Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Copa Airlines will start its commercial 737 MAX-8 operations on July 5 and has outlined where is going to deploy it. Let me post the comprehensive list: Panama City – Armenia eff 06OCT24 Panama City – Aruba eff 02OCT24 Panama City – Asunción 08AUG24 – 30SEP24 Panama City – Atlanta eff 05DEC24 Panam...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Volaris El Salvador division will add San Salvador - San Jose service, on board 320 aircraft.

N3 4340.........SAL 07.00..........08.16 SJO.....320.......Tu, Fr
N3 4341.........SJO 09.01.........10.18 SAL......320.......Tu, Fr
Effective: July 02nd.

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Avianca will resume San Salvador - Lima route as shown:

AV 429....SAL 22.15.......03.25+1 LIM.....320........Mo, We, Fr
AV 428....LIM 01.35........05.00 SAL........320........Tu, Th, Sa

Effective: June 17th

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Avianca is again offering SAL-MAD flights for the height of the Summer season, from Mid June to mid September in the first instance. These flights are again operated by Wamos in A330-200 in a decent (not densified) configuration. This aircraft will also cover some SAL-LAX rotations. Wasn’t AV BOG-L...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

In my latest quarterly column for VoyagesAfriq magazine I take a controversial look at the dark side of African aviation growth as part of a deeper dive into the trends shaping the industry in 2024, naming and shaming Turkish Airlines in particular for its role in facilitating this. I haven't read ...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Wamos Air on behalf of Avianca will once again operate the Madrid - San Salvador sector as shown: AV 300....SAL 05.25.....00.10+1 MAD....332.....Mo AV 300....SAL 23.25.....1810+1 MAD.....332.....Tu, Th, Sa AV 301....MAD 02.30....05.40 SAL.........332......Tu, Th, Sa AV 301....MAD 20.40....23.50 SAL....

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Does anyone know why I can’t find PTY-LIR route this year with Copa? My guess is that CM most likely won’t return to LIR. Unlike SDQ, PUJ and HAV, LIR hasn't worked in the same dimension for those travelers who come from deep South America on CM. Even CM PTY-BZE 2x weekly is likely struggling becau...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Avianca is again offering SAL-MAD flights for the height of the Summer season, from Mid June to mid September in the first instance. These flights are again operated by Wamos in A330-200 in a decent (not densified) configuration. This aircraft will also cover some SAL-LAX rotations. Wasn’t AV BOG-L...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

They have their own special fares and the school kids pay even less. It is a mix. I didn't know that. The water-taxi service connects both San Pedro and Caye Caulker to Belize City regularly and reading the above post, both 9N and 2M are also catering a sizeble component of the O&D traffic dome...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

FlyingSicilian wrote:

Internal flights are very much used by locals.

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

You missed ORZ for flights intra-Belize. The route map displayed above showed the destinations flown currently on either 9N Tropic Air and 2M Maya Island Air. These airlines also supply chartered services to other stations that may not appear before, like Orange Walk, Corozal, Kanantik, Caye Chapel...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Belize is leading the amount of domestic flights regionally and all served by means of Cessna Grand Caravans. Belize City supplies two airports for these operations: Goldson International [BZE] and Municipal [TZA]. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/1276/8a0oox.jpg CUK: Cake Culker SPR: San Pedr...

Re: United Route Announcement 3/7/24 - New service to RAK, MDE, CEB. Added flights to ICN, PVG, HKG.

UA IAH-MDE 7x weekly with 737 MAX 8 will begin on October 27th.

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

avi8 wrote:

IAH-GUA is still flying

Re: United Route Announcement 3/7/24

dabpit wrote:

My guesses:
EWR-CAI
GUM-HND
IAH-CUZ

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

I am a bit surprised NK is cutting IAH-SAL given the massive VFR. Spirit Airlines used to fly some regional routes from Houston before. Only NK SAP-IAH left in service plus the resumption of NK IAH-SJO. Based on the records of the Cent Am aviation thread, NK IAH-MGA, NK IAH-SAL and NK IAH-SJO were ...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

