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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Delta further delays PDX-ICN launch till March 2022
Replies: 167
Views: 34138

Re: Delta to launch PDX-ICN in September 2021

It seems like this route is going to mainly rely on corporate traffic, and there's no telling if or when these companies (i.e. Intel, Adidas, Nike, etc.) will resume flying execs and other employees overseas for business trips. Any existing VFR traffic is going to be chasing the lowest possible far...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 1396
Views: 302590

Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

That's not to say they can't be leased again if needed. While it's likely that won't happen, it's a possibility. I wonder if they could get even more favorable leasing terms if they so choose to change their mind and fly them for longer. I doubt DL was paying much for them anyway -- if DL had decli...

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by WidebodyPTV
Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 1396
Views: 302590

Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

[Well IIRC some have already been returned to the lessor, so unlikely they all return. I also think it’s premature to say DL will need them in the near term. There are new aircraft deliveries and travel is still down double digit percentage points. Just glancing at the 10K filings, as the 717 were ...

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by WidebodyPTV
Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 1396
Views: 302590

Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

I get the sense that DL is bringing back additional 717s in the near-term for a couple of reasons. 1) Some of the parking may have been driven by the pilot training backlog and churn, not too indifferent than the A220 situation, with the giant shuffle for both CA and FOs. The 717 FO tends to be one...

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by WidebodyPTV
Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United returns to profitability
Replies: 68
Views: 11107

Re: United returns to profitability

Most of DL’s big ticket write offs have been foreign investments and early buyouts/retirement packages. 20-30 year old aircraft like those 757s, A320s, 777s UA will be retiring are not carrying a lot of value on the books that need to be written off. That’s one of the advantages of older aircraft. ...

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by WidebodyPTV
Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United returns to profitability
Replies: 68
Views: 11107

Re: United returns to profitability

Be careful with what daily cash burn numbers you use, they are not universal and standardize. DL, for example, does not include debt servicing in their daily cash burn while UA does (DL prefers to look at daily cash burn through a strictly operations lens). Delta is still paying money servicing the...

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by WidebodyPTV
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United returns to profitability
Replies: 68
Views: 11107

Re: United returns to profitability

Congratulations to United. Very well done. United acted very responsibly and effectively and took hard decisions to minimize losses. Its financial performance was the envy of the industry. To me, this is what true leadership looks like. Agreed. Hoping DL is not too far behind. DL stated that in Jun...

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by WidebodyPTV
Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United returns to profitability
Replies: 68
Views: 11107

Re: United returns to profitability

Are you saying the airlines have not been paying unemployment insurance? No, I did not. I said that typically, unemployment insurance benefits are covered by employer premiums. Unemployment benefits vary by state, but are typically include a limited amount of cash that lasts for a specified period ...

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by WidebodyPTV
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

miegapele wrote:
So, given Delta is back dumpster diving, is A380 on the cards?


I’m sure it’s just below buying back the 77L, and seeing if there’s any DC-8 available.

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by WidebodyPTV
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

papatango wrote:
What's going on with the Latam A350s only one showing Delta registration?


Lots of t’s to cross, i’s to dot and tape to cut through… it’s a legal process that takes time, not an entertainment one for us fan boys :).

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by WidebodyPTV
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United returns to profitability
Replies: 68
Views: 11107

Re: United returns to profitability

Correct. Payroll support is an alternative to unemployment insurance. Without PSP, there would be thousands of airline employees out of work. It's a far more expensive alterative to unemployment insurance. Even with the additional monies and time, unemployment payments are completely dwarfed by the...

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by WidebodyPTV
Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

First you said they don't, and now doubt. But I just said they had some people who delivered the first Airbus to NW also delivered the first Delta A321, and were highlighted previously in a Delta article. You're ignoring the meat of my assertions to split hairs. NW initially ordered the A320, A330 ...

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by WidebodyPTV
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

The final decision lies with the executive making the decision or recommendation to the board, not the minions. And it's not just clear cut case of "following the data," created by those minions. Final decision, sure. But this isn't the CEO of a small business owned by that CEO. This is t...

