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RE: Mexicana Upgrades Denver Service (a Few Questi

BA: Mexico generally is a good market (it can be a great one!), but has its lumps. The Pacific Coast resorts are very seasonal, especially Acapulco, which is both hot and wet (tropical downpours) in the summer. That's why I'd like to see Frontier add a "business" destination, like Monterrey, in addi...

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RE: Frontier Announces New Service To Cancun

BA: Here's an odd one for you. I've read the DOT approval of the Mexican routes. It lists the start date of 20 December '02 for Cancun. But it also lists a start date of 7 December '02 for the Mazatlan/Cabo service. Now Cancun has been announced before Cabo/Mazatlan - which suggests that it will sta...

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RE: Frontier's Latest A319

DIA: I don't have any official information, but I would say it's unlikely. Quite a few of the remaining 737's are going back to the lessors over the next couple of years. The plan is to be all Airbus by 2005. That said, Frontier is going to the expense of putting PTV's into "some" of the 737's, so a...

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RE: Frontier's Latest A319

ONT 737: The PTV's don't come with the aircraft - they are retrofitted (in Miami, I think) after delivery. Same with Jet Blue. The first Frontier plane is scheduled to have them early to mid October. Larspl: The photo's are not painted. As I understand it, they are a photo "skin", that is somehow st...

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RE: JetBlue To Buy Inflight Broadcaster For $41 Ml

I'd think that the F9 contract with LiveTV is an essential part of the deal. It gives LiveTV - and thus JetBlue - a nice source of extra income. BTW, has anyone noticed the F9 route map and the JetBlue route map recently? Apart from one missing link - DEN/LGB - they make a lovely fit. That, and PTV'...

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RE: Denver Int'l Concourse A Expansion

BA: Good post. If - and it's still an if - UAL files for BK, then you could expect them to follow the same pattern as US Air. The weaker mainline routes would go to the regionals, thru' United Express, and mainline service would be reduced, overall. But whether they would reduce much DEN service (as...

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RE: Frontier - A318 - And Oakland

ONT must be doing okay. Despite the rejigging, ONT stays constant at 3 x daily in the winter schedule.

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RE: Frontier - A318 - And Oakland

BR715-A1-30: Just a rumor. Frontier has had a drop in revenue - like everyone else - but this last quarter was the first one in four years when they didn't show a profit. They lost just under 3 million, which, compared with everyone else (except SWA, JetBlue and AAI) is chicken feed. They are aggres...

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RE: Frontier - A318 - And Oakland

Oakland is a good airport, and it doesn't have the weather problems of SFO, meaning less delays.

Southwest Airlines abandoned SFO a couple of years ago and moved to OAK. So yes, there are many cheap flights available.

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RE: Frontier - A318 - And Oakland

BA:

School or not, you've beaten me to more than a few of them!

A fair amount of my infor about Frontier comes from you.

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RE: Frontier - A318 - And Oakland

BA:

I'm sure you already know, but Oakland has been confirmed by Frontier and Mesa.

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RE: Frontier - A318 - And Oakland

Much as planned, I guess. They say they expect a small loss this quarter (no surprise), but say they have started to see a pick up in air fares.

The stock price, however, is doing great, well off its lows, and up 20% today.

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RE: Frontier - A318 - And Oakland

BA:

I agree with you about LGB. But, just as they haven't officially announced OAK yet, we're not sure what's happening with the Jet Express plans.

I don't think we'll hear anything until after (or during) Frontier's Annual Meeting on 6 September.

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RE: Frontier - A318 - And Oakland

BA:

I guess (?) that means San Jose is doing okay.

There seems to be a fair bit of rejigging going on with Jet Express in the winter schedule.

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Frontier - A318 - And Oakland

The first CFM powered A318 has successfully completed it's maiden flight. Frontier, as the launch customer, will get it's first one in July 2003. And, according to Aviation Daily, Frontier Jet Express will begin service to Oakland on 22 October (hooray!). This hasn't been confirmed by Frontier yet. ...

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RE: Would US Airways Be OK Without The A330

Rabenschlag:

"Lufthansa is in financial trouble..."

That's an odd statement to make on the day that Lufthansa has reported a profit of 332 million Euros - almost double the estimates.

