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by TonyClifton
Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of LaGuardia

It would take years and billions for JFK to be repurposed into a facility that could absorb the majority of LGA's traffic with overlapping routes shedded and that does not include roadway changes, mass transit upgrades, and other accessibility features that have nothing to do with terminals, taxiwa...

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by TonyClifton
Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

It couldn’t. JFK runs delay programs when the 22s are in use and 31L/KE is available for departure. There’s absolutely no way it could also handle LGA traffic. That’s not exactly true. JFK runs far fewer delays than the other two airports, even in the 22 configuration with 31L available. LGA’s loca...

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

My idea: 1. When Rikers closes, extend runway 13/31 to 10,000 ft and replace the existing 4/22 with a new 8,000 ft parallel one. The runways need to be reconfigured/extended 2. Open LGA to anywhere in the lower 48 and Canada (due to pre-clearance). There should have just closed LGA in opinion. Doin...

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Air Wisconsin to get CRJ-550/700s?
Replies: 36
Views: 8124

Re: Rumor: Air Wisconsin to get CRJ-550/700s?

I doubt that plan is still in effect realistically right now the only thing that matters is what does your CPA cost and even if you don't want to add much network complexity you need a threat to whipsaw carriers look at what happened between compass and envoy where compass got a fairly rich cpa jus...

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

JFK reconstruction will continue. T1 needs to be expanded, T2 will go, and T4A will relieve it. t5/6 will happen as well. Just because LGA can get flights to LAX doesn’t mean JFK gets eliminated, or cancelled, or put on hold. All those airlines flying from Africa, Europe, Asia, will still fly to JFK...

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First electrical airplane in the world certified !
Replies: 53
Views: 7133

Re: First electrical airplane in the world certified !

Interesting and phenomenal! While battery tech might not be there for airline travel right now, starting it in the GA world is great and will certainly provide a great future for training aircraft. Instead of calling the line guy for a fuel top up, you’ll be calling for a battery change!

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

I believe a 764 can make it transcon from LGA... The 764 with full fuel/pax can make it 11-12 hours the routes in question are about half of that.. think UA flies the 764 EWR-HNL and DL flew the 764 JFK-ATH. I would think half the distance would be able to get out of LGA. I’d be surprised if it cou...

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

The runway at LGA and taxiways are big enough for a 767-400ER. If airlines could put a few flights LGA-LAX and LGA-SFO they'd be possible and they may chose to use 767 size aircraft. that would make LGA more crowded think ~240 pax vs 160 pax 737 or 75 pax regional jet. People say access to LGA isn'...

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

So now there’s no VFR demand out of LGA ?? If that’s true than how did southwest close up shop at EWR and add more LGA flying in a slot restricted non VFR environment ?? Are you deliberately ignoring what I said? JetBlue has 16 slots. They cannot use precious LGA slots for VFR flights when existing...

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

They can't. They don't have the slots. Removing perimeter guidelines serves nothing except making LGA slots more valuable and JFK slots less valuable. We have nice balance right now where both JFK and LGA slots and terminal space have a lot of value. Removing perimeter rules provides no real benefi...

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

They can't. They don't have the slots. Removing perimeter guidelines serves nothing except making LGA slots more valuable and JFK slots less valuable. We have nice balance right now where both JFK and LGA slots and terminal space have a lot of value. Removing perimeter rules provides no real benefi...

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

Again, what makes you think Cuomo will relax perimeter guidelines when it will clearly hurt JetBlue more than anyone else and there are plenty of supporters for New Yorks hometown airline from Schumer down. Lga airtrain won't happen. It's waste of time and money.a lot of money has been promised for...

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

Yep, I get it, just very unfortunate. Like when BAA basically controlled all the airports in London... I’d really like to see LGA unrestrained. Filling it full of RJs because of slots is a waste of the airports potential. JFK would still exist by virtue of international flying+connections of course...

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by TonyClifton
Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

See, the same agency runs both airports and they dont want JFK to “take a hit.” Hence the reasoning Yep, I get it, just very unfortunate. Like when BAA basically controlled all the airports in London... I’d really like to see LGA unrestrained. Filling it full of RJs because of slots is a waste of t...

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by TonyClifton
Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

I’d like to see loosening of the perimeter rule. If JFK takes the hit, so be it, let folks decide what airport they want to fly into. You can’t prop JFK up and jam LGA full of RJs. See, the same agency runs both airports and they dont want JFK to “take a hit.” Hence the reasoning Yep, I get it, jus...

