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by Klaus
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:22 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part IX: Final rush to No Deal
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Re: Brexit Part IX: Final rush to No Deal

As the Johnson government pushes for No Deal as they've always done, brexiters' last hopes are dashed in series: https://www.politico.eu/article/failure-of-brexit-talks-as-good-as-inevitable-says-german-business-lobby/ In a statement, BDI Director General Joachim Lang called the outcome of the lates...

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by Klaus
Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:15 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Well of course he has read both documents it’s just those on here cannot reconcile that Johnson has achieved changes to both documents in the interests of the UK. It has been well established the fundamental difference between the original agreement and the revised and the implications of those Yes...

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by Klaus
Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:06 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

I have kept a eye on the postings on this subject for many a year now and what amazes me is why so many EU members are worried about what the UK does as throughout this topic the Mainland Europeans have told everybody that the UK does not matter Ideology-driven political, cultural and economical su...

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by Klaus
Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:40 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

But as history showed us it did, the EU was uncompromising to change the WA under PM May until PM Johnson came to power. The EU was gambled on the hostile UK parliament to do its biding for it. Nonsense. Johnson just caved in to the EU's long-standing preference after May had been unable to reach a...

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by Klaus
Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:59 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

The UK would need a deal with the USA first. But with the way the USA is now, I don't see any deal getting past Congress until at least 2023 (I expect that Congress will be about the same as it is now for 2021-2). No FTA USA No FTA EU No FTA China I heard that WTO is great! What WTO? WTO effectivel...

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by Klaus
Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:43 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

The UK diplomatic service is top nouche, except for dealing with FTA because they haven't done it in 40plus years, so they do not have any experience within the service and that takes time to rebuild that experience again. But even if they had that, they still wouldn't be able to fetch all those un...

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by Klaus
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:03 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

The UK diplomatic service is top nouche, except for dealing with FTA because they haven't done it in 40plus years, so they do not have any experience within the service and that takes time to rebuild that experience again. But even if they had that, they still wouldn't be able to fetch all those un...

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by Klaus
Mon May 25, 2020 2:28 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

UK Demands to have veto over EU future; "As an example, the UK wants to have input into any future application by a third party to join the EU, and for the EU to take into consideration UK interests in any such negotiations. This goes beyond audacious. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1...

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by Klaus
Fri May 22, 2020 3:41 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Michel Barnier's deep-chilled response to David Frost's complaint letter is nothing surprising, but it must be seen as a shot across the UK's bow: https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/brexit_files/info_site/uktf-20203060790-mb-reply-to-df-wd.pdf Effectively, it says: "UK, get off your del...

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by Klaus
Tue May 19, 2020 4:16 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Looks a lot like the ideology-hardened approach of the last months: "Let us cherrypick anything we like (including unbundled, separate partial agreements) or we'll shoot our own brains out with a hard crash-out Brexit!"

Michel, have the tarps at the ready!

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by Klaus
Tue May 19, 2020 11:02 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Not surpringly, today it has emerged that the economic strategy of Global Britain is to unilaterally slash a lot of import tariffs, officially to reduce the cost of living, although it would be very surpring to see the omission of tariffs to be entirely passed on to consumers... Profit margins in t...

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by Klaus
Sun May 17, 2020 11:29 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
Replies: 2489
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

link to EU statement Comes across as EU/ Barnier are upset because the UK is refusing to accept to align and accede to EU controlled neocolonialism We here in this thread plus all EU leaders have been explaining to you and to your government that access to the EU Single Market requires adherence to...

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by Klaus
Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:15 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

noviorbis77 wrote:
Who knows what will happen.

Actually looking at what's really happening instead of letting oneself get caught up in wishful thinking, preconceptions and prejudice generally helps a lot!

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by Klaus
Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:48 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

After CoVID19, many more may be crashing out Those predictions of yours could not have been more wrong all those previous times and they're just as wrong now. Doesn't sustained failure at this give you pause at some point...? It would be utterly pointless and only massively destructive for any EU m...

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by Klaus
Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:40 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

There will certainly be some delays but the negotiations can of course continue in time. And the UK will still be much worse off if after the Corona crisis it also chooses to crash out hard on top of everything else. That will become even more existential for the UK than it would have been already ...

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by Klaus
Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:51 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

There will certainly be some delays but the negotiations can of course continue in time. And the UK will still be much worse off if after the Corona crisis it also chooses to crash out hard on top of everything else. That will become even more existential for the UK than it would have been already w...

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by Klaus
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:50 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
Replies: 2489
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Just needs reminding that the UK will take back its exclusive economic zone, what industry do by selling its quotas/rights is up to them and will most likely have conditions attached to whom they can sell to, they only difference now is it comes under UK government control not Brussels. It's been u...