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RE: Airline Memorabilia

Go to Ebay, search for "airlines" and you'll get thousands of items.

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RE: Air Pacific Considering A330-200

Airmale: You were right. When I first read your post I didn't believe you - that they'd use a 738 to Vancouver. But I checked the website: Nadi/Honolulu/Vancouver - 738. That's an awful long way in that plane. I'm amazed that the 738 can even fly the route, especially Nadi/Honolulu - not because of ...

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RE: How Do Airlines Choose New Destinations

Airmale: Basically, demand is 90% of the game. For any domestic route, in almost any country, an airline can fly pretty much where it wants (some countries do require government approval, even for this). But even if the demand is there, the airline may not have enough aircraft to service the route. ...

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RE: Frontier DEN-BOS Still In Schedules.

BA:

Okay, so I just checked the website for February, and they showed me two flights a day - but both marked "not available".

Perhaps it's taken a day or three to update the website?

I'm hoping for a return to New England - not necessarily BOS, perhaps MHT - next summer.

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RE: Frontier DEN-BOS Still In Schedules.

BA: I guess it is possible they've changed their minds. Apparently loads to BOS were running at about 70%, at which F9 would have made a profit. It seems the straw that broke the camel's back was the deal with US Air over gate costs and handling. I don't understand the latter, because F9 had their o...

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RE: Mission Air?

Try this link:

http://www.missionair.org/

or this one:

http://www.pmafms.org/avnlist.htm

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RE: Frontier - More Cities

Lowfareair: There's one more "expansion" A319 due (#11). After that, the other five A319's coming this year are to replace five 737's that will go back to the lessors. So F9 will be one aircraft up by the time the new expansion takes place. And I guess there will be some reduction in frequencies for...

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RE: Frontier - More Cities

Lowfareair: I'm with you on PHL - but my guess would be that you won't see it till next year. I'd put money on it then, as the addition of Cancun changes the whole equation. Suddenly it makes sense for a lot of the northern snowbirds to fly F9. Presently, I doubt you would want to fly to Florida via...

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RE: Frontier - More Cities

I agree that Fort Myers was a shock. But Frontier has said that it's leisure destinations (read Florida) are doing well. This is something of a change for them - previously, their business destinations were the mainstay. But then, up until recently, they didn't have many "beach" destinations. So I g...

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Frontier - More Cities

Here's the link:

http://www.frontierairlines.com/news/articleDisplay.asp?article=/general/2002/pr_08082002.news

Except for Wichita, which we already knew about, it took me by surprise.

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RE: FYI: Frontier Airlines Facts

DIA: Thanks for posting that. I've been a cheerleader for F9 since I bought a few shares back in 1998, just as it started it's expansion. It's been a heck of a ride (up and down!), since then. Howsumever, I'm afraid you have to wait about another 11 months for the Baby Bus. Over on the Yahoo! FRNT s...

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RE: Was United Only Worth $233 Million?

Theoretically, yes, if you had $233 million you could have bought all the shares available on the market. However, what's available on the market is not the whole kit and caboodle. For example, the staff gold a huge bunch of shares (about 45% perhaps) under the esop program. And even if you could ge...

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How Long To Build An Aircraft?

Does anyone know how long it takes to build a plane, an A319 or a B737, starting from scratch?

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RE: Frontier A-318 Cities

There's a bit of confusion about the A318. Because it's the smallest of the 320 family, a lot of people assume it's for short distances. It's real value is for long distance flights that are called "long and lean - that is, they don't have huge numbers of passengers. It could fly (if you wanted it t...

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RE: Frontier Starting Mexico Service

DIA: Trouble is, you can't trust everything you read - as with the Denver Post article above, which says that: "Frontier is the second largest carrier at DIA with 17 flights daily...." 17? Should be 170. But yes, I agree, I think it's an excellent move on F9's part, and has taken just about everyone...

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RE: Frontier Starting Mexico Service

DIA:

From the Rocky Mountain News, or at least, an article from RMN posted on the Yahoo! FRNT stock board today.

It's pretty much the same as the Denver Post article above.

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RE: Frontier Starting Mexico Service

A few things: The first destination appears to be Cancun, to start about 20 December (assuming they get approval), and it's suggested it will be daily with a 319. Supposedly, Mexicana is dropping Denver/Cabo San Lucas. I'm not sure how good a market this is from DEN, but hey, FRNT seems to think so,...