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by TonyClifton
Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

I’d like to see loosening of the perimeter rule. If JFK takes the hit, so be it, let folks decide what airport they want to fly into. You can’t prop JFK up and jam LGA full of RJs. I'm honestly a little surprised there haven't been rumblings about introducing a few beyond-perimeter exemptions for L...

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by TonyClifton
Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

I’d like to see loosening of the perimeter rule. If JFK takes the hit, so be it, let folks decide what airport they want to fly into. You can’t prop JFK up and jam LGA full of RJs.

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by TonyClifton
Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Volga-Dnepr suing Boeing over freighters it couldnt commit to but now wants
Replies: 42
Views: 11627

Re: Volga-Dnepr suing Boeing over freighters it couldnt commit to but now wants

Thanks, Stitch, for the great detective work! An "industry source" at the time said Boeing had secured sufficient parts to produce 20 747-8F (14 for UPS's 2018 order, 5 for Volga-Dnepr's LoI and 1 spare). Thanks Stitch. I too had heard that Boeing had purchased the major parts from Triump...

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by TonyClifton
Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The future of LaGuardia
Replies: 156
Views: 21582

Re: The future of Laguardia

The LGA Terminal B headhouse is finally opening this weekend! I am so excited to try out the new headhouse soon. It is very impressive to drive by. It is said that it is 50% bigger than the old headhouse. The pictures look amazing. http://www.salamancapress.com/news/state/walsh-construction-celebra...

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by TonyClifton
Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus wants governments to finance a scrappage scheme
Replies: 53
Views: 8134

Re: Airbus wants governments to finance a scrappage scheme

However, the source of the news has to be taken with a huge chunk of salt! There are no reports in French or German language, as of now. There was a Lufthansa press conference recently, where CEO Spohr also siad, that such a program would be really nice and new planes would safe so much CO2. Guess ...

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by TonyClifton
Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 261644

Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

MD going helped streamline things. One less fleet to crew, have parts for, schedule, etc. By the time they need those 30 extra jets, they’ll have pulled all 717, 737, 320s from storage.

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by TonyClifton
Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]
Replies: 127
Views: 18650

Re: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]

While the ATR has de-icing capabilities, it has issues with icing where other props like the Dash 8 and jets have. Hence is one of the many reasons why US carriers ended up dumping their ATR fleet. The problem with the ATR in the US market is more than a de-icing capability issue, the american mark...

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by TonyClifton
Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]
Replies: 127
Views: 18650

Re: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]

Need something with more robust icing capabilities than the ATR. Ultimately are a get out of jail card, but not something you want to hang all day in upstate New York in a blizzard on. The ATR series meets or exceeds all icing certification. Can you show otherwise? Yes, if you operate an aircraft i...

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 2164
Views: 384761

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

AZORMP wrote:
DL is suspending service to the following stations starting 7/8:

ASE
BGR
ERI
FNT
FSM
LNK
EWN
PIA
SBA
AVP
XWA
YOW (eff. June 21)

Almost entirely RJ routes. Interesting.

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mitsubishi SpaceJet — Flight Test & Production Thread
Replies: 497
Views: 103507

Re: Mitsubishi SpaceJet — Flight Test & Production Thread

... The Space Jet program is already a matter of national pride as appears to me, I doubt that they will scrap the entire project. I think the M90 continues for now, but the M100 would be greatly redesigned before it emerges again. What do you mean by redesign? Would it lose the commonality with M9...

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mitsubishi SpaceJet — Flight Test & Production Thread
Replies: 497
Views: 103507

Re: Mitsubishi SpaceJet — Flight Test & Production Thread

... Even if the market rebounds, scope is mostly full for large RJs, save for a few top ups here and there as planes shift around (such as the conversion to 65 seat jets at AA). I think Mitsubishi’s best move is regather and put together lessons learned, then aim for a post 2025 RJ, Post 2025 RJ? T...

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by TonyClifton
Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How are the NYC airports doing and what is their future? (EWR, LGA, JFK)
Replies: 59
Views: 6483

Re: How are the NYC airports doing and what is their future? (EWR, LGA, JFK)

HPN was able to totally close down and expedite runway work. For places like LGA, this is a once in a generation chance to speed up work. Seeing the same things in various subway projects. Glad to see the time isn’t wasted.

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by TonyClifton
Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]
Replies: 127
Views: 18650

Re: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]

I will agree with you everyday of the week about bleed air being > boots with icing conditions. But the flying with 200 sucks in icing conditions lol with it’s hard wing. Anyways, I can see a new gen turboprop use a form of electrical heating elements for heating up the prop and wing leading edge. ...

