In the 90s BA tried to grow LGW into a true hub, partly because many of their routes to key US destinations were 'stuck' at Gatwick. They marketed it as the hub without the hubbub, I think. easyJet did not buy any of BA's low-cost airlines for LGW slots. Go was based at STN and purchased from 3i BM...Jump to post
Having long term monopoly pricing power in Spain is also kind of appealing to IAG... :-) Slightly off topic here.... So IAG will own Iberia , Iberia Express, Vueling , Air Europa, Level, and codeshare with Air Nostrom...? Who’s left in Spain without IAG influence...? Giving IAG monopoly power in Sp...Jump to post
Giving IAG monopoly power in Spain is wrong. The reasons for rejecting this deal have not changed regardless of the pandemic. The regulators should not allow this to happen. The issue is that the "regulator" is the EU and they look at Spain as a piece of a common/open an larger EU market....Jump to post
British airways isn't Lufthansa Group. They don't know how to properly run a group. They became lazy when they know Heathrow Slots are constrained. Which lead them to maintain majority in their home turf. On a competitive market, they would got crushed. Don't let them take over mainland Europe. Bri...Jump to post
fcogafa wrote:TUGMASTER wrote:Slightly off topic here.... So IAG will own Iberia, Iberia Express, Vueling, Air Europa, Level, and codeshare with Air Nostrom...?
Who’s left in Spain without IAG influence...?
Volotea was offered slots to offset the deal
https://www.turama.es/iberia-a-punto-de-cancelar-la-compra-de-air-europa Seems that the airline might stay independent as IAG is looking to save money with the current ongoing crisis. At the same time Air Europa might just accept the previous terms from the deal made with IB. Your thoughts? This th...Jump to post
G-CIVN flew to Kemble today. BA Souce says that IVN will be scrapped. IVJ & IVL are at Kemble. A quick reminder, the pre-Coronavirus plan was for all BA 747s to be retired by February 2024, with the following numbers of 747s in the fleet at year end: • 2020: 25 • 2021: 20 • 2022: 12 • 2023: 3 F...Jump to post
BealineV953 wrote:BealineV953 wrote:TUGMASTER wrote:G-CIVF flew LHR-CWL today.....
...and G-CIVU positioned BOH-CWL yesterday, 05JUN, for maintenance.
G-CIVC positioned BOH-CWL today, 09JUN. BA Source states that this is for continued storage.
A quick reminder, the plan was for all 747s to be retired by February 2024, with the following numbers of 747s in the fleet at year end: • 2020: 25 aircraft • 2021: 20 aircraft • 2022: 12 aircraft • 2023: 3 aircraft G-CIVL flew to Kemble today. I'm hearing that IVJ and IVN will go to Kemble later t...Jump to post
As for the A380, of which BA has 12...do they factor into the future of BA? Hello. I don't mean to be unfriendly, honest, but this thread is about BA people and headcount. It would be good to stay on topic. Your question about the future of BA's A380s is a good one. Elsewhere there is a thread abou...Jump to post
BealineV953 wrote:TUGMASTER wrote:G-CIVF flew LHR-CWL today.....
...and G-CIVU positioned BOH-CWL yesterday, 05JUN, for maintenance.
Is there anyone out there from BA Network Development, Operations Planning or Ops Control that can give us a clue as to whether the 747s at Teruel will return to service? A quick reminder, the plan was for all 747s to be retired by February 2024, with the following numbers of 747s in the fleet at y...Jump to post
Braniff's 2nd 747-100, painted Green, often referred to as 'The Big Pickle'. It was rumored to have painted and ready for delivery to join up with 'The Great Pumpkin', only for Braniff to decline to take delivery of the aircraft. To date, no photographic evidence has yet to surface. There are model...Jump to post
AA Vasu Raja stated last year that AA was planning on moving into T5 https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1427813 I believe that this was to be JFK only, at least to start with. BA was to move flights to T3 to make gates available at T5. BA and AA would then be co-located at both LHR and...Jump to post
Maybe Heathrow Airport should complete the T2A building so that all airlines can use T2 and T5 in the foreseeable future. In the same time they can rebuild T3. The best time to do it before the passenger number go back to 60-70 millions mark. Good luck, by that time they will still be struggling to...Jump to post
My understanding is a move of other flights into T5 has a IT issue. LHR T5 has only BA systems, for other airlines they would need access to multi user sets, this would mean a complete hardware change of all PCs. You are correct, T5 has only BA (Amadeus / Fly) IT systems. There are no so called 'co...Jump to post
Was the long term plan to level T3 and rebuild it? It is of the oldest and out of date terminals? ! I believe the plan is still to level terminal 3 and build a terminal 2 extension in its place instead. I don't believe T3 was to be knocked down to be part of T2, rather to be linked to T5 so OW were...Jump to post
TUGMASTER wrote:G-CIVF flew LHR-CWL today.....
