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by FluidFlow
Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 183
Views: 30754

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020

If you do not have a GA (yearly ticket for trains and buses) your return to Basel is 50.- from Zürich if you have a half fare card. Otherwise it is 100.-. So you do not safe that much. Parking is an option but for a two week trip it will cost you pay a minimum of 156.-. ( https://www.euroairport.co...

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by FluidFlow
Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 183
Views: 30754

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020

Many countries impose an aviation tax... people who connect via the country in question are exempt from the tax, but people whose journeys begin in the country are liable. Thus a person flying Paris-Zurich-Tokyo might be exempt from the tax but a person flying Geneva-Zurich-Tokyo or Geneva-Paris-To...

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by FluidFlow
Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 183
Views: 30754

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020

Many countries impose an aviation tax... people who connect via the country in question are exempt from the tax, but people whose journeys begin in the country are liable. Thus a person flying Paris-Zurich-Tokyo might be exempt from the tax but a person flying Geneva-Zurich-Tokyo or Geneva-Paris-To...

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by FluidFlow
Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines post Q2 2020 Earnings
Replies: 39
Views: 11704

Re: United Airlines post Q2 2020 Earnings

My company is not making anything required for travel until there is a vaccine. I have been told 'off the record' that they will not even require many of us to go into an office until that time as well. It was explained that it is all about risk and liability (lawyers). The thinking that my company...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian B77F on fire at PVG
Replies: 93
Views: 29527

Re: Ethiopian B77F on fire at PVG

If they can extinguish the fire at least a lot of the expensive engine and avionics parts can still be salvaged and sold. Current market environment will reduce prices but at least its something.

Hopefully no one got hurt.

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Large German Corporations Lobbying Against Advance Payments for Airline Tickets
Replies: 109
Views: 13753

Re: Large German Corporations Lobbying Against Advance Payments for Airline Tickets

[twoid][/twoid] I would be interested to understand that statement better. All airlines? Or some? And what companies in comparable situations perform better and why is that? Thanks! A lot of airlines came into this pandemic with massive liabilities and debts that were barely sustainable in the firs...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Large German Corporations Lobbying Against Advance Payments for Airline Tickets
Replies: 109
Views: 13753

Re: Large German Corporations Lobbying Against Advance Payments for Airline Tickets

The problem is that most airlines are actually managed really bad compared to other companies in highly competitive markets. I would be interested to understand that statement better. All airlines? Or some? And what companies in comparable situations perform better and why is that? Thanks! A lot of...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Large German Corporations Lobbying Against Advance Payments for Airline Tickets
Replies: 109
Views: 13753

Re: Large German Corporations Lobbying Against Advance Payments for Airline Tickets

The real steal is actually that we as customers give the airline an interest free loan. The airlines borrow our money for a possible future service at no cost. Even the risk is not shared but we carry that too. A really good business to be in, if you can manage it. The problem is that most airlines ...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta airlines Q2 2020 earnings thread
Replies: 128
Views: 14772

Re: DAL Q2 2020 earnings thread

What I find most striking is the acceleration of construction projects at LAX, LGA, and SLC. I incorrectly assumed those capital investments would be extended to preserve liquidity. Very smart move though as it takes advantage of uncrowded facilities and positions them for competitive advantage onc...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020
Replies: 1461
Views: 4132

Re: Emirates: 777X further delayed until 2022, considering to convert more orders to 787

This is a generalization and I don’t mean to put words in people’s mouth. But I thing people misrepresent the industry wide-body growth by calling it downsizing. The 787 and a350 are efficient and arguably have some of the best profitability for their manufacturers and operators alike. Airlines tha...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020
Replies: 1461
Views: 4132

Re: Emirates: 777X further delayed until 2022, considering to convert more orders to 787

You are really optimistic. I can not see how the market will recover enough to allow airlines to buy a lot of 777X. And I am not talking about the market of passengers being back to normal. Many if not almost all airlines will leave this crisis either bankrupt or with a massive dept burden. All the...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020
Replies: 1461
Views: 4132

Re: Emirates: 777X further delayed until 2022, considering to convert more orders to 787

You are really optimistic. I can not see how the market will recover enough to allow airlines to buy a lot of 777X. And I am not talking about the market of passengers being back to normal. Many if not almost all airlines will leave this crisis either bankrupt or with a massive dept burden. All the ...

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by FluidFlow
Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Transatlantic flights between US and UK in the Post Covid-19
Replies: 13
Views: 3267

Re: Transatlantic flights between US and UK in the Post Covid-19

TATL will be "dead" as long as one side or the other (or both) do not have the virus under control. Right now it is out of control on the western side so there is restriction in place and rightly so. TBH I think that there will be no recovery of TATL flying until next spring (excluding Can...

