DTW-SJU has always struggled.
In the 1990s, NW flew DC-10s DTW-SJU for cruise traffic, but it lasted just a few years.
Neither EA nor AA flew DTW-SJU nonstop when they had hubs in SJU, although EA did fly an L-1011 DTW-MIA-SJU year round in the 1970s.
It was a public charter, and not an IATA participant. No interline, all sales via its website. Airplanes operated by Contour. they never had a GDS or IATA code. Contour had just picked up LF. I guess that explains why I have never been able to find the code! Thank you for your help! After the 2016 ...
Jump to postI'm sad to see JFK-MSP get cut.
Last year, I took the sort of trip only people on this website would enjoy.
I wasn't in a rush to get from DTW to MSP, so I flew DTW-JFK-MSP. I had a long enough layover at JFK that I left the terminal to have two drinks at the TWA hotel's Constellation bar.
Of the larger markets, CVG has DL CDG (and will soon have BA LHR). STL has LH FRA. That just leaves MCI, IND, and MKE (at least who doesn’t drive down to Ohare) as the few remaining “large” markets with no TATL nonstops, who remain in the DTW cachement cone for good DTW geographical TATL connection...
Jump to postThis was mentioned in the ABQ thread, but I think it should also be mentioned here, too. Advanced Air will be adding Las Cruces-ABQ on Jan 16. Flights will operate 2x day Mon and Fri, 1x day Tues, Wed, and Thu, with no flights on Sat and Sun, using a 9 seat Beech Queen Air. The flight was made possi...
Jump to postI'd like to thank everyone for making this thread so interesting and engaging in 2022, and I hope all of you have a safe and happy 2023. This afternoon, I went jogging around Quarton Lake, then through downtown Birmingham. Despite the negativity some people feel about the Detroit area, my jog remind...
Jump to postDAC-Denver Air Connection was the sole bidder for both Pierre and Watertown, South Dakota. Source of Proposal: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-2011-0138-0121 DAC is now offering MSP as an option along with DEN or ORD... Alex South Dakota's ties to MSP are much stronger than their ties ...
Jump to postAvantis are actually quite comfortably in the range of quiet aircraft. The issue is that the noise they make is different and jarring for those used to that which more conventionally mounted aircraft produce. I can't stand airport NIMBYism. At least LCY is a relative new airport where people lived ...
Jump to postWhy is it so hard to believe that a electrical arcing can make a tank go boom? Didn’t a 707 go down for the same reason when lightning blew up part of their wing by igniting a wing tank? One of the less remembered accidents that was caused by this was the crash of an Iranian Air Force 747 near Madr...
Jump to postUnited's GUM hub is still a small but important part of UA's network. I find it interesting that United has been sending a few FA new hires to the GUM base, right out of training. It's weird to see a UA 737 at MNL though :lol: It's also interesting that Southern Airways Express has a small base in ...
Jump to postSome of you are shivering today due to the severe weather in the northern US, so here's an OT ferry flight story that might make you smile. Many years ago, a Swearingen Metro was making a wintertime ferry flight from west Africa to a new owner in the US. The aircraft had to stop for fuel in both Ice...
Jump to postJAL did though! DC-8 service in the 1970s. Can’t remember the route. Had another stop in the US with no local traffic rights. Definitely happened though! Tokyo-Anchorage-Miami-Sao Paulo, with DC-8-62s, and no local traffic rights at ANC or MIA. In the mid 1980s, JAL did get local traffic rights bet...
Jump to postI think the higher speed limit on I-94 is another reason air traffic to Chicago from DTW and MSP has decreased. In the 1980s, the speed limit was 55, strictly enforced. Now, it's 70, with no enforcement, which means most motorists drive at least 80. This has significantly lowered the driving time f...
Jump to postI think the higher speed limit on I-94 is another reason air traffic to Chicago from DTW and MSP has decreased. In the 1980s, the speed limit was 55, strictly enforced. Now, it's 70, with no enforcement, which means most motorists drive at least 80. This has significantly lowered the driving time fr...
Jump to postYes big jump in seats to FCO in 2023 vs 2022. The planned July 2023 schedule shows 59,148 monthly seats vs 39,897 in July 2022. But FCO is not the only European station where AA is pushing plenty of added capacity into. CDG goes from 34,348 in July 2022 to planned 49,104 in 2023. Meanwhile both LHR...
Jump to postIts kind of like in the 1990s when airport infrastructure across the country was primarily build in the 1950s-1970s and was not suited for the hub-and-spoke era. Turboprop hardstand bussing operations were cobbled together. Same thing when the RJ era boomed and everyone was cobbling together and re...
