Greg: Okay, Frontier may not be very exciting to you, but for a lot of people it is. If you held FRNT shares, then you'd be very excited. Up 400% since the post 9/11 low. If you're a photographer or a spotter, you'd be fairly excited, too. (Different tail on every plane? As Steve Jobs said about the...
Jump to postThey fly to American Samoa and to Tahiti. I think the 763's can do this.
The route map is on their website.
Cheers
mariner
Airplanetire: The short answer to your question is yes. I've bought First Class and Concorde, as my choice. I've been lucky in my life, and it's a perk I gave myself as a present. Is it worth it? Mostly not. Sure, First Class on Qantas and Singapore is terrific, but not when it's your own money - de...
Jump to postDenver has a few disadvantages for Southwest. Generally (not always) they try to avoid flying to an airport that is a hub for a major. And the existence of Frontier gives them another reason not to fly there. As to COS - that rumor has been going around for years - I'm not sure if it has any basis i...
Jump to postPre 747, Qantas used the 707 and Air NZ had the DC 8. (And, in those days, BOAC flew Auckland, Fiji, Honolulu, SFO, JFK, LHR with a 707). All trans-Pacific flights landed in Honolulu, with re-fuelling stops in either Fiji or Tahiti. As the 747's were introduced, there were flights that didn't need t...
Jump to postIainhol: What you say may be true in the UK (?), but not here in the States. We drove with three dogs from Boston to San Francisco in the middle of winter, and had no trouble finding hotels. The reason we didn't fly is that most US airlines have very strict limits about animals (ground temperature a...
Jump to postcba: Yes, usually walk up fares are expensive - if you have to go to a particular destination. The difference with a "random flight", is that you don't give a destination. You simply say, "where can I go - cheaply?" Most ticket counter people I've dealt with doing this think it's neat, and are very ...
Jump to postThings may have changed since 9/11, but it was always easy to do - especially on international flights. You could get some cheap fares, too. Pick a ticket counter that isn't too busy, explain what you want to do, and if you're a little bit lucky, they'll find a flight for you. A lot of airlines have...
Jump to postI'm a long time Frontier (FRNT) stock holder, and believe me, we're all as baffled by today as you are. Not just today - the rocket rise of the stock since the post 9/11 lows has everyone scratching their heads. Except that - Frontier is flying a full schedule, has recalled most (or all) of their fu...
Jump to postBA: The Boston one puzzles me. I used to live there, and F9 had two flights a day. On my last flight out, a year ago, the ground staff told me there was a discussion about a 3rd daily flight, so they must have been doing more than okay. Now it's down to one. Is it only because of 9/11? Cheers mariner
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Fair enough. Either way, it isn't bad!
I guess the bigger question on my mind - and a few other people's - is the livery. Will it look like Frontier with the "critters on the tails"? or will it look like Mesa?
Have you heard anything?
Cheers
mariner
Thanks, BA, but I'm still a tad confused. I went back and checked the news releases. Dow Jones Newswire 12-05-01. Jonathan Ormstein, CEO of MESA, said: "we plan to have 7 regional jets in service for Frontier by the end of 2002." My point is simply this: has something changed? Cheers mariner
Jump to postDid I miss something? Last I heard there were to be a total of 7 CRJ's for FRNT Jet Express by the end of the year.
That is 5 more, in addition to the original 2.
Has it changed?
Cheers
I'll second that. How can we get to see N737MC's photos?
I tread a search here, and I went to denverspotting.com, but no luck.
Cheers
mariner
Last year I got a FIRST Class "Circle Pacific" fare from Air New Zealand and Singapore Airlines - LAX/AKL/SYD/SIN/LAX - that was cheaper than the BUSINESS Class fare would have been LAX/AKL/LAX. Since they (between them) fly to all the places you want to go, I suggest you try them. The only problem ...
Jump to postAsgeirs: In the short term, yes, it would make more sense to buy used jets, because of the lower capital cost. But used jets can have problems. They are closer to major (expensive) checks, and no matter how careful the buyer is, they tend to be in maintenance more than new planes. New jets come with...
Jump to postJmc1975: Santa Rosa is ready to lengthen the runway to take RJ's - IF an airline will commit to using the airport (which came first chicken or egg?). They'd be very happy to see America West come in. Or anyone. About a month ago there was big to-do because a couple of top Delta brass came in to look...