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by FluidFlow
Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Large German Corporations Lobbying Against Advance Payments for Airline Tickets
Replies: 109
Views: 13753

Re: Large German Corporations Lobbying Against Advance Payments for Airline Tickets

The problem is that regardless of the price of the ticket / fare class airlines have not been refunding according to their statutory obligations as their business model is based on interest free credits provided by their customers.. I can see your point here, but on the flip side it is not the airl...

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by FluidFlow
Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did people really fly all the way on flights like this?
Replies: 119
Views: 29566

Re: Did people really fly all the way on flights like this?

Looking at some old flight schedules, I am seeing some incredible multi-stop flights on routes that spanned the far corners of the globe. For example.... I am looking at an OAG from 1980 and I am seeing a 5-stop Swissair flight from Geneva to Tokyo with en route stops in Zurich, Athens, Bombay, Ban...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CARES Act Aid Extension for Airlines
Replies: 86
Views: 12567

Re: CARES Act Aid Extension for Airlines

Most people dont have the money for Part 135 travel. The problem will be that most people will not have the money to travel. That is the problem when you lose your job. A lot of people especially in the US lost their job and it might not come back soon especially with the first wave still raging an...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of IAG post-pandemic
Replies: 55
Views: 6706

Re: Future of IAG post-pandemic

Isn't it impossible to tell when demand will start to recover? If a vaccin would be available early next year, why would it take three more years for travel to rebounce? As soon as flying is safe again, healthwise speaking, the public will start to book again. The vaccine is just wishful thinking. ...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Winter 2020
Replies: 97
Views: 20333

Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Winter 2020

Unfortunately, I think the leasing companies are in trouble as you note. I'm not sure what demand will be or more precisely how the recovery curve will be. Their troubles may depend on how much they can earn with the sale-and-leaseback market. BOC Aviation seems to be able to get some deals from ai...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 57787

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

Which again assuming that sales split held on the MAX, explains why the two crashes were both MAX-8s. Up to the two crashes only the MAX-8s were certified and delivered so there was no chance that any other variant of the MAX could crash as none were in service. Nope -9's were operating by then as ...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CN3 order 105 ARJ21s from COMAC
Replies: 102
Views: 22337

Re: CN3 order 105 ARJ21s from COMAC

Thanks qf789 for the pictures.

The parking break is perfectly located for a good drift on a wet runway.

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 57787

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

BowlingShoeDC9 wrote:
Which again assuming that sales split held on the MAX, explains why the two crashes were both MAX-8s.


Up to the two crashes only the MAX-8s were certified and delivered so there was no chance that any other variant of the MAX could crash as none were in service.

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by FluidFlow
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fake pilot licenses in Pakistan?
Replies: 59
Views: 13974

Re: Fake pilot licenses in Pakistan?

This goes to the very culturally "sensitive" topics like, why do "Western" crews simply crash less often? They are from a culture that does not tolerate fake credentials, but it does allows collaborative thinking. Yes, nobody is perfect. The 737 Max certification story shows we ...

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by FluidFlow
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Majority of LH Shareholders are Voting for Rescue Package
Replies: 515
Views: 64183

Re: Updated: Majority of LH Shareholders are Voting for Rescue Package

Great news for Lufthansa and its workers. Thiele is your hero. Anyone want to bet that they're going to be asking more money by Christmas time? Germany will be brought to its knees. Heavily industrialised countries have more to lose in this crisis. I predict that LH will be bankrupt by next spring,...

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by FluidFlow
Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 57787

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

EASA and Transport Canada requiring Boeing to upgrade their flight control systems on the 737MAX. FAA has ordered Boeing to comply to satisfy their concerns. Upgrades must be ASAP after RTS. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/foreign-regulators-demand-substantial-new-changes-to-...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aberdeen ground collision
Replies: 31
Views: 7573

Re: Aberdeen ground collision

More photos here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-53076806 https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/0BA8/production/_112948920_plane2.jpg https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11930/production/_112948917_plane1.jpg So, that's how Scottish planes mate, thin...

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by FluidFlow
Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 57787

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

The catch is the entire supply of such individuals in this country is already working for Boeing. Ahh, but now you run into the strength of government, since they play with monopoly money, they can easily implement a retirement age for those engineers of 50 years at Boeing then 10 years at the FAA ...

