A retaliatory flight at MSP is such a throwback to the NW days. I remember when NW announced DFW-LGA right after AA announced MSP-LGA. Did that NW route ever actually launch? I recall at least one NEW "retaliatory" route around that time (early 2000s) coming totally out of left field bein...
Jump to postDTW-HPN has been flown since the 1980s. NW flew it with DC-9s up through 2005/2006 then moved it briefly to CR2s and then to CR9s since 2007s and ever since. I think the ARJs were in there for awhile too. MSP-HPN was operated for a period in the 90s and early 2000s with DC9s and ARJs. DL flew CR2, ...
Jump to postMCO is a flight attendant base and so is NYC. I don’t think they’ve ever built trips out of HPN, but it would be easy to route the plane and flight crew in from ATL. FAs could be from another base or maybe they’ll build the trips as co-terminal turns. HPN is not a co-terminal, but there are many FA...
Jump to postTo be fair, airline fares from the US mainland to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands are filed as international fares. Don't ask me why; I've always wondered but never found out the reason. Not to excuse the mistake, because it does show a lack of geographical understanding, but if you're just look...
Jump to postI’m confused, it doesn’t say anything about SJU being international They updated it since my post. I have a screen shot I will figure out how to post. For over 10 hours the headline was Avelo announces first international flight, from the USA to Puerto Rico...now it is finally corrected. To be fair...
Jump to postDisagreed. While I agree some impact, I’d argue that 70-75% of Avelo traffic is coming from people who would ordinarily use JFK/LGA/EWR/HPN. Certainly BDL has taken a slight hit, but maybe 100-200k, which is being offset by Breezes large expansion at BDL. BDL continues to rise YOY over 2021 & 2...
Jump to postSo now IAH could have 2 HND flights. Why? What is the connection between IAH-HND….connections? Does NH have that much larger of a network from HND than NRT? IAH absolutely doesn’t have the O&D for 2 HND flights, so it has to be connections. Conversely, Boston has zero Haneda flights. DL would b...
Jump to postThis is exactly what gets Delta pilots upset. There is no way both DL and AF operate this route. DL is handing this route over to AF and while that make no difference because of the JV it does make a difference to DL pilots and even DL flight attendants. If the plane is just moved to another DL TAT...
Jump to postI don't understand why they are throwing the hat into LCC/WN territory like the p2p LAS stuff and AUS-MCO. I'm sure they did the math and know what they are doing. Wonder if they smell blood in the water coming from WN? DL was flying a bunch of P2P intra-west routes out of LAS prior to Covid, inclu...
Jump to postAdEd wrote:DL is also adding seasonal daily LGA-NAS.
I don't understand why they are throwing the hat into LCC/WN territory like the p2p LAS stuff and AUS-MCO. I'm sure they did the math and know what they are doing. Wonder if they smell blood in the water coming from WN? DL was flying a bunch of P2P intra-west routes out of LAS prior to Covid, inclu...
Jump to postIt looks like Delta continues to take small baby steps to resurrect their point to point network that existed pre-covid. I'm hearing (not sure if anyone can confirm this) starting later this fall Delta will resume or launch nonstop service between MCO-AUS, AUS-LAS, LAS-SMF, LAS-SAN. Also hearing De...
Jump to postThere are some competitive adds that DL can make against UA at BOS/CVG/LAX/JFK, including the following: BOS-IAH, CVG-IAH, LAX-ORD/CLE/EWR, and JFK-EGE/HDN/MTJ/SMF Is DL likely to add any of the above nonstop routes? If so, which of the above nonstop routes would be most likely to be added by DL? T...
Jump to postIF DL we're to do any expansion in PHX it would be to other focus cities or LAS (pre covid they did some P2P shorthaul out of LAS). The mostly likely markets would be CVG, LAS, MCO, AUS, RDU, but doubtful any of those happen other than maybe seasonal CVG. Expansion to existing hubs is far more like...
Jump to postRDU-CVG RDU-CUN CVG-CUN https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article276703641.html https://dayton247now.com/news/local/delta-offer-nonstop-flight-cvg-cancun-mexico-direct-route-vacation-leisure-destination-airline-cincinnati-northern-kentucky-international-airport-ohio Credible rumour that Delta...
Jump to postAvelo will open a base at LAS from September, consisting of one B737-700 and 4 destinations, all twice weekly: -Arcata (ACV) -Brownsville (BRO) -Dubuque (DBQ) -Redmond (RDM) (finally!) https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1671867174565335046 A great opportunity for growth. Much like MCO, people from...