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by WidebodyPTV
Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

When NW made the deal for the 787 they did specifically mention the fuel savings over the DC10 and being replacements, but also having options to expand. The final DC10s stuck around for the NW/KL JV routes like MEM-AMS. When the 787 was ordered, internal fleet plans showed the DC-10 being phased o...

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by WidebodyPTV
Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

NW was so adamant to Boeing about getting the 788 delivered on-time to be the launch NA customer because they wanted to retire the DC-10s and had to lug them around until their last A333 deliveries. That's incorrect. In 2006, about a year after NW purchased the 787, it announced the final DC-10s wo...

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by WidebodyPTV
Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

The final decision lies with the executive making the decision or recommendation to the board, not the minions. And it's not just clear cut case of "following the data," created by those minions. Final decision, sure. But this isn't the CEO of a small business owned by that CEO. This is t...

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by WidebodyPTV
Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Richard Anderson was CEO of Northwest when they bought and delivered the A330, and at Delta when they bought it too. Makes sense. He was also at the helm of NW when they began planning for the 787 (but left the airline before the order was formally placed). This forum well overstates the authority ...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

I too wonder about narrowbodies. I expect some mid-size used orders, but I also expect something to replace the MD-80/90, 717, and oldest A320/737 in the fleet. DL will take delivery of 22 A321 this year. These were the de facto replacements for the MD-88 and MD-90 (in other words, the aircraft sch...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub
Replies: 57
Views: 7991

Re: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub

AAIL86 wrote:
Just asked if its was true!

WidebodyPTV wrote:
AAIL86 wrote:
Didn't DFW pass ATL in hub size during the pandemic?




Do you truly believe that’s a fair representation or benchmark?


It’s kinda like asking if more people visited Six Flags Over Texas last year than Disneyland (they probably did).

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub
Replies: 57
Views: 7991

Re: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub

Didn't DFW pass ATL in hub size during the pandemic? DL started pulling resources from DFW to build up ATL. There's no way ATL would be the hub it is today, if DL were hubbing at DFW as well. Ultimately, it worked out for both airlines. DL's departure also opened the door for ULCC to gradually buil...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub
Replies: 57
Views: 7991

Re: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub

There were many efforts over the years to optimize the DFW hub. The decision to close it up was driven by Subodh Karnik when he took over Planning & Revenue Mgmt. There was a last ditch effort to utilize RJs more and some efforts within RM to drive more traffic over DFW but both proved to not w...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub
Replies: 57
Views: 7991

Re: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub

[ Alas, it's inaccurate to say (by several people within this thread) that 'AA kicked DL to the curb at DFW.' If it hadn't been for the opportunity created at ATL by EA's demise, DL may have kept capacity stagnant at DFW, and would've been better positioned for growth when the DFW economy exploded ...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Well here I was wondering how DL would be able to plug the hole in their fleet that was filled by the 777. This, coupled with deliveries that happened during the past year or so, should allow them to operate their pre-covid network (they might have to downgauge some CDG/AMS flights that were on the...

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by WidebodyPTV
Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub
Replies: 57
Views: 7991

Re: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub

There were many efforts over the years to optimize the DFW hub. The decision to close it up was driven by Subodh Karnik when he took over Planning & Revenue Mgmt. There was a last ditch effort to utilize RJs more and some efforts within RM to drive more traffic over DFW but both proved to not w...

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by WidebodyPTV
Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub
Replies: 57
Views: 7991

Re: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub

Yes, but DL’s ATL hub has been the largest in the world since the late 80s. It’s not as if ATL wouldn’t be a mega hub today if DL had kept its DFW hub. DL heavily pulled resources from DFW in the early 1990s and re-deployed them to ATL. DFW may be the second largest hub in the country, but it's sti...

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by WidebodyPTV
Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub
Replies: 57
Views: 7991

Re: DFW Airport marks 40 years as an American Airlines hub

DL started pulling resources from DFW to build up ATL. There's no way ATL would be the hub it is today, if DL were hubbing at DFW as well. Ultimately, it worked out for both airlines. DL's departure also opened the door for ULCC to gradually build up a healthy presence, so consumers came out ahead a...