JumboMaiden wrote:Is there a larger breakdown for redudancy numbers in other departments?
Cabin crew numbers are quoted excluding IBMs.
As for thinking the company was close to going bust in 2009, wow! Even history has proved this was far from the truth! Move on! Okay, apologies this off topic but this needs to be addressed. As for 2009 - the airline was close to going below £1bn cash - below which credit card companies would have ...Jump to post
Time to get over the sacred-cow myth, fact is (except for anet) that beast is nothing special at all really. As for the aircraft being, as you put it "basic, uncomfortable noisy jet" that is "nothing special at all really". I'd argue that the 777, while not the first WB twin, pu...Jump to post
The 777 is very probably the noisiest widebody passenger jet still being manufactured into the 21st century, even the DC-10 felt quiet in comparison. And noise levels are not up to the airline, that’s a hard fact. . Do you have any factual evidence to back up your claim that the 777 is "probab...Jump to post
Should be the first of many, the 78X is very well-suited to BA. In a perfect world they might be used as a drop in replacement for LGW 77Es, but LGW doesn't get much love even when times are good! LGW gets no capital investment in new aircraft. Since the based B732 fleet in the 1980s, they have tak...Jump to post
Good points, selling something of value to prop up something of less or no value. It didn't work for Pan Am and I doubt it will for Virgin Atlantic. SRB does have some interesting associates. I don't think any of this will change the fact that the airline business will be radically different when w...Jump to post
What is the actual brand fee? Thus it would be great to know ….some numbers for how much it costs per year currently and how much it would cost per year going forwards if they are going to use this as a rallying cry to oppose government support for VS. A detailed report in the Business section of T...Jump to post
1) VS doesn't serve anywhere out of London non-stop that's not covered by other airlines. Now, if it wants to transform itself to be the lifeblood of northern england economy and build up Manchester and new castle, it should make that pitch now. Which is a pointless argument because it's providing ...Jump to post
I wouldn’t necessarily see VS as an airline that has made air travel more affordable if they’re charging the same price as the main brand or sometimes more? Maybe at the beginning but not anymore Virgin does not compete on price. Virgin fares are typically the same as BA's. That's how competition w...Jump to post
I recall BA had an association with UA in the 1980s. Both of their logos were slapped on everything in BA's terminals, including tickets and boarding passes. Joint BA/UA flight numbers would also be used. I don't know how UA reciprocated as I never used them at that time. There was also a time late...Jump to post
I recall BA had an association with UA in the 1980s. Both of their logos were slapped on everything in BA's terminals, including tickets and boarding passes. Joint BA/UA flight numbers would also be used. I seem to remember Concorde was exempted from any co-branding. I don't know how UA reciprocate...Jump to post
BOAC and later BA had "pooling" revenue sharing agreements with friendly competitors for want of a better term: QF and SA and IIRC AC come to mind. Back in the days with "friendly competition" and before deregulations there where many sort of cooperation, revenue share etc betwe...Jump to post
You can not really call the 1960's - 1970's cooperation between SAS - THAI International an Alliance in the 'current' understanding of an airline partnership. In the 1960's you had the 'developed' world (North America and Europe) and the 'developing' world (pretty well everywhere else), or worse, p...Jump to post
Unless the Govt can support every company, choices have to be made. If they give to VS, then they have to say ‘no’ to someone else. The question is ‘can VS find funds elsewhere’. If not, will any loan be repaid within a reasonable timescale. VS has two main markets, TATL and Caribbean. The first Bu...Jump to post
Alliances and JV's are different. But you can take BOS-LHR. AA/BA and VS/DL are the only options. In terms of operating carriers, AA is not even operating it, it is just BA. So even during Bermuda II, there were 4 operating carriers, even UA flew BOS-LHR until 2002 or so, and now the choice is even...Jump to post
Where you say "The truly anti-competitive nature of the TATL JV's" what exactly do you mean? In every market from Europe to and from North America the three alliances compete hard for business. For just about every origin and destination, each of the alliances will fight hard for a share ...Jump to post
Even if what you say is true, try finding an investor in the current environment with that kind of cash, patience and risk tolerance. Based on the people that "are interested", VS will be divided up by vultures. There is not a single airline group that can invest in VS at the moment. VS h...Jump to post
What if EK or EY takes over. Go head to head with BA and will give the Americans a run for their money on the Transatlantic routes. A non-UK or EU organisation can not own more than 49% of a UK airline. Air Service Agreements between the UK and other governments require that an airline nominated by...Jump to post
Can someone confirm if the 0.6% = £170 million in 2019 is true? Maybe this is where you should have started. Just because there is a royalty agreement in place does not mean the Virgin Group is receiving the royalties. The piece in The Times said that the undisclosed royalty was paid to Virgin Ente...Jump to post
jetwet1 wrote:Does anyone know if VS pays the Virgin Group a fee like every other non wholly owned Virgin company ?