Jump to postAvelo will open a base at LAS from September, consisting of one B737-700 and 4 destinations, all twice weekly: -Arcata (ACV) -Brownsville (BRO) -Dubuque (DBQ) -Redmond (RDM) (finally!) https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1671867174565335046 Very cool news. Always thought that LAS would be a good pl...
Jump to postThey don't have enough planes to shift them around. They're needed in other hubs which is why they're not in NYC. And they're throwing tons of money into the regional pilot hiring, but guess what they're all paying very well now and maybe, just maybe the pilots just aren't choosing AA. Sure they do...
Jump to postDomestic-wise? Probably BOS. Lots of A220/A321NEO action. Not as much RJ action as LGA. SLC is probably up there too with all the A220s based out of there. Best long-haul wise may honestly be DTW. Lots of A350s and A330neos for the long-haul routes. Though I'm sure some will say that's impossible s...
Jump to postMy personal opinion is that the NEA was actually good for consumers, as it truly makes NYC a 3 horse town and all on an equal footing, but from a legal standpoint it absolutely "reduces competition" so I get the ruling. Depends on the consumers - based on the evidence mentioned in the foo...
Jump to postBeen looking through some of the top non-hub stations by each of the Big 3, and wanted to check out how big DL has gotten at AUS, and was a bit surprised how far AUS is still down the list (even with the July adds). Thanks for doing this! I’m actually surprised how high it is on that list. I was ju...
Jump to postStill too close IMO. Market doesn't warrant an Avelo base in SWF and probably not worth being a spoke either. Avelo could do PBI, MCO, FLL and SRQ with 2-3 weekly flights. B6 does all but SRQ multiple times daily from an airport right down the street. Are you talking about HPN? If so then you can m...
Jump to postPer another thread, MLB to HVN and RDU have both been loaded; each 2x weekly, RDU on a 738, HVN on a 737.
HVN to Florida demand appears to be effectively limitless.
Anyone else take a look at Breeze's schedule extension into November. Some interesting (and quite a few) omissions, for example I don't see HPN-LAX, SNA-CMH/PIT/CVG, loaded in past September. Maybe this is only a partial load and they're still mulling over how to allocate the rest of the fleet? Oth...
Jump to postNew interview with avelo CEO https://westfaironline.com/aviation/exclusive-avelo-airlines-ceo-andrew-levy-on-the-reanimation-of-tweed-airport/ Some things in there like they’ll fly to Sikorsky if it becomes viable 2-3 more florida cities from HVN is possible I find avelo’s CEO confidence is good, r...
Jump to postConsidering the struggles of the airport for decades that is truly an amazing accomplishment. Bravo to all involved.
Jump to postLGA is right on the water, I've never understood why the MTA didn't just launch a high speed ferry route to Manhattan w/connections to the Subway. Much cheaper than a train with all the traffic avoiding benefits. Absolutely should work, but never tried The Delta Water Shuttle used to have a high sp...
Jump to postWith the additional deliveries of mainline aircraft DL needs to beef up frequencies out of SEA (MCI, MKE, IND, DFW etc..) to retain gates, and re-build a presence in Chicago, Miami, and Dallas/Fort Worth. These are three large stations from the past that are today huge holes in the network. I initi...
Jump to postSouthern is ending their New England operation. My guess is the year round services and EAS make more sense from a logistics perspective compared to setting up a seasonal base. https://nantucketcurrent.com/news/southern-airways-express-ending-nantucket-service I have to wonder if 9K sticks around i...
Jump to postMidwestindy wrote:Welp, looks like DL is cutting BOS-HPN in after October....
This article says DL is looking to give some LAX routes bigger aircraft. What routes do you think are candidates for this? https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-terminal-3-lax-sky-way/amp/ Maybe the transcons? I could see that. At one time the ATL flights were almost exclusively widebody, but now it'...
Jump to postIt seems MX changed the HPN LAX flight from 0830 am to 1730 then the return to HPN is now a redeye. It looks like it now operates on time as before it was rare to be on-time. That timing is gonna be brutal, especially going back east. I mean, a redeye is a redeye; this one is scheduled to get in ju...
Jump to postMaybe this YHU thing will just accelerate ADM's plan for terminal expansion at YUL. It was pushed to 2035 at the beginning of the pandemic but who knows. As for rail connections to YHU, at best there would probably be a shuttle bus between the new terminal and either Saint-Bruno or Saint-Hubert tra...
Jump to postIf Via trains make a stop, that's 13 trains a day in each direction (7x exo + 6x Via). It's starting to look respectable. Anyways, it looks like they're going for a shuttle bus to downtown. At least, they're thinking about transportation. Given that the station is offsite I don't think that the tra...