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by FluidFlow
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"
Replies: 217
Views: 39319

Re: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"

The A220 is like the 787. A really advanced aircraft that loses money for years until it will bring in a lot of return. Or that is the hope

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: France Announces Huge Aerospace Support Plan
Replies: 60
Views: 7367

Re: France Announces Huge Aerospace Support Plan

It may be that for aviation the best way is synfuel made from electricity, heat, water and atmospheric CO2, with H2 as an intermediary. Synthetic fuels are not really viable. Filtering atmospheric CO2 is a lot of work due to its low concentration. It'd be easier to distill ocean water and convert i...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: France Announces Huge Aerospace Support Plan
Replies: 60
Views: 7367

Re: France Announces Huge Aerospace Support Plan

Also, while H2 would eliminate CO2 it would put out a lot more water vapor at high altitude, whether used in turbines or fuel cells. Not sure what impact that would have. You sure about the water vapor at that it will be a lot more ? In general, jet fueled turbines already release a lot of water va...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Sales Considering Moving Up 777-8F Program? (Leeham News)
Replies: 48
Views: 8110

Re: Boeing Sales Considering Moving Up 777-8F Program? (Leeham News)

I think it is important to gear the 777-8 towards freight even if this means a higher OEW and therefore "ruining it" for passenger operation. Dimension everything to get the highest possible landing weight as well as a strong cabin floor. For a freighter a 5t higher OEW is no problem when ...

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by FluidFlow
Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Austria to introduce minimum price for plane tickets
Replies: 176
Views: 16647

Re: Austria to introduce minimum price for plane tickets

For me the funniest part of all this is that the Austrian government expect LH Group to expand VIE at the same rate as FRA and MUC. What planet are they on? Austrian Airlines is struggling financially and its home market is currently under attack by the LCCs. Not to mention that Wizz Air just annou...

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by FluidFlow
Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]
Replies: 127
Views: 18561

Re: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]

A really green TP, even better with hybrid technology (recover energy during approach similar to a ram-air turbine) and then using the excess energy again during take off) would be a perfect fit for the European market, especially if it sits 150 people. Most trunk routes are really short and with fu...

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by FluidFlow
Thu May 28, 2020 6:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1668
Views: 316579

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

I would agree on the Barrel weight savings. I'll try to find it again - I linked it in the NMA threads but there was study done on an A320 Barrel - The Aluminum barrel was about 3% of MTOW - Carbon saved about 1% of MTOW. I think it is important to know, that this is most probably the naked barrel ...

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by FluidFlow
Tue May 26, 2020 3:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Majority of LH Shareholders are Voting for Rescue Package
Replies: 515
Views: 64183

Re: Lufthansa: 10B EUR bailout - Update

Agreement reached, now pending approval of EU, LH board and Germand Covid-19 fund steering committee. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-lufthansa-rescue/lufthansa-german-government-agree-on-rescue-package-dpa-idUSKBN23110F Will be interesting see if EU just rolls over and accept...

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by FluidFlow
Tue May 26, 2020 2:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Pays $62m to Cancel purchase of 4 used A350s from LATAM
Replies: 105
Views: 19787

Re: Delta Pays $62m to Cancel A350 Purchase from LATAM

Basically, here is the logic: -DL still wants the JV to happen, and now the JV would have to occur with the “new LATAM” (after Chpt 11 company) as opposed to the “old LATAM” (which basically becomes a holding company through the bankruptcy process). I am not focusing on what the “old LATAM” wants, ...

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by FluidFlow
Fri May 22, 2020 8:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155086

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Would fuel exhaustion produce the fireball we see when they crashed? Fuel fumes are more explosive than the fuel itself (TWA800). I would say yes. It would also depend what they hit on the ground. To be fair I do not know a lot about housing in Karachi or Pakistan in general but how do most Househo...

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by FluidFlow
Fri May 22, 2020 1:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155086

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Bellylanded and then go around. They must have initiated the go around before they touched down but too late to actually make a go around. Somehow a weird decision. If the gear was not in place, they should have made a go around way earlier so the engines do not ever be close to the ground. That la...

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by FluidFlow
Fri May 22, 2020 1:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Majority of LH Shareholders are Voting for Rescue Package
Replies: 515
Views: 64183

Re: Lufthansa: 10B EUR bailout - Update

News is coming in that the german government demands LH does not cancel any Airbus orders. Well there you go. Things like this happens when government gets power in companies. Obvious decision, as the German government would be stake holders in Airbus and LH, so thats that. If this is good or bad i...

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by FluidFlow
Fri May 22, 2020 8:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France A380 retirement/parking thread
Replies: 483
Views: 61594

Re: Air France to retire A380 fleet effective immediately

I think in the long run the only airline that might be able to make the A380 work would be BA, especially with Gatwick gone (?) and LHR never getting a third runway. The A380 might work at CDG if AF would not be AFKLM and AMS is just around the corner. Same problem will kill the A380 and 747 at LH, ...