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by WidebodyPTV
Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule
Replies: 187
Views: 35618

Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Long haul flights rely disproportionately on premium fares for success. Yes, leisure travel is “roaring back,” but business travel isn’t and ultimately average fares will be finish near historic lows. Even WN is sticking to the idea that the next several years will continue to be a low-fare environ...

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by WidebodyPTV
Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule
Replies: 187
Views: 35618

Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

I don’t think retiring the 777 was the smartest move. You don't keep a fleet type - and a small, very senior pilot group - for one or two routes. DL could block twenty seats forever on a JNB-ATL A350 and still come out way ahead. I would almost guarantee that DL will be looking for used wide bodies...

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by WidebodyPTV
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule
Replies: 187
Views: 35618

Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

This thread reminds me of the infinite number of discussions we had on why the 359 couldn’t serve LAX-SYD, and that DL was so upset they were about to buy the 787 and toss the 359 to the curb. Literally tens of thousands of hours went into those discussions. How quickly they were forgotten when DL s...

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by WidebodyPTV
Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Airline Booking Trends during COVID-19
Replies: 2272
Views: 307843

Re: US Airline Booking Trends during COVID-19

Have you looks at kayak recently? They aren’t giving tickets away anymore. Fares are skyrocketing Not quite. About a month ago, peak summer fares free fell. I pointed this out in real time on another thread — for example, you could travel DL MSP-LAX for less than RT$150 most days, ATL-LAX for RT$25...

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by WidebodyPTV
Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule
Replies: 187
Views: 35618

Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Tags are expensive and unattractive. Status quo, most long-haul flights are hardly full. Could it merely be that DL cut the CPT stop knowing the loads into the future would be mediocre at best, and thus enabling the 359 to operate nonstop?

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by WidebodyPTV
Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 112
Views: 13750

Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2021

In February, it looks like Southwest passed Delta to become GRR's #2 carrier. Current March 2021 1. Allegiant- 22.24% 2. Southwest- 16.79% 3. Delta- 13.36% 4. SkyWest- 7.76% 5. Envoy- 6.76% March 2020 1. Delta- 23.97% 2. Allegiant- 14.67% 3. Southwest- 11.24% 4. SkyWest- 9.32% 5. PSA 6.15% March 20...

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by WidebodyPTV
Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:23 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: United Airlines and the 747-200
Replies: 41
Views: 2777

Re: United Airlines and the 747-200

The late model B742 had additional range and could perform JFK-NRT nonstop, whereas the classic 747 in UA’s fleet could not. UA acquired them to get a leg up on the competition (on JFK-NRT)...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

In range and overhead bins Delta's A321CEO's sure aren't more capable than 739's. Delta bought the range limited no extra fuel tank A321CEO's and also for some crazy reason bought a least some of them with bins that can't take a carry on dragger on end. Airbus must have cut Delta quite a deal to se...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

The thing I was always curious about in hindsight was the timing of the RFP, is where did the FL/WN 717 situation come into play? The RFP went out in 2011. DL announced the 100-order for 739 in Aug. 2011 and the 717 deal was announced in July 2012. Boeing was a player involved in that deal. I alway...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

You can't say its likely not true. DL still exercised options when they could have ordered 321s then, too. DL may have decided the A321 later for different missions. Put another way, just because DL later ordered A321s does NOT mean DL didn't seek out the 737-900ER or that it wasn't the right plane...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

It is disingenuous to say DL didn't "actively seek out" the aircraft. If it was an opportunistic buy, DL *wanted* the aircraft. It bought 130 of them, far more than the value of the 788s (which were subject to major delays by Boeing, not only DL). If we exclude airlines ordering new model...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Delta absolutely sought out the 737-900ER. While they got a good price, based on what they’ve financed with lessors, it was not the lowest price available. I know it’s hard to accept, but most airlines buy Boeing aircraft because it is the right plane for the mission and delivers value. It’s the sa...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 760
Views: 96323

Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

A downside of naming anything after a person is that, when public opinion of that person turns negative, anything named after them has to get a new name. For many years, Charles Lindbergh was an aviation hero, so Minneapolis named the main terminal at MSP after him. Now, most people associate Lindb...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 760
Views: 96323

Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

DTW North Terminal is being named after county executive Warren Evans. So beginning sometime next year, there will be the Evans Terminal (North) and McNamara Terminal. If I recall correctly, at one point during the Great Recession DTW tried to sell the naming rights to the North Terminal, but given...

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by WidebodyPTV
Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Can they bring back the 777s? Only been in the desert for a few months and have brand new interiors. Even if possible, logistics would make it challenging and expensive (e.g. pilots have already been moved to other fleet types, etc.). Not to mention, the ULH flying that was chased with the 77L larg...

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by WidebodyPTV
Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

DL did add to their -900ER order a couple of times, so I don't think its a stretch. (Yes, 10 were a put option by Boeing, but I firmly believe Boeing wouldn't have done that without DL's buy-in.) Not quite. In the early '10s, DL was shopping between the 739ER and 321CEO. Sources indicated DL prefer...

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by WidebodyPTV
Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

What a silly discussion. DL isn't going to order a single used jet that it had questions about its maintenance standards -- almost unquestionably, DL would've performed a preliminary inspection, as the costs to bring these jets to DL standards needs to be taken into consideration before negotiating ...

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by WidebodyPTV
Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

SXDFC wrote:
How many 739s will be coming from Lionair ? Will they be plugging in the extra exit or leaving it as is? Lastly does anyone know which registrations will be the ones Delta is taking?
?


You do realize that, at this point, this is a (credible) rumor...

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by WidebodyPTV
Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 859
Views: 223312

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Are these meant as replacements for active older aircraft or to accelerate backfilling some of the capacity from parking the M88s/M90s (similar in size to the 739) /777s (A350 comparable)? The B739 would be an opportunistic purchase. My bet is that some of the capacity will be used to backfill/rest...

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by WidebodyPTV
Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:52 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: California Defies Doom With No. 1 U.S. Economy
Replies: 58
Views: 2680

Re: California Defies Doom With No. 1 U.S. Economy

Of course there are homeless, but my wife and I wouldn't be about to be homeless for the same amount per month that we're paying in California. There's a huge difference between $2000 per month for a 1 bdr vs $800 a month in the states you listed. And as I've stated before, have you actually gone t...

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by WidebodyPTV
Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 760
Views: 96323

Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

I suspect that much of the slow DTW recovery is due to: 1- Delta dominates DTW point-of-sale. Even with cheaper fares, it is hard for AA/UA and to a lesser extent WN from attracting DTW based pax. This is more true in the summer, and less true in the winter when Florida/Beach/Sun routes come into p...

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by WidebodyPTV
Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 760
Views: 96323

Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

A couple random observations regarding the peak summer stretch: * DTW's recovery is seemingly slower than the rest of the nation. For example, WN peaks at 10 - 11 (peak day) departures -- that's down from 22-24 pre-COVID. * AA is scheduling a MAX on DTW/MIA. I believe this is the first time they've ...

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by WidebodyPTV
Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL Bastian presentation 3 June '21
Replies: 4
Views: 2320

Re: DL Bastian presentation 3 June '21

They intend to drop four families between 2019 2025 (from 13 to nine).

They’re already eliminated the M88, M90 and 777 - that’s three families.

They’ve announced that both the 717 and 763 would be gone by the end of 2025, but it appears one may linger on a little longer.

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by WidebodyPTV
Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: "Delta's 757s are their biggest liability"
Replies: 100
Views: 21948

Re: "Delta's 757s are their biggest liability"

He mentions in the video that analysts says that because of covid 19, the coimmercial aviation demand might not return to full until the 2030's ... I find that to be a way negative view on the situation. Commercial aviation will bounce back way more faster than that in my opinion. I fully agree wit...

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