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by TonyClifton
Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]
Replies: 127
Views: 18650

Re: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]

I never understood the reason for 50-seat regional jets on 200 mile trips to a major hub. The trip time isn't that much shorter than a turboprop. The interiors of the aircraft are the same. In the northeast in January, I’ll take a CRJ in the ice every day of the week. Say what you want about the -2...

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by TonyClifton
Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mitsubishi SpaceJet — Flight Test & Production Thread
Replies: 497
Views: 103507

Re: Mitsubishi SpaceJet — Flight Test & Production Thread

If the production is halted then the entry into service slips again to 2023 at the earliest. The most likely date is for 2023. Not the worst thing. The market for new purchases will likely be bare until then at least. No. The market will rebound much faster than those pessimistic guys say. They are...

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by TonyClifton
Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]
Replies: 127
Views: 18650

Re: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]

Need something with more robust icing capabilities than the ATR. Ultimately are a get out of jail card, but not something you want to hang all day in upstate New York in a blizzard on. Still think a turboprop is the only real solution to replace 50 seat jets I never understood the reason for 50-sea...

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by TonyClifton
Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]
Replies: 127
Views: 18650

Re: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]

A modernized AE2100 could fill the role nicely. Think it was proposed for the “ATR-82”.

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by TonyClifton
Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mitsubishi SpaceJet — Flight Test & Production Thread
Replies: 497
Views: 103507

Re: Mitsubishi SpaceJet — Flight Test & Production Thread

VV wrote:
If the production is halted then the entry into service slips again to 2023 at the earliest.

The most likely date is for 2023.

Not the worst thing. The market for new purchases will likely be bare until then at least.

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by TonyClifton
Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mitsubishi SpaceJet — Flight Test & Production Thread
Replies: 497
Views: 103507

Re: Mitsubishi SpaceJet — Flight Test & Production Thread

Next step to MITAC: - shelve the M90 and stop to loosing money on the “Lazy Godzilla” ... I don't believe that the M90 will be shelved by Mitsubishi because of a matter of Japanese pride in admitting that kind of defeat, but probably the M90 will have the same commercial fate as the NAMC YS-11 had,...

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by TonyClifton
Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mitsubishi SpaceJet — Flight Test & Production Thread
Replies: 497
Views: 103507

Re: Mitsubishi SpaceJet — Flight Test & Production Thread

Such a shame. Like the Dornier 728, a jet that just couldn’t get it’s ducks in a row.

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by TonyClifton
Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]
Replies: 127
Views: 18650

Re: Embraer's has projects for a new turboprop plane [June/2020]

Need something with more robust icing capabilities than the ATR. Ultimately are a get out of jail card, but not something you want to hang all day in upstate New York in a blizzard on.

Still think a turboprop is the only real solution to replace 50 seat jets

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by TonyClifton
Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1884
Views: 223260

Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020

Another Rumor LGB crew base being relocated to LAX. LGB being kept at 5 daily flights in November. 1 seasonal daily LGB-BOS red eye. Off season 1 Saturday only Red eye. 3 daily LGB-SLC 1 daily LGB-JFK red eye. Flyguy. Makes sense to keep even a small crew base on the west coast. Gets crew in positi...

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by TonyClifton
Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020
Replies: 1540
Views: 21760

Re: Emirates wants to partner with a US3 airline.

My question is which airline with this hubs will benefit EK? I personally believe its UA as they already fly to all their hubs with exception of DEN, it would be easy to expand a codeshare and route passengers into existing cities. DL is the least likely, outside of ATL, there is no real connecting...

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by TonyClifton
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Boeing Terminates Agreement to Establish Joint Ventures with Embraer
Replies: 1171
Views: 148972

Re: Updated: Boeing Terminates Agreement to Establish Joint Ventures with Embraer

... I agree with the laws of physics being the same. What do you know Leeham doesn't? ... I do not know. I only know the E175-E2 is a mere derivative of the E175 (E1) with new optimized wing. Basically I am saying that the E2 and SpaceJet get engines that are virtually identical , with very similar...

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by TonyClifton
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Boeing Terminates Agreement to Establish Joint Ventures with Embraer
Replies: 1171
Views: 148972

Re: Updated: Boeing Terminates Agreement to Establish Joint Ventures with Embraer

Maybe Embraer will be able to do something along the lines of the 175E1-SC (which eliminated 3,000 lbs on the 175E1 with minimal changes to the aircraft) on the 175E2 to comply with the scope it may be able to reduce the weight enough to reach these 1500 nm of the M100 as well with a viable aircraf...