Jump to postLots of people can’t see the writing on the wall but most of these small markets, EAS or not Delta will be out of in a year or two max. The pilot shortage (brought on my the airlines themselves) will speed it up. If a city can’t support 2 or 3 76 seat aircraft it will probably loose all service. Ci...
Jump to postI wish Buddy's would open a "to go" facility at DTW, that would sell a limited selection of their most popular pizzas by the slice, along with maybe one person sized greek salads. Although there are lots of food choices at DTW, nothing compares to Buddys. At least there is National Coney I...
Jump to postMy guess about the A350 order: it will be kept on the books so UA doesn't need to pay cancellation penalties to RR. It also gives UA protection in the unlikely event that UA decides ordering 787s was a mistake.
In 15 or 20 years, when Airbus discontinues the A350, the order will just disappear.
Why on earth would they move all FIS to T2? Delta would have a conniption. 1. Thank you for this document. 2. I agree - why on earth would they move all FIS in either case? SY has an extensive international network in the winter months, and DL has an extensive international network year round. It w...
Jump to postWhat market does RJ serve out of DTW? The airline now serves AMM-DTW year round now. I wonder what country markets outside of Jordan support this flight. Quite a unique airline to fly to DTW otherwise. Metro Detroit has ~50000 Iraqi residents, ~20000 Lebanese residents and ~17000 Yemeni residents, ...
Jump to post-Findlay OH, with a stop on the way at Bowling Green for BG University students. Unsure in Findlay ever had DTW commercial air service historically. The October, 1964 OAG says Findlay was served 1x day each way on a Lake Central DC-3, routed YIP-TOL-FDY-CMH-CVG. The TOL-FDY flight left TOL at 11:19...
Jump to postAC announced today that next spring, they'll be increasing MSP-YYZ from 3x day to 4x day.
I'm glad AC is successful here.
It would be nice if the TSA checkpoint on the C to G connector was reopened. When I'm flying out of an A, high C, or high G gate, this checkpoint saved me at least fifteen minutes. Is this not open? I thought I remembered seeing that it was open for TSA PreCheck only. I always just use the South Ch...
Jump to postIt would be nice if the TSA checkpoint on the C to G connector was reopened. When I'm flying out of an A, high C, or high G gate, this checkpoint saved me at least fifteen minutes.
Jump to postSo Massena wants to stay with Boutique because they offer a rental car service and buy their fuel locally ... and apparently, the local folks don't like Philly. Never mind they'll never get to 10K enplanements and are kissing goodbye to $1M a year worth of Fed money as a result. And saying no to je...
Jump to postWhat other US carriers other than NW served BKK? Back then when TG served LAX, where did the flight stop over at? UA also use to serve BKK via NRT. When TG’s LAX flight wasn’t nonstop I believe it was served via ICN. In the 1980s, TG flew LAX-NRT-SEA, with an onward flight (depending on the day of ...
Jump to postA clarification about Icelandair: Icelandair is actually resuming service to DTW; DTW is not a never-before served destination for them. For a few years in the mid 1980s, FI served DTW. Their summer 1984 timetable says FI flew LUX-KEF-DTW 1x week (on Friday). FI 661 left LUX at 14:45, and KEF at 17:...
Jump to postI wonder if we would finally see nonstop service to the Galapagos Islands; seems like a popular destination for US tourists. GYE has: FLL/JFK/MIA UIO has: ATL/FLL/IAH/MIA So lotsssss of potential new service, but probably not enough resources to add new flying to/from Ecuador They still limit numbe...
Jump to postI could imagine depending on who gets into the superbowl, this could change. For instance if the Las Vegas Raiders make the superbowl, possible to add more LAS PHX capacity. Was just looking, looks like several 777s a day will fly to ORD, DFW and LAX. Thats all I checked for now. But like if the Ra...
Jump to postIs it a crew base? If so, maybe that's what the pilot meant when he was so insistent about it. Yes. AA's US mainland crew bases are DFW, LAX, SFO (closing January 2023), NY Area Airports, BOS, CLT, Washington DC Airports, and MIA. RDU and ATL are considered "satellite" crew bases for AA, ...
Jump to postWhen AA purchased Trans Caribbean in 1971, they began using T7 for international arrivals. AA continued to use T7 for international arrivals until a customs facility was completed in AA's terminal in 1977. Thanks for that AA terminal history regarding the addition of the customs facility being comp...
Jump to postWhen AA purchased Trans Caribbean in 1971, they began using T7 for international arrivals. AA continued to use T7 for international arrivals until a customs facility was completed in AA's terminal in 1977. Among the other flights that used T7 in the past was National's short lived JFK-AMS flight in ...