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RE: Any News About Airbus 318?

Frontier will be the launch customer, about middle of next year, with the CFM 56 engine (F9 changed from the PW). AWA's were delayed as part of their agreement with the ATSB. I think (don't hold me to it) that AWA is still going with the PW engine, which has it's problems. It was Air France who insi...

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RE: Vanguard Declares Chapter 11 Bankruptcy?

SegmentKing:

I agree. I could see Frontier adding a couple of routes to the east coast through Kansas City, though.

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RE: Did/does Anyone Collect Timetables?

If you can find them they're worth a bit of money - or some of them are.

There's a great market for old airline timetables - or old airline anything - on ebay.

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RE: Frontier's 10th Airbus

No. As with JetBlue, the PTV's are retrofitted. The process will begin in October.

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Frontier's 10th Airbus

Frontier has just taken delivery of their 10th A319.

It's my usual request - does anyone know what the "critter on the tail" is?

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RE: Vanguard - The Clock Is Ticking

PROSA: (i) The official reason given is that Vanguard had not persuaded the ATSB that they could repay the loan. It's an odd one, because they had revised their application down to a request for $15 million loan guarantee. Now they are resubmitting the application - but they're asking for $40 millio...

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RE: Russian Pilots: Fallguys?

I've only ever flown on the old Soviet era airlines - Aeroflot and Interflug - but on both occasions, everyone connected with the flight, ground and air, Russian or East German, was a model of efficiency. English was commonly and fluently spoken on both airlines, by the cabin staff, and by the pilot...

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RE: Vanguard - The Clock Is Ticking

Most of the "long term assets" are already mortgaged to the hilt. They are also in default of certain aircraft lease payments. The airline continues to fly for one reason and one reason only: the major owners (Hambrecht, O'Shea and now Pegasus Aviation) are constantly forgiving debt for equity - thu...

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RE: Frontier Not Doing So Well. Shares Drop 18%

BA Yes, I'd already read that. I think it confirms most of what I said. We've known since April that revenue is down - based on year over year average airfares (FRNT is one of the few airlines to report these). This is one of the reasons that all the airline stocks are getting hammered at the moment...

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RE: Frontier Not Doing So Well. Shares Drop 18%

BA: A few thoughts. (i) Frontier (FRNT) continues to do well in the most challenging business environment for airlines. The loss this quarter is likely to be a few cents at most, and most analysts are still predicting a profit for the next quarter. Most (not all) other airlines are losing squillions...

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RE: Frontier's 8th A319

Frank:

Thanks, that's a good pic. I guess it's a goose.

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RE: Frontier's 8th A319

Thanks, Scotty, that's good. But I still don't know what the critter on the tail of 9FR is!

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Frontier's 8th A319

Frontier took delivery of it's 8th A319 a couple of weeks ago, but now the 9th A319 is here.

I know that the "critter on the tail" of 8FR is a heron, but does anyone know what the critter is on 9FR?

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RE: Shocking Open Letter From Ryanair Pilots - Fak

If it is genuine you have to worry about the standard of education of the pilots. "conditions is not common"? perhaps they mean "conditions are not common." "dear to call in sick?" How about "dare to call in sick". "subjects to this"? No - "subject to this." I could go on. And on. But why bother? ch...

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RE: Is The A318 Flying With Any Carriers?

In fact, over 100 A318's have been ordered. The plane will enter service - as planned - at the end of 2002.

The PW engine problem has been solved - by Frontier - by switching to the CFM engine, like Air France.

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RE: Frontier 737s Bye-Bye?

BA: That's interesting news, I didn't know that. It makes sense and I'd love to see it happen. Wonder what routes they'd use them on? Be fun to see a line up of the three - 318, 319 and 320 - with critters on the tails. Geo: I wish I could say I am a savvy investor but it was pure dumb luck. I colle...

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RE: Frontier 737s Bye-Bye?

Geo: I'm not sure that I have more industry knowledge than you. Certainly, I don't have a mathematical mind. (I function on "emotional logic"). But I guess you're aware that Frontier's engineering section has won the FAA Diamond Award for two - if not three, can't remember - years in a row. It's one...

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