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by FluidFlow
Sat May 16, 2020 7:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aviation sector unpaid leaves and layoffs thread
Replies: 202
Views: 33196

Re: Airlines Job Cuts

Really hard will it be if bases get closed and you might be senior enough to not lose your job but your job is now in ORD instead of DEN (just as an example).
Now what do you do?

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by FluidFlow
Tue May 12, 2020 6:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: A major US airline likely will go out of business this year,
Replies: 308
Views: 41669

Re: Boeing CEO: A major US airline likely will go out of business this year,

How on earth do people expect low-cost airlines to survive when full service airlines can't even survive? Because in an economic downturn, people can still afford a low-cost ticket I would say. But can a low-cost airline afford the social distancing and health measures required for coronavirus? Tha...

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by FluidFlow
Mon May 11, 2020 12:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic creditors aprove restructuring; (files for BK in US Court)
Replies: 1516
Views: 183630

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Only on the proportion of work that is carried out in the U.K. For a Virgin pilot that amount is obviously minimal, usually falls inside the tax free allowance and, for the extreme case where it doesn’t, is normally taken care of by the dual tax agreements betwe⁸en the two countries. Anyway thread ...

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by FluidFlow
Mon May 11, 2020 10:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic creditors aprove restructuring; (files for BK in US Court)
Replies: 1516
Views: 183630

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

The only way forward for VS is in my opinion to cut the fleet in half, get rid of all the 787s, close everything except for LHR and get all the pilots into one salary group (A330/A350, with the rate of the A330). Thats the only way to be somewhat viable in the future. The problem is, if the governme...

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by FluidFlow
Mon May 11, 2020 8:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Project Sunrise Approved - Pilot Agreement or Not
Replies: 376
Views: 56456

Re: Project Sunrise Approved - Pilot Agreement or Not

I suspect PS is now delayed enough that a newer plane will be available. I don't think so. Designing a plane takes about 7 years. SO basically, if we're talking 2027-2028 it's just about time to start. But the question is - to whom? Airbus has A350, and that's a likely candidate to be re-engined ar...

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by FluidFlow
Sat May 09, 2020 2:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 57787

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, May 2020

They could cancel the NEOs and order the MAX, it all depends on the contracts. If the MAX + contract fees to Airbus is still significantly cheaper than the NEOs, it could make sense. Not that this would be likely, but I have seen much crazier things to happen. Ba can not use MAX at LHR unless they ...

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by FluidFlow
Fri May 08, 2020 1:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic creditors aprove restructuring; (files for BK in US Court)
Replies: 1516
Views: 183630

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

They are asking for government support to help his airline restructure and survive (not him personally - structuring this is the tricky bit), the airlines employees (not Branson), the airlines supply chain (not Branson) which has had to stop flying for reasons beyond anyone’s control. You are corre...

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by FluidFlow
Fri May 08, 2020 10:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic creditors aprove restructuring; (files for BK in US Court)
Replies: 1516
Views: 183630

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

To be fair VS just has nothing to really bring to the table at all. 1. Not a Network or unique destinations that are in anyway necessary for UK-Taxpayers. 2. No Assets or products that are important for the UK economy 3. No chance on repaying the loan and probably not even the money to pay the insta...

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by FluidFlow
Fri May 08, 2020 9:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders
Replies: 281
Views: 68006

Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

9 new orders by Avolon on 01-Apr-2020: 8x A320 Neo and 1x A321 Neo. Not bad for Airbus in this bad times. Thus they cancel 75 MAX citing "the most challenging period in the history of commercial aviation." and the disruption of COVID-19 but order 9 A32XNEO? It's a strange world. As this i...

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by FluidFlow
Fri May 08, 2020 6:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Person killed by plane on runway at Austin
Replies: 97
Views: 25403

Re: Person killed by plane on runway at Austin

Fliplot wrote:
A human did that damage to a landing airceaft?! Wow!


Ever seen what happens to a car if you hit a deer (~100kg) at 100km/h. You can be lucky if the car is not totalled. So depending how fast the aircraft was, this is a relatively small damage or the nacelle is really sturdy.

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by FluidFlow
Thu May 07, 2020 12:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"
Replies: 135
Views: 31139

Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

That “gone” will at least be 10-15 years from now. Also AC (After COVID19) there are enough routes to fill an A380 profitably. Not for their current fleet, but that was already planned. A lot will depend on the price of oil - it will be gone quicker than 10 years if oil rises above USD 150 but it m...

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