OMAAT is reporting that AA is looking to replace the A321T permanently on JFK-LAX/SFO with wide bodies and reconfigure the 321T into standard AA cabin layout. With the 321neoXLR coming online at AA in 2023, I don't see need for the 321T to remain in the subfleet. If the XLRs get the intl configurat...
Jump to postActually I think it was the reverse during the cross-fleeting days of UA and CO at LGA. LGA-IAH/CLE was largely reverted to sUA 757 and 319/320 and LGA-ORD/DEN went to sCO 737s. I do remember flying EWR-MIA on a sUA 757 in April 2012 (Adult Spring Break at age 24) and next door was a sUA 763 flying...
Jump to postI’ve always rather admired the 767-400, while somewhat rare in the USA it’s very rare everywhere else in the world, so always awesome to see one. Have to admit worst flight of my life was on a 764 with DL absolutely dreadful legroom, delays, by far the most uncomfortable 10 hour flight of my life. ...
Jump to postThat's correct, forgot about that. Once UA and CO combined and started cross-fleeting sUA 757s were on both LGA-CLE and LGA-IAH (ex-CO routes) and actually rather consistently for a few years. I think at one time LGA-IAH was mostly flown with a majority of sUA 757s instead of sCO 737 (briefly.) UA ...
Jump to postThey're doing a promotion for all AAdvantage members. Maybe that's slowing things down? There is a giveaway for all that have status from Gold all the way to CK.
Jump to postI actually think CO converted several widebodies to additional 737s because they straight up couldn't afford them or couldn't allocate them as needed. As a result, legacy CO really relied on legacy UA's fleet to help out the network when they combined out of EWR/IAH. LGA rarely ever saw UA widebody...
Jump to postI could see the 767 returning if Delta needs to raise money and sells off a bunch of LGA slots. I really don't think they can support their current network out of NYC anymore. Look how much has been suspended. And to whom would DL sell those slots, exactly? Every airline with a big footprint in NY ...
Jump to postI could see the 767 returning if Delta needs to raise money and sells off a bunch of LGA slots. I really don't think they can support their current network out of NYC anymore. Look how much has been suspended. And to whom would DL sell those slots, exactly? Every airline with a big footprint in NY ...
Jump to postArcticSEA wrote:With a full payload? Where did you think Delta was flying the 767 from LGA? Istanbul?
Will EI more to T8 at JFK and co-locate with the rest of OW, including AY, BA (2022), QF, CX, and AA and IB (2022?) ? I would think EI moving would be the biggest improvement in passenger experience if they are selling onward connection with AA since landing with pre-clearance would mean a seamless...
Jump to postThe idea was that all North Atlantic flights would move from ORY to CDG, meaning all US airlines would have to move, and that process would take time. I cannot remember the overall timeframe, but I distinctly remembering it seemed to take AA a very long time to make the move which worked well for u...
Jump to postThe idea was that all North Atlantic flights would move from ORY to CDG, meaning all US airlines would have to move, and that process would take time. I cannot remember the overall timeframe, but I distinctly remembering it seemed to take AA a very long time to make the move which worked well for u...
Jump to postThey couldn't maintain any frequency running aircraft that big. They're already laggards - 2x JFK-LAX tomorrow vs. 5X DL and 4x B6; 1x JFK-SFO vs. 5x EWR-SFO. No they can't maintain the frequency with 772s/787s but right now, it's not about frequency. It is about leisure demand. Yes, DL are 5X dail...
Jump to postOMAAT is reporting that AA is looking to replace the A321T permanently on JFK-LAX/SFO with wide bodies and reconfigure the 321T into standard AA cabin layout. I wonder why AA would do this while they need all the cash they need. I would thought now and near term would be the most inconvenient times...
Jump to postThey couldn't maintain any frequency running aircraft that big. They're already laggards - 2x JFK-LAX tomorrow vs. 5X DL and 4x B6; 1x JFK-SFO vs. 5x EWR-SFO. That’s a product of how AA is minimizing capacity that overflows central hubs. They are not a laggard in NYCLAX don’t be ridiculous. I guess...
Jump to postIt's likely they'll use the slack in the 777/787 fleet and use those... They couldn't maintain any frequency running aircraft that big. They're already laggards - 2x JFK-LAX tomorrow vs. 5X DL and 4x B6; 1x JFK-SFO vs. 5x EWR-SFO. No they can't maintain the frequency with 772s/787s but right now, i...