Jump to postWhy would you want to fly JFK/SYD or LHR/SYD non-stop? What would you do about the crew for a twenty hour flight? You'd probably have to double crew, which wouldn't be cheap. And how much catering would you have to carry? You'd run the risk of Economy Class Syndrome (Deep Vein Thrombosis) running ra...
Jump to postI thought I did answer the questions in your first post. If you mean, can someone suggest a better way of getting there (with a cheap ticket), probably not. Most flights (though not all) to HUX go through Mexico City. To do it another way, you'd probably have to be a bit more adventurous, and not wo...
Jump to postFlashmeister: I completely agree with all you say, especially about Addoms and Potter. One of the great puzzles to me is that if the merger had gone through, Sam Addoms would have stepped aside as CEO. I'm glad that didn't happen. But it's also true that one airline can survive (and flourish) where ...
Jump to postHello. 1. No. Or rather, probably not. Each airport will have it's own catering service, and they're different flight lengths, so there should be some variety. Mind you, catering has changed since 9/11. 2. Yes. Some people think Aeromexico is better, but they're both pretty good in my book. 3. No. O...
Jump to postBasically, Western Pacific (Westpac) went bankrupt. When they started, they threw money around like a sailor on shore leave. They used COS as their hub until it became clear that there wasn't enough traffic, so they began a move to Denver. They also tried to merge with Frontier Airlines, which seeme...
Jump to postThanks, VirginFlyer - i was a bit worried there for a moment, because Corsair offers about the best deal San Francisco (Oakland) to Paris. I checked the Nouvelles Frontieres website (they own Corsair) and they're still taking bookings for Noumea - but it may be with Air France, as some kind of deal....
Jump to postYou're taxing my brain here, but: In the late forties and early fifties BOAC invested in a number of subsidiaries in Africa and the Middle East to fly local (colonial) connections for BOAC's long haul routes. Aden Airways, based in Aden (duh!) served the Red Sea area, Arab Airways, based in Jordan, ...
Jump to postSegment King: 9/11 - you say you posted the WTC attack "five hours before it hit the media"? I watched it live, on tv, it was 7 in the morning here, PST, 10 am in New York. The planes were only in the air for less than a couple of hours, so how could you have posted it five hours before it happened?...
Jump to postYears ago, we had this debate about another big plane - the 747. Everyone said the same thing then - it's too big, only a few airlines will buy it, too expensive, it wil never be profitable. And - critically - passengers will be scared to fly it. There was also the same talk about the ability of air...
Jump to postCorsair used to fly to New Caledonia as well, but I just tried checking the web-site (www.corsair-int.com), and I keep getting a "can't be found" message.
Did I miss something.? Did Corsair close down?
Cheers
mariner
I'm surprised that all you airline buffs would even consider a 15 hour flight, unless it is for business or an emergency. If you're on vacation, why not make it fun? Why take a non-stop, when you can have a stop over at some interesting places? London-Singapore- Sydney? You can have it.You arrive fe...
Jump to postIf I were one of the richest men in the world, and if I owned an A321, and if I had vast holdings in the U. S., I might decide on a trip to Boston.
Cheers
mariner
Don't know about the 318 yet, but Frontier is paying 24 million each for the 319's.
Cheers
mariner
Hey, Alessandro - yes, 1981, I think. As an add-on, if the flight was "interesting", the arrival at Baghdad was worse. I was the only westerner on the flight, and customs and immigration decided to have some fun with me. 4 hours at Baghdad airport before they let me in (including a FULL body search)...
Jump to postYes, Garudarod, you're quite right - I left out Sacramento. Thanks for correcting me.
Cheers
mariner
There's more. They're adding three new cities - Fort Lauderdale, New Orleans and San Jose. The last is with Frontier jet Express (code share with Mesa) using CRJ's. They're flying almost all their pre-9/11 schedule and are getting 8 new A319's in 2002, returning 6 373's. And hey, they're restored th...
Jump to postG'day, AirNewZealand: Never judge a plane by its livery! Some years ago, I flew with Iraqi Airways Bangkok to Baghdad. It was supposed to be a non-stop. Fairly empty out of Bangkok, we stopped in Bombay and picked up a lot of (very poor) "guest workers" bound for Baghdad. Stopped again in Dubai and ...