Jump to postThe current St. Hubert stop is on the wrong (Western) side of the airfield. It looks like the terminal will be on the Eastern side. And yes, the commuter trains that stop there (7 a day in each direction) are concentrated in the morning and evening peak, so only moderately useful right now. An infi...
Jump to postI'm obviously biased here, but feel that COS and FNL are very similar. They both have very similar population numbers and economics. COS is 70 miles from DEN and FNL is 55 (roughly). I am glad that they are going into COS with three flights weekly. They began service at FNL with twice weekly to BUR...
Jump to postLGA-SLC is outside perimeter. As is DCA-SLC, but DL has exemption slots at DCA that don’t exist for LGA, so it is served. DL can operate Saturday-only nonstop flights out of LGA to SLC/SEA, and AA already operates Saturday-only nonstop flights out of LGA to a few beyond-perimeter destinations such ...
Jump to postNot sure when it started, but the 220 is now doing the RON for LGA-SYR. Once an all regional market, nice to see mainline there. Looks like it’s also doing BOS-ROC, think it was an 321 when launched? BOS-ROC was flown on a 321? That's...a lot of plane for a route like that. DL was operating some pr...
Jump to postNot sure when it started, but the 220 is now doing the RON for LGA-SYR. Once an all regional market, nice to see mainline there. Looks like it’s also doing BOS-ROC, think it was an 321 when launched? BOS-ROC was flown on a 321? That's...a lot of plane for a route like that. DL was operating some pr...
Jump to postI believe I saw some inside turns in the past I.E. ILG-MCO-LEX-MCO-ILG or HVN-FLL-PHF-FLL-HVN but I haven't checked the schedules in detail lately Yes exactly, but those turns don't really make sense for a through flight from a passenger perspective - no reason to fly all the way down to FLL to go ...
Jump to postI feel like Avelo should at least offer one stop tickets. They have a few flights that could certainly double availability in days of the week you can book a flight. The Breeze model seems to be most cost effecient to avoid actually offering connections and having to transfer baggage and worry abou...
Jump to postThey could have picked ANY city in the midwest if it was simply to move A/C and crew around. BRO follows the theme of cities with no competition and cities with very little service. Hopefully it works out for them and yay for FINALLY connecting the dot. I imagine crew are happy to be able to non re...
Jump to postSATexan wrote:Anyway, SAT-LAX is underserved.
True to an extent… but the other part is how elastic demand is to schedule times. Obviously lower frequencies reduce the diversity of times a route can be flown. For example, as a hypothetical let’s say I am traveling on a work trip to CID, and would prefer to fly DL. At CID, DL only has the follow...
Jump to postSquatting on their HPN slots, rather than slugging it out to Florida against B6 (and now Breeze), or taking an even larger risk, like too much DTW-HPN or a nonstop MSP-HPN service? I know I'm getting old, but when I visited HPN ~20 years ago I do remember seeing a NW Airlink Avro RJ boarding for MS...
Jump to postSquatting on their HPN slots, rather than slugging it out to Florida against B6 (and now Breeze), or taking an even larger risk, like too much DTW-HPN or a nonstop MSP-HPN service? I know I'm getting old, but when I visited HPN ~20 years ago I do remember seeing a NW Airlink Avro RJ boarding for MS...
Jump to postI read an article from Triangle Business Journal that says an unnamed airline was working with RDU (Raleigh/Durham) to re-develop terminal 1, along with a 12-gate expansion. It is believed by some (based on other airport investments) that this unnamed airline was Delta, which was planning to take t...
Jump to postThe only thing DL's missing from ORD is LAX, and I'm not sure yet why DL hasn't thrown 3 or 4 daily A220s on the route and called it a day. It might get a heavy response from AA and UA, but certainly no more competitive than other routes DL's jumped into over the last decade or so (LAX-DEN, LGA/BOS...
Jump to postWith DL going big on GVA, I think that ends any chances for a seasonal JFK-LYS for awhile. LYS is a market that I'm surprised DL hasn't returned to; guess that it's a function of Geneva's proximity and the need to fill all of those CDG seats. AC (and seasonally Transat) makes it work with a 330 fro...
Jump to postA bit surprised to see DL go all in on JFK-GVA. True, there's only one operator there now, with LX (which probably has much of the corporate, NGO traffic to itself) and has for decades from SR to LX, along with UA at EWR, but presumably DL is seeing strong bookings and demand, given the catchment a...
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