NK IAH-SJO 7x weekly with 321 NEO will come back from March 06th onward. The 321 NEO will be changed for the 320 on April 10th. This route was previously served until 2016. San Pedro Sula is also leading the number of destinations served by Spirit Ailines in Central America: NK IAH-SAP 4x weekly, NK...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

do you think any chance that AV could incorporate as well SJO-MAD-SJO? It would depend on the availability of their 787-8s. Speaking about those flights of EB on behalf of AV last year, the priority for the airline was MAD-SAL over any MAD-SJO. Furthermore, the market is currently served by IB MAD-...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Avianca can do a flight BOG-MAD-SAL-MAD-BOG, so the 787 would not be based on SAL. It's a good point. Medellin and Cali are getting non-stop flights to Spain as AV MDE-MAD-MDE 4x weekly and AV CLO-MAD-CLO 3x weekly. These 787-8s are based exclusively in Bogota and usually scheduled as BOG-MAD-CLO-M...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Aerolineas Argentinas, AeroMexico, Avianca and LATAM are combining both narrow-bodies and wide-bodies due to their trans-continental services as well as for some long-haul routes within the continent like SCL-MIA, GRU-MCO, MEX-EZE and so forth. Copa Airlines is taking advantage of its geographical l...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

I think the most feasible chance in the mid-term for any Central American wide-body heading for Europe would be supplied for AV SAL-MAD, given the recent services offered last year for EB SAL-MAD 3x weekly with 330 on behalf of AV. However, I couldn't clearly imagine one or two 787-8s based on SAL f...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Do you guys think CM will eventually get wide-body aircraft? If they really want to get wide-body planes, they would have done it before. It's like asking why doesn't EK get either the 320 or 737 families ? It's not their model of business. They don't really care about it. Just my point of view... ...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

SJOtoLIR wrote:

AV SJO-CCS 3x weekly with 320 will be discontinued on March 02nd.

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Panama City will get soon two daily flights to Istanbul. IST is not well positioned for connections to Europe and the main sector attended might be the Middle East instead. When EK DXB-PTY with 772 was announced in 2016, it was promoted as the longest flight in those days. The project never came int...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

That one did not survive past the 3-month mark. Lack of traffic is being reported. Hopefully AV's BOG-CCS fares better. Moreover, the Costa Rica visa is compulsory for all the Venezulan passengers arriving to Costa Rica. TA SJO-CCS was daily 20 years ago and GRUPO TACA held an interline service wit...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

The triangle TK IST-BOG-PTY-IST will be gradually shifted from the 773 to the 789 this year. IST 09.40......15.05 BOG 16.35......18.10 PTY 19.50.......16.40+1 IST......Daily....789 Panama also gets the non-stop TK IST-PTY 5x weekly with 789 and it's expected to become daily, in the short term. . AV ...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Most likely they could not compete with CO and then UA via IAH. This is precisely the unsolved mistery about why AA DFW-PTY hasn’t worked succesfully. We can actually find at least one daily flight bound for DFW from either BZE, SAL, GUA, SJO and LIR. Furthermore, all these Central American station...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

At that time there was a demand for PTY - NRT / NRT - PTY immediate connections, but AA didn’t pay attention to that. Also, if the number of passengers DFW-PTY was very low, there were frequent cancellations regardless if PTY-DFW did have healthy loads, causing overbooking of its PTY-MIA. No doubt,...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

It’s because DFW-Central America is only significant in size to SAL and CM is so well served to the US that it’s going to be hard to compete with them unless there is significant O&D in play Yes, even AV SAL-DFW currently faces AA DFW-SAL. AV SAL-DFW has been in service since it was forming par...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

As for VCP, IIRC it’s the only route that was cancelled due to bad yields before COVID hit. I do expect REC and SSA to come back in a year or so. CM PTY-VCP 7x weekly ended up in December 2015. CM PTY-FOR 2x weekly worked from 2018 to August 2019. AA and DL failed in Northeast Brazil and few weekly...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

At that time there was a demand for PTY - NRT / NRT - PTY immediate connections, but AA didn’t pay attention to that. Also, if the number of passengers DFW-PTY was very low, there were frequent cancellations regardless if PTY-DFW did have healthy loads, causing overbooking of its PTY-MIA. No doubt,...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

You are focusing way too much on frequency when it’s all about yields/profit. Sure, Colombia might have the most frequencies, but it’s most likely less yielding than Brazil. A spokeman of the airline had said that Brazil is the stellar South American country for CM, but they were only generalities....

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

I'm keeping my doubts about Brazil as the main South American market for Copa Airlines nowadays. From the point of view of the supply of weekly flights: Colombia CM PTY-BOG: 49x weekly CM PTY-MDE: 44x weekly CM PTY-CLO: 23x weekly and others... https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/6317/dZilaJ.jpg ...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

BoeingGuy wrote:

AA should fly DFW-PTY not CM.

