Something at ISP, given its location, should work, but not sure if its F9. Maybe SY, G4, or a new start up? I think Allegiant is a pipe dream - unless they've had an extreme change of heart. They tried PGD-ISP back in 2014 (?) and it failed. If it doesn't work for Frontier it isn't going to work fo...
Jump to postPulled from USDOT data these are Frontier Airline's load factors by station and route. BUF started late in the year, but apparently did quite well, but SJU's high performance is interesting given the hurricanes.4 Good stuff. That must have been a lot of work. I share your enthusiasm (surprise?) at ...
Jump to postDon't get me wrong, I would love to see F9 do well at RDU. However, they entered cities like ATL/TTN/MIA/CLE/MDW/COS/etc with a bunch of routes, but pulled back just as fast as they came. I hope RDU works out like CVG, which has continued to grow steadily and will see a lot of connections this summ...
Jump to postcvgComair wrote:I wouldn't look much into the adds unless they stick around another year.
Looks like they had three routes, DEN/TTN/ILG. As I said earlier, that was a mistake on my part, I thought it grew bigger. ORD is a better example, F9 has gutted their routes there many times. "Gutted"? Oh, well, if that's how you see it. They fly nearly twenty or so routes out of ORD, wh...
Jump to postMidwestindy wrote:I think you inadvertently proved his point
[They used to, but it looks like they only operated a handful of routes. It was kind of hard to see on the route map because they had a very large focus city in ORD as well. ORD is probably a better example as they have cut a bunch there as well. No, they only ever operated DEN-MDW. They swapped MD...
Jump to postcvgComair wrote:I hope RDU doesn't end up like ATL/CLE/TTN/COS/MDW/etc where they came in with a bunch of flights and pulled out as quickly as they came.
I wish I had a dime for every time some smart a.netter said that about Frontier destinations.
Well, maybe, but it is clear that RDU, for example, is becoming an east coast focus city.
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Side note: I did notice one quote from Buller district mayor Garry Howard: "Air New Zealand has lost its status as our national carrier because it's not a provincial service provider, it has decided to it's a volume provider out of the cities and I personally believe they will regret this.&quo...
Jump to postHaven't fact checked but I think the outpatient clinics would be at Grey Base Hospital, and the DHB traffic would be specialist doctors flying in for the day to do those outpatient clinics, so they'll be wanting either Greymouth or Hokitika rather than Westport. Greymouth is a possibility, too. CEO...
Jump to postWhy are the routes CHC - HKK and WSZ - WLG? Why not CHC - WSZ, or WLG - HKK? :scratchchin: . That's the the route which NZ dropped and Sounds took over - WLG-WSZ. I believe the route from HKK is CHC. At some point, somewhere in the future, perhaps WSZ-CHC will be added by Sounds - when they have mo...
Jump to postWe're starting to play in dangerous territory here, this is one place without and air link that would be hurt.Especially in winter. HKK serves the entire West Coast so if removed would be a real kick in the guts. Sounds Air flies to Westport which is on the West Coast. According to Garry Howard, ma...
Jump to postI hate to be pedantic, but New Zealand is not part of any continent. It is two large and approximately 600 small islands. It is true, that geologically speaking, it forms part of mostly sunken continent called Zealandia, but that is not relevant for the purposes of aviation. I assume the "cont...
Jump to postWhat a strange question asked by the OP. Just because Sun Country has exited DCA, Frontier should? As I recall, Spirit exited DCA (in favor iof BWI?) long ago. Frontier would pay ready money - although probably not enough - to get more DCA slots if any were available, just as it would pay ready mone...
Jump to postMmmmm........ no. Without wanting to embark on yet another endless debate on semantics; an investment usually describes a considered, financially prudent share purchase for the purpose of capital gain. This "investment" - if we must call it that - was purely performed for the purpose of s...
Jump to postSo you picked the worse review to compare, you do realize this article was written by the sun in the UK which is notorious for its misrepresenting of the truth. I would not take what this fool has to say seriously, Perhaps you need more reviews before making a judgement, overall the comments from p...
Jump to postThere's been a huge to-do about the new Qantas service, PER-LHR, and rightly - the first time the two continents are been served by commercial aircraft, one of the longest flights in the world. But there is a downside and since NZ plans to join that long haul club, there's no point in ignoring it. B...
Jump to postI wonder what he means by this - PSO subsidies to maintain the likes of AKL - KAT? Does anyone know how Barrier Air is going? What he means by this is that Kaitaia is a town of less than 5000 people an hours drive from a bigger regional airport at KKE. As such, Barrrier is doing oaky, but only okay...
Jump to postdon't pretend it is just like any other private entity It is just like any other equity. The majority owners - the crown = draws healthy dividends every year. If they had changed the name - New Zealand Airways, say - it would have been the same thing. A new company with new capitalisation. mariner
Jump to postKashmon wrote:when you get bailed out by your nanny state government then there is a moral responsibility.
The hoo-haa goes on: https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018637516/air-nz-has-lost-the-identity-as-nz-s-national-carrier "Air NZ ‘has lost the identity as NZ’s national carrier’ The solution that two mayors have proposed (Whakatane and Buller District) is that NZ int...
Jump to postThis all in the midst of NZ's NZD 500k-sponsored Obama visit - utter disaster! That's a bit hyperbolic. Mostly, it's the media trying to stir up a tempest, and the sad thing is that in their rush to denounce NZ these knockers are knocking the airlines that replaced them - apart from Buller District...