Jump to postIf the A321T is reconfigured to standard A321 cabins, they won't be plying the JFK-LAX/SFO routes. It's likely they'll use the slack in the 777/787 fleet and use those, where demand is greater for leisure and not premium at the moment. I don't see AA pulling the plug on LAX or SFO from JFK. They hav...
Jump to postOMAAT is reporting that AA is looking to replace the A321T permanently on JFK-LAX/SFO with wide bodies and reconfigure the 321T into standard AA cabin layout.
Jump to postBDL-AMS was one of them. And DL had a pretty significant TATL operation from JFK even before the 2008 merger with, stemming from the 1991 acquisition of Pan Am's Europe network (which did not include LHR). NW did not use a lot of 757s across the Atlantic. DTW-DUS was a 757 route, as was a short-live...
Jump to postIt did take time. IIRC, Delta was running CVG-ORY in 1993. Delta moved to CDG in 1999/2000. Early to mid-1990s, they were at ORY. This was after the formation of SkyTeam and DL wanting to be at the same airport as AF. Correct. It was the AF/DL agreement that triggered the DL move to CDG, but AF was...
Jump to postMIflyer12 wrote:flyer56 wrote:The idea was that all North Atlantic flights would move from ORY to CDG, meaning all US airlines would have to move, and that process would take time.
It did take time. IIRC, Delta was running CVG-ORY in 1993.
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Jump to postPan Ams London operations are more my area of knowledge, but I believe Pan Am flew CDG to Miami, New York JFK and Washington IAD. Miami was technically Pan Am last timetabled transatlantic route as this was the only route that Delta left Pan Am to operate when it became a MIA based airline, while I...
Jump to postWas Pan Am's CDG operation limited to just one daily JFK and MIA (post National)? Did PA have SFO/IAD to CDG too? I don't recall Paris being a major station for PA the way it was for TWA which had JFK 2 times daily and briefly 3 with the short lived daylight flight, STL, BOS, TLV, and intra-Europe t...
Jump to postWhy did Spirit demolish the Eastern Concourse at Terminal C? Terminal C was owned by Delta, or leased by DAL, not Spirit, though Spirit relocated its operations there once American consolidated everything into the Central Terminal building (From C, AA was operating its shuttle to DCA and BOS, plus ...
Jump to postThe idea was that all North Atlantic flights would move from ORY to CDG, meaning all US airlines would have to move, and that process would take time. I cannot remember the overall timeframe, but I distinctly remembering it seemed to take AA a very long time to make the move which worked well for u...
Jump to postGreat report and a reminder of better days (and that they'll be back hopefully soon). I flew the reverse of this route on my way back to NYC from Sydney when it was still operated with a 747 that originated at BNE and had performed BNE-LAX before continuing on to JFK. What I remember the most was th...
Jump to postLGA has no demand right now. Why is this so hard to figure out? JetBlue is running far more Florida flights right now out of HPN than LGA. B6 isn't even relevant in the LGA market. It was 1/10th the size of DL for 12 months ending 9/2020. It was 1/10th the size of DL for all of 2019, too. How recen...
Jump to postNot at all surprising. AS wants to axe the entire Airbus fleet and simply back around the 737. Some press coverage suggests the A321s will stay (10 frames) but over time and rather quickly, they will just become a further operational complexity and an expense. I see the A321 at AS being sunset at AS...
Jump to postAs in there are four of them? The A380 is a white elephant. It was a vanity project to close the gap with Boeing, ill timed, expensive, and ill suited for all but a handful of routes. It is a technological marvel and a really nice ride, with higher cabin humidity, quiet engines and a quiet cabin, bu...
Jump to postIs there a running list of "former hubs that have lost the most transoceanic service"? I would imagine STL is near the top of that list. CVG, while still a focus city, also once had a lot more transoceanic than the one CDG flight they retain. MEM had AMS and CLE had LHR (or was it LGW?), ...
Jump to postSTL was very much a large hub for AA after it took over from TWA and flew to LGW and CDG. STL was never a big op for European flights, basically to the mainstays of London and Paris. JFK for TWA was always the European hub. AA continued this for a couple years past the buy out. The hub was well ove...
Jump to postWhen did Tel Aviv end? Are you sure it wasn’t flying? That ran right to the end I thought I have that combined AA/TW July timetable also - CDG & CAI were the only nonstop transatlantic routes left from JFK in July.Intrestingly DL began JFK-CAI the same month but shelved it after 9/11 as did TW/...
