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by Stitch
Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 156
Views: 47633

Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Does the weight issue initially observed as the first off the line also get solved in the conversion? Depending on how hard they strip the frame in preparation for conversion, it would be interesting to see if they ever find the many tons of ballast Boeing is said to have lost track of where they p...

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by Stitch
Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 156
Views: 47633

Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thank you 747Classic. I thought perhaps Boeing may have arranged a buy back from the Saudia entity and then sold.on to the undisclosed buyer. Boeing could facilitate such a transaction, but they would not record a sale in such a scenario as they do not own the plane (unless they bought it and sold ...

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by Stitch
Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:46 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments - 2021
Replies: 374
Views: 46959

Re: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments - 2021

It appears they are zeroing in on the cause of the explosion of SN10; the rocket suffered a hard landing, with thrust being low despite the engine being commanded high, per a tweet from Elon... Not all of the landing struts locking on deployment (you can clearly see about half of them just swaying ...

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by Stitch
Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 150
Views: 47550

Re: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

maverick4002 wrote:
What does B1 mean?


First Boeing Flight - so first flight of the airframe and the flight crew are all-Boeing.

Later on will come the C Flights - Customer Acceptance - where the PIC (Pilot in Command) is from the airline and a Boeing pilot is supporting.

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by Stitch
Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:53 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments - 2021
Replies: 374
Views: 46959

Re: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments - 2021

Appeared there was still an issue getting a second engine restarted or a issue that shut down the additional engine causing a hard landing which apparently caused damage to the structure. I think the engine shut down was intentional. You can see the two shut-down engines gimble away immediately, to...

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by Stitch
Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:36 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments - 2021
Replies: 374
Views: 46959

Re: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments - 2021

Yup. Still a success in my book.

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by Stitch
Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Ok, so now the A.Net mantra that Boeing PR on the NMA / MOM / 797 etc is no longer about limiting the sale prospects of the A321-XXXX, did anyone every show where clients who were going to buy an A321-XX changed their mind due to Boeing PR? You could possibly argue, though not sure how effectively,...

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by Stitch
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

The last 727 was produced in 1984. Yes it was a trickle at the end but still it'd be interesting to see what would have happened if Boeing never got enough interest to launch 757 and did a true 722 replacement once 727 was finished. Boeing did try to address the 727-200ADV market a second time in t...

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by Stitch
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

The 757 should have been a direct replacement for the 727-200 not a substitute for a 727-300. Even if Boeing eventually did develop a reengined 737, there would have been no need to stretch the 737 beyond the size of the 737-400 or 800. The 757 was developed to cover the existing 727-200ADV and pro...

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by Stitch
Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Boeing transformed from a great engineering company into a great shorter-term beancounting company. Pretty much. It started with Condit and Stonecipher and really accelerated under McNerney, who learned Welch's bad habits all too well while at GE. If only they'd promoted Alan Mulally. Oh well, Boei...

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by Stitch
Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Not sure that was a good long term tradeoff. I want to note that I agree with you that MAX was not Boeing's best option, but I do believe it was their only real option - especially in 2011 when fuel prices had more than doubled from two years prior and stayed high for years, pushing airlines to eit...

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by Stitch
Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I said that they abandoned the "757 market". Not necessarily that it should have been the 757 specifically. But they had a MOM and they no longer have a MOM. Meanwhile the A321 has grown into the lower end of the MOM, where Boeing has nothing. I seem to remember that you made posts in the...

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by Stitch
Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Would it have been worse compared to the fact that 350 people are dead and Boeing has lost 20 billion dollars. Hindsight is always 20-20. Might as well ask why in 1979 Boeing and 737-200 operators did not have the prescience to know that Airbus' SA studies of the same period would actually go into ...

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by Stitch
Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

So Boeing's dilemma is that: 1 - They let the 757 market go, claiming it wasn't big enough, and the A321 grew into it and is selling like hotcakes The A321 sells on it's own merits. Airlines that never bought a 757 have in sum bought thousands of A321s. The 757 is irrelevant to this discussion - ev...

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by Stitch
Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Based upon Boeing's recent history, I can't imagine their beancounting management spending more money to make something "as good as it can be". If we're lucky, perhaps the MAX fiasco has finally changed their focus a bit. In the end, it will be the airlines who determine how much is spent...

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by Stitch
Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

This is true no doubt. With new wing and engine it will be more than a stretch but much less than a clean sheet. So Airbus can wait for Boeing to come up with something and then react, be cheaper in development and sales prices and be on the market earlier with a program that still has some A321neo...