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by TonyClifton
Sun May 31, 2020 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Boeing Terminates Agreement to Establish Joint Ventures with Embraer
Replies: 1171
Views: 148972

Re: Updated: Boeing Terminates Agreement to Establish Joint Ventures with Embraer

This analysis notes an expected high availability of used aircraft in 3 years: https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2020-05-28/analysis-how-might-mitsubishis-woes-boost-embraer There are a slew of 170s in storage; not that that’s a particularly attractive airplane but they are ther...

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by TonyClifton
Sat May 30, 2020 11:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Boeing Terminates Agreement to Establish Joint Ventures with Embraer
Replies: 1171
Views: 148972

Re: Updated: Boeing Terminates Agreement to Establish Joint Ventures with Embraer

I totally agree that A E170-E2 will never work with PW1715G engines. They are ~600lb (270kg) to heavy. KLM already decided they want E195-E2 to replace and supplement the E190's. But possibly because of covid, the resulting lowered demand for air travel will result in more demand for smaller aircra...

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by TonyClifton
Sat May 30, 2020 6:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL to permanently retire entire 777 fleet
Replies: 763
Views: 123514

Re: DL to permanently retire entire 777 fleet

Well, Delta has submitted its application for the CPT service to the DOT. Planned start date Oct 24 2020 subject to all the government travel/border restrictions of course. It's Docket OST-2020-0051-0001. Planned schedule using the A350-900: Dep ATL 1745 Arr JNB 1545+ Dep JNB 1715+ Arr CPT 1925+ De...

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by TonyClifton
Fri May 29, 2020 9:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Development paths for new scope compliant aircraft.
Replies: 355
Views: 16831

Re: Development paths for new scope compliant aircraft.

Regionals fly feeder routes and bypass routes. If I understand it correctly, the scope clause basically allows the mayors to outsource the smaller aircraft. The mayors start with roughly 100seat aircraft, the routes that don't sustain this are subcontracted to regional airlines. As passenger direct...

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by TonyClifton
Fri May 29, 2020 8:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Development paths for new scope compliant aircraft.
Replies: 355
Views: 16831

Re: Development paths for new scope compliant aircraft.

Instead of limiting scope on MTOW why don’t the pilots base it on sets and route length. This ain’t rocket science. You can’t just make the regionals fly decrepit airplanes for the next hundred years. No decrepit airplanes flying. The ERJ is a far newer design than any 737 or A320 flying out there....

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by TonyClifton
Fri May 29, 2020 7:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Development paths for new scope compliant aircraft.
Replies: 355
Views: 16831

Re: Development paths for new scope compliant aircraft.

BBD looked into revamped cockpit when the 605 was done but nobody wanted it at the price. The 605 required moving components around to offset the reduced weight of avionics forward. Nextant has a STC for putting Fusion cockpit in 604s but BBD didn’t want to support it for the 605 while the 650 was ...

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by TonyClifton
Fri May 29, 2020 5:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Development paths for new scope compliant aircraft.
Replies: 355
Views: 16831

Re: Development paths for new scope compliant aircraft.

I wonder what optimizations could have been made in the CRJ-900 as hypothetical update. The -1000 changed enough that it merited a new type rating from the FAA, but gained things such as a fly by wire rudder. I believe RTM flaps on the -1000 allowed some weight savings that weren’t able to be reali...

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by TonyClifton
Fri May 29, 2020 5:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Development paths for new scope compliant aircraft.
Replies: 355
Views: 16831

Re: Development paths for new scope compliant aircraft.

I wonder what optimizations could have been made in the CRJ-900 as hypothetical update. The -1000 changed enough that it merited a new type rating from the FAA, but gained things such as a fly by wire rudder. I believe RTM flaps on the -1000 allowed some weight savings that weren’t able to be realiz...

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by TonyClifton
Fri May 29, 2020 4:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 2164
Views: 384761

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Anyone else think that Delta can consolidate in terminal 4 as it is? Let them demo terminal 2...And then down the road if they need to expand the A concourse they can Probably. I think the most recent JFK plans showed an extension to T4A. I don’t know if I see T2 coming back, but I’ve been wrong be...

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by TonyClifton
Fri May 29, 2020 4:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 2164
Views: 384761

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Anyone else think that Delta can consolidate in terminal 4 as it is? Let them demo terminal 2...And then down the road if they need to expand the A concourse they can Probably. I think the most recent JFK plans showed an extension to T4A. I don’t know if I see T2 coming back, but I’ve been wrong be...

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