Jump to postI think it would make a lot of sense for West Jet to look into codesharing with AA now. I could see AA pulling down all their Canada service except for a few Toronto - LaGuardia flights and West Jet could fly all the LAX/PHX/DFW/ORD/MIA/CLT/PHL/JFK markets for AA. There is no way AA will want to ke...
Jump to postDue to Corona these flights operate as cargo only flights. No passengers have been transported between JFK and HEL since the spring. When Corona first struck China, AY initially decided to move capacity to the JFK route, and they added a rotation AY15/16 to the schedule, that was an evening / late ...
Jump to postIt looks like the Finnair nonstop between JFK and HEL departs at 11:50pm daily. As far as I recall, it was always a late afternoon departure from JFK. Any reason why the schedule has shifted? Is it because there are fewer connections now with COVID19 or aircraft utilization has changed? Lately, the ...
Jump to postbulldoze all 3 of the hot dumpster fires and build a brand new massive airport in lower bay right off Staten Island with high speed rail to major train stations in NYC and jersey, like real airports in civilized nations Ah Staten Island...wouldn't it be great if it were redeveloped into one big air...
Jump to postThe DOT decision was incredibly over-reaching and a slap in the face to WestJet and the Canadian competition authorities who approved the transaction more than a year ago. I would not be surprised to see both carriers walk on this approval, which comes at too high a price. AA/BA walked on an ATI ap...
Jump to postI flew LGW-ORD or STL several times in the early ,mid 80s. Pretty sure it was a 747 every time. In the early to mid 1980s and until 1991, TWA flew LHR-ORD on the 747 before the route was sold to AA in a transaction separate from the $445 million sale of the JFK, BOS, LAX route authorities TWA had t...
Jump to postNot meant to be an exhaustive list but some I remember:
JFK-MAN, BHX (for a short time, until it went 757)
LHR-CDG, VCE, FCO, MXP, ATH, LCA, MAD, ZRH, AMS, EDI, IST, ARN, FRA, EWR, NCE, OTP, DTW, BWI, TLV.
Why would B6 want slots at LGA? They have a 4 gate terminal. Plus aren’t they making a power move in EWR Will B6 move out of the MAT at LGA once everything is built? Likely, yes given the AA/B6 partnership which will include some cooperation there too. As for EWR, they are indeed continue to grow i...
Jump to postIs there a running list of "former hubs that have lost the most transoceanic service"? I would imagine STL is near the top of that list. CVG, while still a focus city, also once had a lot more transoceanic than the one CDG flight they retain. MEM had AMS and CLE had LHR (or was it LGW?), ...
Jump to postI flew a TWA 747 from STL - JFK in August of '94. Wondering if that was a sub or a one stop to Europe. Might have been a one stop to TLV. Because I believe that TWA used to have a nonstop JFK-TLV. It used to be a 747. JFK-TLV was definitely on the 747 originally, and then continued with the 763. Pr...
Jump to postIs there a running list of "former hubs that have lost the most transoceanic service"? I would imagine STL is near the top of that list. CVG, while still a focus city, also once had a lot more transoceanic than the one CDG flight they retain. MEM had AMS and CLE had LHR (or was it LGW?), ...
Jump to postTW never flew STL-FCO nonstop (expect for the time they carried the Pope). The schedule may have shown TW 842/843 as flying STL-FCO, but in reality 842/843 were "change of gauge" flights that were L1011s (and later 757s) from STL to JFK. Then, TW 840/841 operated JFK-FCO with the 747 (and...
Jump to postI remembered TWA flew lots of L1011 from STL to LAX, SFO, JFK, ORD, ABQ, SEA, PDX, MIA, MCO, MCI, LGA, EWR and other 747 was to HNL, LGW and JFK plus sometime ORD and 767 used to CDG, LGW and FRA. Now STL is no longer hub anymore. IIRC TW even offered a nonstop STL-OGG service on the 767 - which AA...
Jump to postWhat equipment did TWA use on flights to Europe from STL? At its peak, did STL serve more than just CDG and LGW and were the flights daily? I can’t seem to find any information regarding TWA’s European ops from STL. Thanks! Hi there, TWA only flew to LGW and Paris CDG from STL. The 747 was at the b...
Jump to postI suspect many of those parked planes will stay exactly where they are. Between COVID19 and the public's likely unwillingness to fly the plane, only a handful will be back in the air any time soon.
Jump to postWhy doesn’t the new Terminal have international gates? Wouldn’t it free up slots at JFK if flights from Ireland and Iceland were allowed to arrive at LGA? LGA's runways are too short for a fully tanked pax jet to fly across the pond. Big jets can land at LGA (the largest, most recently was the 767-...
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