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by Klaus
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:09 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

The problem is what acceptable means. I am sure that the EU and the UK hae a very different view about that. It seems that the EU is prepared to make some consessions in the area of fisheries, but only if Boris signs on the dotted line (which he won't do given the other provisions). It was clearly ...

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by Klaus
Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:36 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Olddog wrote:
I am amazed that some people think that Trump makes any rational sense.

He's the answer to "Come on, how bad could it be if I cast this crazy vote this time? It doesn't matter anyway who's in charge!", quite the same way as the Brexit vote.

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by Klaus
Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:21 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Why has Ireland escaped the ban then? That’s an EU country and varadkar doesn’t suck up like boris allegedly does (he doesn’t). Varadkar had just visited Trump in person, so he still occupied space in Trump's scattered brain when he made his ad hoc announcement. Ireland has more cases than some Sch...

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by Klaus
Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:21 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Yes, that may be so. But Schengen countries were banned first By the moron in the White House, who quickly after stumbling into office had the Obama-era center for pandemic response destroyed which could now have saved many americans' lives was it not for Trump's frothing-at-the-mouth resentment of...

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by Klaus
Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:13 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

even the wording canceled / postponed is used; https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-news-brexit-trade-talks-cancelled-postponed-boris-johnson-a9398561.html For one particular session, yes, but not for the entire negotiations. The problem for the UK government is that BoJo need...

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by Klaus
Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:53 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

None of that removes the stain of the completely missing mandate for the hard and probably even crash-out Brexit the current UK government is pursuing now. It is for very good reason that it is generally accepted practice internationally to require at least a 66% if not 75% majority for fundamental ...

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by Klaus
Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:37 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

I wonder if it is time to open a separate thread on the shape of the sector by sector agreements. Even the word 'sector' may be too broad. No, because there won't be such sectoral deals with the UK. That kind of relationship exists with Switzerland and the EU is pushing hard to get rid of it becaus...

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by Klaus
Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:31 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

IIRC even WTO is going to require a fair amount of bureaucratic agility and logistics planning. WTO will not cover everything that needs arranging, it is not fast enough for some essential supplies. Also WTO is not fully staffed at its top level. It is useful, but not a full solution. If the UK has...

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by Klaus
Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:07 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Difference here is the US is not demanding we sign up to follow US law as constituted by Congress, The USA doesn't even have a Single Market – their state-differentiated markets are much more fragmented than the EU's Single Market, which is why federally agreed access to the US market is much less ...

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by Klaus
Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:04 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

At this point sector by sector trade deals may be a necessity. They will not be 'cherry picking'. Just the best deal that the UK//EU can negotiate, and they likely will be short term. No. The EU will not agree to that, because that is exactly the cherrypicking to the UK's unilateral advantage BoJo ...

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by Klaus
Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:00 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

The current Government is on record to be asking for CETA type agreement the template is there to do it in a shorter period Johnson is not asking for a better deal than Canada in trade. Of course he is, because the UK right on the EU's doorstep and thus without builtin transportation cost impedimen...

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by Klaus
Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:49 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

I do wonder when the anti Brexit whining and sulking will stop? A few months, a few years, decades? Anyone want to answer? Criticism will probably cease: 1. when Brexit stops being an utter and total trainwreck 2. when Brexit proponents stop pushing absurd, ridiculous nonsense about it 3. when the ...

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by Klaus
Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:48 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Spin it what ever way you want, nothing changes from the fact we are still bound by EU legislation by hook or by crook Wrong. The UK has bound itself to the EU's rules for the transition period voluntarily! "Vassalage" is defined by being oppressed , by being bound without having a say ab...

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by Klaus
Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:24 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Until I know what the final future relationship looks like I will let you know, but so far I’m a happy little vegimite, I’ve got what I wanted and that’s out of the EU You'd have had the same effect if you had just left for Australia while leaving the decision to those UK citizens who'd actually ha...

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by Klaus
Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:22 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

We can’t do anything different now as we are still in vassalage, That is another toxic lie. The UK as asked the EU to please let it enjoy the benefits of EU membership for yet a little longer (except having an actual vote, which is impossible without actual membership). The UK can choose to end tha...

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by Klaus
Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:04 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Well if the US Supreme court becomes the highest court in the land you may be able to deal more harshly with all the knife crime, more options to deal with white collar crime..... ...and its a state not a colony, probably the 54th or some such. There is absolutely zero chance of statehood with voti...