this slot argument. they want more slots the ones they have already they can't turn a profit yet they want more...I don't understand the logic. and this argument of fly planes profitably how can you do that if you're making an operating loss? BA got them for free and BA's competitors have to chip i...Jump to post
There is a website - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_ethnic_liveries I haven't checked the accuracy of it 100% but it looks pretty complete. . Thanks for the link. The Wikipedia page appears to show all the World Images, although I wouldn't include British Blend, Olympic and Poppy. Th...Jump to post
I never understood the hate for the "World tails". I thought it was brilliant, celebrating the art of many countries and cultures. It is a shame that short sighted and closed minded politicians pressured BA into discontinuing the program. I saw some lovely designs that were never to see t...Jump to post
I think only a quarter or so world images were released. BA had apparently planned for several more to be released before the project was canceled. . Twenty-six different images were used on BA aircraft, including one that was used only on a Brymon DHC-8. The plan was to use around fifty. There wer...Jump to post
I doubt that the BA B747 that have gone to St Athan, Tereul and Kemble will fly again. First, many thanks to Virginflyer for your excellent posts. Regarding BA’s 747s, elsewhere is another thread (Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s) detailing the BA aircraft (all types) that ha...Jump to post
I know there are some BA pilots on this forum, who might be able to post their knowledge to cover these topics. Is there anyone out there from BA Network Development, Operations Planning or Ops Control that can give us a clue as to whether the 747s at Teruel will return to service? G-CIVL flew to K...Jump to post
I wonder how the fleet plans will change after covid. Even with the 380s people seem confident they’ll come back for BA but I believe even if they do certainly not all will and also the accelerated 747 retirements do they take on more 350s? Interesting times ahead This is on ch-aviation: IAG Intern...Jump to post
In the early 1980s BA absolutely did not have an ‘unreasonably high’ influence over Government policy. The situation was far more complicated than that. The Conservative Government of 1979 onwards believed in a free market economy and positively encouraged competition. It makes the decision by Mrs ...Jump to post
G-CIVD - May 2020 G-CIVH - Jun 2020 G-CIVJ - Jun 2020 G-CIVI - Oct 2020 G-CIVL - Nov 2020 G-CIVK - Jan 2021 G-CIVN - Feb 2021 My guess is that if the 747 fleet is to be reduced, it will be some or all of those will be retired earlier than planned. I know there are some BA pilots on this forum, who ...Jump to post
G-CIVL seems to be retired for good. Was ferried to Kemble earlier that day and I can't remember any 747 which has flown out of there on it's own wings. 1997 build. , You'll probably be right in the end but, according to http://www.thebasource.com, it's stored for now and will be among the last air...Jump to post
To answer your points. 1) VS doesn't serve anywhere out of London non-stop that's not covered by other airlines. Now, if it wants to transform itself to be the lifeblood of northern england economy and build up Manchester and new castle, it should make that pitch now. 2) Yet, there has been no shor...Jump to post
It's pretty well documented the predatory pricing and other generally dodgy tactics that BA "did" against Laker. . For a factual, impartial account of the reasons Laker Airways failed I strongly recommend ‘The Rise And fall Of Freddie Laker’ by Howard Banks, published in 1982. Banks was I...Jump to post