interest which is peanuts. When/If they deliver those frames they will have $20+ Billion...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191989

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

So any insights on when the grounding REALLY hits SWA and other operators? Wouldn't each airline time some of its MAX arrivals on property to coincide with the retirement of its oldest 737s? Surely there would've been some months of "margin for error" to account for accepting and preparin...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191989

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Just a quick look and approx airframe cost is $100,000,000. With 400 frames on the ground that’s 40 billion dollars of inventory , that’s borrowed money, interest having to be paid. The list price of a 737-8 is $121 million. Airlines typically pay about 50% of list, so the build cost is going to be...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191989

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

A better way to look at Airline's losses is the cost to lease in extra Capacity less the difference in Fuel Expense. According to this great post by Lightsaber https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1424243 737-800 lease costs are about $250,000 per month - call it $3,000,000 per year. MAX...

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by FluidFlow
Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 749245

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended

The less stable a platform (aerodynamically, mechanically, electrically, or whatever), the less effort is needed to take it out of the stable condition. That effort could be control force (control column), but also atmospheric disturbance (turbulence). So would you agree that sometimes Turbulence c...

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by FluidFlow
Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 749245

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended

I give up. No one seems to want to answer my question of why the US would allow other nations to determine whether a US product can fly in US airspace. As for Boeing. If I were in a leadership position I'd give the FAA whatever they asked for and not say anythinf else to them. Just leave them be. T...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Dec 25, 2019 7:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 749245

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended

Halting production could end up really nasty. Is Boeing paying the suppliers to stay in line? Especially second and third tier suppliers could find new contracts and start producing different stuff and this will hurt Boeing a lot as this leads to time consuming search and certification costs to find...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 749245

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended

Not sure why these links do not work: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-ftjv#221ffb73 https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-gehy#221fde12 https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-fscy#224cd53f https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-frax#22a7893d Those links should al...

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by FluidFlow
Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa replacing Eurowings long haul by another brand?
Replies: 26
Views: 6668

Re: Lufthansa replacing Eurowings long haul by another brand?

:stirthepot: Perhaps LH will buy JOON... And perhaps brand it as Joon Go/Play/Now/Be/Cum ect by Lufthansa You missed SHOT, which would brand perfectly as sHOT if you translate the Hot part in German. But then LH should buy into this for the full sHOT experience... ultra dense 737-8200 no service (f...

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by FluidFlow
Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 749245

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended

Air Canada flew theirs to the desert within what I would call "normal" conditions. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-ftjv#221ffb73 https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-gehy There are plenty of other examples your own examples have me following output: "Sorry, but...

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by FluidFlow
Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 749245

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended

The sales pitch of western airframe sellers is automation, fewer crew members and cheap and easy training. What you are suggesting is to buy a Tupolov. Nothing wrong with all western stuff. It's the American stuff which is really not reliable enough. And it's not a recent phenomenon. Been like this...

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by FluidFlow
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 749245

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

It is rumored and I think in the case of WN confirmed that Boeing faces contractual penalties of 1m$ per frame if additional training (simulator time) is needed. So that is independent of the grounding. It is part of the sales contract. My point is that I do not think that is a significant enough s...

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by FluidFlow
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 749245

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

The cost of training is huge. If the reported $1 million per MAX to Southwest is true and that had to be extended to all customers, you're talking over $5 billion on top of the cost they've already incurred (assuming over 5,000 units delivered). A couple of extra months grounded and racking up comp...

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