Jump to postAs I see it, Bob Ferguson (CEO) pulled strings with his political cronies so he would continue to have a job (who else would employ him?). Of course, there''s the matter of all the investors who lost their money when Midway went bankrupt (pre 9/11). And all the people who had worked hard for the air...
Jump to postI have no affection for BA, but why should they upgrade you or anyone? It's a business (and they're losing a big bunch of money). You've paid for a service which they wil provide. But why should they give you a more expensive product when you've paid for the cheaper one? How often would Tiffany give...
Jump to postThis has been fairly well covered on this board. There's a photo of the prototype A318 (no paint except the tail) posted on 11/30/01 by Sonic99. Use "search" and type in 318. Look at the second page. It is planned that the prototype will fly in January '02, with deliveries due to begin at the end of...
Jump to postLowfareair: If you're right, I think that's sad. The "critters on the tails" have become an integral part of F9, and are a splendid marketing tool - free advertising. Whenever I'm at an terminal and an F9 plane comes in, there is an always a small buzz of expectation (which critter?) and a move to t...
Jump to postAgnusBymaster: If that's what you've heard, that's what you've heard, but it doesn't relate to any experience I've had with Frontier. I've always found the staff (ground and air) pleasant and jolly, and the airline to be fairly punctual. I've flown with them a couple of dozen times, and only once wa...
Jump to postBA:
If you ever take any, let me know. You surely know your stuff and I like your style - I'd be interested to see your pics.
Cheers
M
BA: Then I would think BMI has to be on the potential list, at the very least. Clearly, F9 has a soft spot for the destination. Off topic: I see you are an aviation photograher. Any pics you're proud of - such as the 4th Frontier 319 - the swan? Cheers Mariner PS: Kwbl - sorry - I don't know much ab...
Jump to postHi, BA: I guess we're all asking the same questions. Since they plan to have 7 planes in service with Frontier Jet Express by the end of 2002, that's several new cities. COS? Maybe, but you're right about UAL. Mind you, that's never stopped them before. BMI? Interesting. I hadn't thought of that. Bu...
Jump to postThey went bankrupt the first time, they went bankrupt the second time. Once bitten, teice shy, three times extremely nervous. And I'm not hearing a lot of sympathy for all those investors who lost ALL their money on MDWY 2 when it did go bankrupt. But Bob Ferguson still has a job, courtesy of his po...
Jump to postGreg: Yes, UAL could easily destroy Frontier. But (a) why haven't they?, and (b) why would they want to? The DOJ would come down on them like a ton of bricks. Doing battle with a major like Continental is one thing, but Frontier serves a useful purpose for UAL. (i) it means they can avoid anti-trust...
Jump to postThanks, LY744.
I guess my real question is this: is Palestinian still flying, using Al Arish as the base instead of Gaza? Or are they "on hold"?
Cheers
mariner
According to another thread, the Gaza Airport has been closed for a year. But the Palestinian Airlines site says they introduced a new service to Damascus in August 2001. At the same time, the "scedules" icon on their site is dead. There's some brief talk about an airport called Al Arish. Anyone kno...
Jump to postBA: Sorry, didn't mean to offend. Perhaps I worded it wrongly. I was actually (a) agreeing with you, and (b) adding the very small amount of knowledge that I have. And, if I'm going to be very honest, part of it is wishful thiking on my part. I'd love to see A320's at F9, so I latch on to any hopefu...
Jump to postSFOintenn: In early 1998, Frontier has about 8 million in the bank. By the start of the "summer of hell" they had nearly 100 million in the bank. While the summer of hell was obviously good for them, it wasn't the only reason for their success. SegmentKing: F9 doesn't claim to be a low fare airline,...
Jump to postJust be aware that Frontier has cut out the snack service since 9/11. Otherwise, it's a good ride.
Probably the nicest thing for me is that the staff are always cheerful and friendly.
I fly with Frontier whenever I can (the FF program is great).
Cheers
You're in for some fun. The seats are slightly smaller than you would wish, but you quickly forget that. Service is great, if a tad rushed - they don't have an awful lot of time. Going through the sound barrier is no biggie, or it wasn't for me - they say you may feel a small "pushback" into your se...
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