Jump to postThis post was supposed to be an edit. LOL
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A former Far North mayor has jumped on the band wagon: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12017923 "Message from the Far North to Air NZ: 'You've got the bloody money to fly to Kaitaia' And there you have it, in a nutshell - NZ should use its profits to subs...
Jump to postNZ6 wrote:Is PPQ really hard done by?
That said, it's always open to the government to negotiate a "public service obligation" with NZ which would specify exactly which services the government wanted to protect, and how any losses on these routes would be addressed. But that hasn't happened, and until it does, government mini...
Jump to postI find it strange that this angle hasn't been discussed more here, as well as in the general media, including the arguable deception of the open day sponsorship and statement, as well as the comparatively low termination notice period, among other failings. All of this from the airline that constan...
Jump to postIt's disingenuous to blame NZ for failing to meet an obligation that they haven't had imposed on them. And if government, as the major shareholder, wants to impose obligations on NZ to take on specific routes, then it can do so but there will need to be a financial quid pro quo or the 49% non-state...
Jump to postSo a company that is owned by the Crown and has been bailed out by taxpayers throws a hissy fit because a politician expresses an opinion From my perspective, it's the Minister, Shane Jones, who threw the hissy fit first. He's the Minister for Regional Economic Development, but he doesn't seem to u...
Jump to postOh I 100% agree, I just hope CV can pull the required loads with the required minimum yield without the 'perks' (Lounges, Points, Connections etc etc). My only concern is WLG. There are some really cheap flights ex WLG and a fantastic lounge for Koru/Eilite members. The commute is long, but many co...
Jump to postI really hope not. On the other hand, I'm an optimist. I doubt that Air Chats would be going this unless they thought there's a quid in it. We seem to be at a point whereby - despite Shane Jones - the major (monopolist) airline is giving away small parts of its monopoly and is actively encouraging ...
Jump to postHere you go:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/102 ... land-route
"Air Chathams 'very interested' in taking over Kāpiti-Auckland route"
It's quite an interesting read.
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ikolkyo wrote:Indeed, I meant to say F9, Frontier Airlines
Let's see... NZ spits it at the 1900, withdraws fleet. Regions get anxious NZ will withdraw service. Nah no way not gonna happen. Then it happens - not filling enough seats. Plane's too big. Duh.Repeat when the Dash 8s go and they standardise on AT72s. I'd imagine Gisborne, Whangarei, Blenheim, Tim...
Jump to postKiwirob wrote:I could guarantee that the vast majority of people living in Auckland don't have a clue that this airport exists or that it offers scheduled flights.
I don't think that Andrew Crawford, CEO of Sounds Air, has been quoted in full. He made some statements which could be construed as negative to Kapiti Coast, but then he made a statement which was more positive: https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/102118262/air-new-zealand-to-axe-flights-from-kpiti-...
Jump to postSo my point is why do the regions and those anti NZ always complain when these decisions are made. Only when decisions negative to them are made and then usually only a few of the louder voices - for which the media is always looking. When decisions positive to them are made they'll be pleased. It'...
Jump to postI'm not so sure that aviation in New Zealand is truly a free market affair, or that if it is, it benefits us in all cases - for example, at Auckland Airport, little regulation around certain revenue streams and reporting has meant that the likes of parking fees are (unnecessarily) high, and accordi...
Jump to postNow if only someone could remind me that business is business etc. Ummm - business is business? I think its great that Air NZ is changing from the behemoth and is actively encouraging the small fry to take on routes which it has given up. I'm guessing it will be Air Chathams for the North Island an...
Jump to postWho's upset? The people who used it? - we'll that's nothing to worry about... hardly anyone is using it. :rotfl: That's the entire issue. I'm not sure why those who don't use it will be upset? Are you suggesting they are complaining about loosing something they don't use? Sure. An airport is a symb...
Jump to postplanemanofnz wrote:No - NZ has not dropped TUO.
I question the Major in this, does he understand what is residents want? They're voting with their tickets. Everyone wants an easily accessible airport but they more prefer cheaper airfares and a small commute. Why is he not looking at how to make WLG more accessible? (rail connection etc) Of cours...
Jump to postArion640 wrote:Yeah I must say - when I first saw this thread title the AKL-SCL came to mind..
I believe F9 got some sort of incentives to open MIA since at the time there were no low-cost carriers whatsoever. I don’t know what the incentives were or if they’re still in effect, though. Anyone can get incentives for new service to MIA, not just low cost. http://www.miami-airport.com/library/p...
Jump to postF9's presence at ISP doesn't look promising if it can't keep ISP-ATL daily in the summer. Even F9 at TTN, NK at ACY is daily in the summer to ATL, and like those there is no DL or even a WN nonstop to cite as direct competitors. Well, maybe. Unlike some, I never try to predict what's going to happe...
Jump to postAir NZ has announced they're pulling out of Kapiti Coast (PPQ): http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12009408 Air New Zealand stops Kapiti Coast-Auckland daily flights "On withdrawal, Air New Zealand will extend support to any other airline that operates the route a...
Jump to postDominion301 wrote:F9: They are trying, but nothing they do is very permanent --> F9 don't do hubs anymore.]
I think NZ has taken a courageous and necessary step towards normalising the wonderful area down south. Video is great well done to all. This is not about the safety video! LOL. What we haven't been told much is how extensive NZ's research in Antarctica is, according to Sir Rob Fenwick of the NZ An...
Jump to postGasman wrote:Your point being?