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

CM to TQO was unexpected. I know that last year CM made an announcement about taking a look at the airport. I wonder if TQO is similar to NLU. A flight to appease the Mexican Government? CM PTY-CUN 43x weekly is the stellar Mexican route for the Panamanian airline, over CM PTY-MEX 35x weekly. In my...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Comprehensive schedules on Copa Airlines. Panama City - Florianopolis. CM 423…PTY 15:23…00:12+1….Tu, Th, Sa…….738 CM 424…FLN 01:54…06.30……..Mo, We, Su….738 Effective: June 25 Panama City - Raleigh / Durham CM 466… PTY 08:56…14:28 RDU… Mo, We, Fr, Sa…. 738 CM 467… RDU 16:20…19:46 PTY…. Mo, We, Fr, Sa...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

It should be noted how Raleigh / Durham hasn’t listed among such US cities getting at least 10 000 foreign born residents from either South or Central America.
My former point is actually confirmed: the opening of a new US destination on CM this year wouldn’t surprise me.

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Regional changes on AraJet from Dominican Republic.

January 08: DM SDQ-SAL. 6x to 7x weekly.
January 09: DM SDQ-SJO. 4x to 6x weekly.
January 12: DM SDQ-GUA. 5x to 6x weekly.

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

The last press release states how Brazil is the second main market for Copa Airlines.
I had always thought about Colombia instead.
The USA is of course the main source for them.

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

What about the conclusion(s)? Is CM a good competitor? Is there enough market share to go around even if you are a mediocre carrier? Fares? CM is indeed an excellent competitor regarding its model of business based purely on its 737 fleet, adding its hub placed in the middle of the continent. CM MI...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

March 31 - May 31: AV GUA-LAX: 7x to 11x weekly
March 31 - May 31: AV GUA-JFK: 5x to 3x weekly
AV SAL-BOS: 3x to 4x weekly
March 31 - May 31: AV SAL-JFK: 14x to 18x weekly
March 31 - May 31: AV SAL-ONT: 3x to 5x weekly
March 31 - May 31: AV SAL-IAD: 21x to 25x weekly

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

What does surprise me is how they have carved 44x weekly into MIA. AA has direct flights to many Central and South Am cities. (why go thru PTY?) How many weekly flights does AV and Latam have into MIA? The situation of CM MIA-PTY 44x weekly, having the Central American stations non-stop flights to ...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

What does surprise me is how they have carved 44x weekly into MIA. AA has direct flights to many Central and South Am cities. (why go thru PTY?) How many weekly flights does AV and Latam have into MIA? The situation of CM MIA-PTY 44x weekly, having the Central American stations non-stop flights to ...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

So obviously, CM knows what they are doing and we can dispense with the talk of destinations like DTW and CLE while comparing them to markets like IAD. Just for clarification and based on my input 62: the VFR demand of passengers from stations like DTW and CLE to Central America is indeed low and i...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Most of CM's routes have large VFR components to them. IAD has a huge Central American and very large South American population. It had that in 2007. Central Americans in Washington are mostly coming from El Salvador and Guatemala and they're getting non-stop flights to D.C. One more credit to CM P...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Was 2007 not around the time AV was starting to consolidate with Taca and other airlines. They also also began developing more inroads into the US? So in hindsight, CM was smart to develop its market share. Avianca and GRUPO TACA consolidated its merger in 2013. CM PTY-IAD 5x weekly began in 2007. ...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

The DC area has long been home to one of the largest central and South American populations in the US and has had governmental based traffic to smaller cities in that region. It is also a huge magnet for immigrants from those regions. I had just quoted the negative feedbacks posted here in 2007 abo...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

You can’t throw out a route with no-demand and little hope of getting any and compare them to major markets with tons of demand and whose demand to Central/South America preceded CM like IAD. Well, CM PTY-IAD 21x weekly was classified in 2007 as a no-demand route with little hope of sucess. :wink2:...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Not mentioned, DAV, might already support SJO, BOG, MIA/FLL flights, has a sizeable - local and foreign - O/D market, but still may need some feed traffic (supposing hub-oriented CM would want to fly international out of DAV) to really keep the international service less dependant from DAV O/D.. So...

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Could PIT or CLE support CM??? Absolutely not. There is NO market there. We could have also asked about other US airports like DTW, STL, PHL or RDU and the answer would be likely the same: few demand of passengers. When CM PTY-IAD 5x weekly began in 2007, the same negative arguments were written on...