Jump to postI don't get the assertion that DL is now suddenly going to pack-up and abandon the CVG-CDG route simply because a new competitor, with BA is starting CVG-LHR. A.net tends to overreact that all the sudden a new competitor is going to waltz and suddenly steal all the marketshare. Could DL drop CVG-CD...
Jump to postI'm glad all of the dogs are okay....but I'd prefer not to think how awful the crash site smelled, because I'm sure all of the dogs (with good reason) relieved themselves several times inside the aircraft due to the stress of the crash.
Jump to postWhile adding another airline to the Evans Terminal signage might make the tail-spotters happy, I will be curious what overall impact these SY additions will end up having on the DTW DL network. I would be very surprised if DL didn’t respond on some of the routes they don’t currently fly from MSP. I...
Jump to postTo take the "DL retaliates every time another airline adds flights to MSP or DTW" idea to its logical conclusion: If this were the case, then DL would have added DTW-Amman as soon as Royal Jordanian began flying to DTW. The fact that DL hasn't added DTW-Amman yet, even though Royal Jordan...
Jump to postTo take the "DL retaliates every time another airline adds flights to MSP or DTW" idea to its logical conclusion: If this were the case, then DL would have added DTW-Amman as soon as Royal Jordanian began flying to DTW. The fact that DL hasn't added DTW-Amman yet, even though Royal Jordani...
Jump to postI'm not a Delta Fanboy, but I don't feel MSP-KEF was added just because of FI. The two airlines target a much different market segment. FI's hub in KEF enables them to go after the significant ethnic / cultural traffic between Minnesota and Scandinavia. Iceland has become a VERY popular tourist dest...
Jump to postAs said in the MSP thread, Medtronic has their main facilities in Minneapolis' northern suburbs, but is headquartered in Dublin. This may be one reason DL is adding the route. I think DTW-DUB would be a natural EI route; it would give One World a transatlantic route from DTW. Is DTW-DUB within the r...
Jump to postI think that they should protest Biz lie flat seats on Airliners, after all if you in Biz your hogging more resources to fly than you poor cousin in basic econ. To say nothing of the premium lounges that serve BEEF! Yes sir all airline seats should be as close as possible to reduce each persons car...
Jump to postHere they come again, its not exactly similar ,but I guess they got a wee bit of inspiration from AMS. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/climate-activist-protesters-shut-down-main-entrance-at-njs-teterboro-airport/3952219/ https://twitter.com/nychange/status/1590746104194531328 Which airport is...
Jump to postIn the late 1960s, after Allegheny merged with Lake Central, they painted the ex-Lake Central Nord 262s in a groovy purple and gold scheme. The Nords were built in France, so Allegheny even put a gold fleur de lis on the tail. Imagine how great this scheme would look on an A319 or 737? 0202285 As a ...
Jump to postI was on Southwest's first flight from MSP, and they handled it well. The first flight was early on Sunday, March 8, 2009, and although the airline announced the first flight, they didn't have a formal celebration...in part because Southwest knew few reporters or airport representatives would want t...
Jump to postThere are many human activities that cause environmental harm. Shopping at fast fashion retailers is one, as is eating a lot of meat. Even owning a large dog has serious environmental consequences. It's VERY frustrating that environmental activists are only focusing on air travel. It would be much b...
Jump to postLooking further back, here's a list of AA's widebody flights from Dallas in June, 1973, the final summer of their hub at DAL before the move to DFW: ORD: 2x DC-10, 1x continued to DTW ELP:2x DC-10 LAX: 1x DC-10 MEM: 1x DC-10 LGA: 2x DC-10 SFO: 2x DC-10 TUS: 1x DC-10 IAD: 1x DC-10, continued to BOS F...
Jump to postHello Anet! I've been scanning in old family photos, the majority of which have been very well-organized by my father and grandfather... except for some. This photo (link below) was taken in DFW, in the 1980s. But I was wondering if someone out there keen on some AA fleet history and perhaps EA rou...
Jump to postThe AS 727 is interesting, IIRC it was part of an interchange with AS. AS crew would fly the airplane ANC-SEA and and AA crew would fly it SEA-DFW DFW SEA. On the flip side and AA 727 would be flown DFW SEA and an AS crew would fly the SEA ANC SEA trip. Its been a long time so not sure exactly how ...
Jump to postThe things happening now are the same things that happened with CVG. Besides, is anyone doing air service development at the WCAA anymore? They haven’t been attending routes conferences lately. DTW historically draws far more local traffic and revenue than CVG. You're basically saying Little Caesar...
Jump to postThere is a FB group called the "Airline History Lounge" where members can share historical pictures taken at airports. If you're on FB, you should consider sharing these photos in the Airline History Lounge; I know the other members of the FB group would REALLY enjoy seeing them.
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