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by Klaus
Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:48 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Interesting background interview with Michel Barnier, primarily giving perspective on his approach more than about negotiation details: https://www.spiegel.de/international/eu-chief-negotiator-michel-barnier-i-m-not-going-to-allow-myself-to-be-fooled-a-27e84642-2262-43b7-88cc-8fc212a7d6a7 (Click the...

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by Klaus
Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:08 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

I fail to see why security agreements need to be a part of a trade agreement. Trade is trade defence& security is another just as any climate accord is different. 3/4 ofvthe crap dosnt need to be in it. The European Union is about a lot more than just about trade and since the UK is losing all ...

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by Klaus
Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:31 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

noviorbis77 wrote:
What since 1860 odd?

Yes, and increasingly so with the growing relevance of football worldwide since then.

When it was mostly just a domestic regional thing it was not an issue, but it's global now, and there countries are represented by national teams, all except for the UK.

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by Klaus
Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:35 am
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Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

I'm really lost with all this preoccupation on passports Really? It was a major Brexit propaganda point and it kept popping up when people were asked about their reasons for voting Leave and for the Tories, so it deserves remembering. It is peculiar how easily the Leave leadership has divorced itse...

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by Klaus
Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:38 pm
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Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Is football teams now how nations identify themselves? Yeah, national football teams are indeed one of the more visible embodiments of national identification, and the UK with its split teams always looked like an outsider there! It has been the case since long before you and I were born. I am sorr...

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by Klaus
Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:36 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

noviorbis77 wrote:
Is football teams now how nations identify themselves?

Yeah, national football teams are indeed one of the more visible embodiments of national identification, and the UK with its split teams always looked like an outsider there!

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by Klaus
Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:34 pm
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Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Blue passports? 50p coin? You mean those blue passports which the UK will now abandon the current british manufacturer over and is instead now ordering from a franco-dutch company who are manufacturing them in Poland and which will then have to be imported (with import duty paid!) to the UK? Those ...

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by Klaus
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:48 pm
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Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Blue passports? 50p coin? You mean those blue passports which the UK will now abandon the current british manufacturer over and is instead now ordering from a franco-dutch company who are manufacturing them in Poland and which will then have to be imported (with import duty paid!) to the UK? Those ...

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by Klaus
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:28 pm
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Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Uk abandon eu arrest warrant https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/27/uk-to-withdraw-from-european-arrest-warrant Only consistent when you're turning the UK into a safe haven for tax evaders and other wealthy scoundrels to further incentivize Tory donations. And this: https://www.spiegel.de/...

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by Klaus
Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:05 pm
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Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

tommy1808 wrote:
You think those "democrats" in London will allow them a vote to leave?

You misunderstand: It's only "democracy" when a majority in England tells everybody else to shut up and do as they're told! :crazy:

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by Klaus
Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:02 am
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Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Why this guy, repeating the same message proved wrong for the last 4 years at least, can still be interviewed like a respectable source ??? The nickname in the German car industry for us is treasure island . . . we are a highly profitable, very important market. That's not even funny anymore. https...

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by Klaus
Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:39 pm
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Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Newsflash: UK government insisting on unfairly tilting the playing field towards the UK, shocked to find out the EU isn't actually keen on letting that happen: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/25/downing-street-rejects-eu-opening-trade-offer “We agree the UK’s trade with the EU is signi...

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by Klaus
Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:39 pm
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Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Will be interesting to see the British reaction to this shocker clause, as it puts the UK's government before a binary choice almost immediately and without any warning There have been plenty of warnings all along the whole Brexit process: The EU has never left any doubt about its priorities; The U...

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by Klaus
Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:16 am
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Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

CAP + rural development is close to half of the EU budget. Nope. The entire budget sector which among other things contains the CAP is only a bit above a third, 39% in the current budget period. https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/eu-budget/spending/topic/eu-funding-programmes-2014-2020_en You could...

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by Klaus
Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:37 am
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

You all realize that 350 million per week divided per 450 million people is less then 1 euro per person and week? Per year we talks about 50 euro per person. The difference in butget discussioon is less then 0.1% of national gdp per year. Still way too much. That is quite obviously just a pretense ...

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by Klaus
Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:37 am
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

That whole raft of additional bureaucracy that needs to rebuilt in the UK because it can't use the common european institutions any more will be expensive, too, both erecting it and then feeding it for the duration, Is that really such a bad thing? All those jobs which were part of the function of ...

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by Klaus
Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:56 am
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Topic: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence
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Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

You all realize that 350 million per week divided per 450 million people is less then 1 euro per person and week? Per year we talks about 50 euro per person. The difference in butget discussioon is less then 0.1% of national gdp per year. Still way too much. That is quite obviously just a pretense ...

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