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by Stitch
Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

So if you actually only stretch (the A321 to make the A322) and not change anything else (based on the XLR) all will be ok, but as soon as you start to include more and more modifications it becomes a lengthy process. And with all the changes folks are tossing around - new wing, new engines, higher...

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by Stitch
Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 619
Views: 126242

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Thing that always surprises me is that they are still producing production frames. Each of these will need to be retrofitted with any changes that come out of testing. This sounds more and more expensive at a time when Boeing need to minimize cost. It seems strange to me as well because they have n...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 619
Views: 126242

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

It seems typical for a new design to take around 18 months between first flight and entry into service. We now have a derivative targeted for 42-48 months. Why so long? It could just be that Boeing is taking their time since none of their customers are ready to take delivery. If you know it will be...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 619
Views: 126242

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

There are very significant changes to the 777X compared even to the -300ER, most significantly a completely new wing that is now CFRP instead of aluminum. I don't think we've ever had a derivative aircraft that has changed the fundamental construction material on a such a major structure prior to t...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 619
Views: 126242

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Well for "baseline" are we comparing this to the original 777-200 as first certified in1995? I could see close to 90% differences compared to that model. Compared to a 777-300ER, however? I do not believe the differences are that large.

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Why has Boeing missed the entire market segment that the A321neo has grown into? They did not miss the market, they just did not have a compelling alternative with the 737-900ER / 737-9. The 737-10 is a compelling alternative to a point (around 2500nm or so) and was seeing good sales up until the g...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 133
Views: 20831

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

DoT Inspector General's report on FAA's certification of MAX is out. In its response to the report, the FAA said it is forming a team including representatives of foreign civil aviation authorities to evaluate how new versions of existing jets are certified and to ensure “a consistent worldwide app...

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by Stitch
Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Both Airbus and Boeing discount the A320neo and MAX families deeply - I've seen Research Notes from major banks that finance these deals that say both routinely offer 50% off list and for large orders / most-preferred customers the discounts can reach 60-65% off list. But hey, when you're pumping ou...

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by Stitch
Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

In retrospect it probably would have been better to go ahead with a full 737 replacement when they decided to respond to the A320NEO with the MAX. They would have eaten it in the short term, but would have set themselves up for the next 30 years. Short term versus long term strategy failed them. An...

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by Stitch
Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

If I understand correctly, Boeing would stop producing Boeing 737MAX by 2030 so that they have developed a successor to Boeing 737-MAX. That might have been the plan back in 2011 when they launched the MAX, but it is surely not the plan now for a variety of reasons including the grounding, COVID, a...

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by Stitch
Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

The lighter weights of the MAX hasn't really helped it when you look at sales though. Even with flights being less than 1000nm which should favour the lighter design, the 737 has been losing market share to the A320. I would say it is fair to draw the inference that the A320 is better than the 737....

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by Stitch
Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16926

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

Opus99 wrote:
is there an issue with that move?


Arguably it should be a positive move by placing management closer to the FALs where they can be directly engaged with the process of building planes rather than isolated in a "remote" site with minimal physical interaction with production.

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by Stitch
Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:33 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: USAF looking for an E-4B replacement
Replies: 246
Views: 31449

Re: USAF looking for an E-4B replacement

Isn’t the rejected Lufthansa frame oveweight or something? I thought that’s why they rejected it. Supposedly it is significantly overweight due to Boeing losing track of where they put a few tons of ballast. Also, as the first 747-8 Intercontinental produced, it was used extensively for testing of ...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Yes, but so far most customers were happy with one ACT, some even with no ACT at all. So I still question if the range of the XLR is key to the success of the A321, I think it is not. Oh I agree that raw range will not be the reason the XLR sells - it is just a "nice to have". It is the s...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:08 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: USAF looking for an E-4B replacement
Replies: 246
Views: 31449

Re: USAF looking for an E-4B replacement

Arguably it does make sense to buy L/N1435 and L/N1446 since, as noted, the VC-25B does provide a template for conversion. And I think in the current world environment we only really need two of them - one at Offutt for SAC Battle Staff and one at Andrews for the Secretary of Defense (or the Preside...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Noshow wrote:
2-3-2 in basic eco, 2-2-2 in premium economy and 1-1-1 in business. How about that?


For a small dual-aisle, that makes the most sense to me.

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I think concentrating on the XLR misses the point. If barely makes up for 15% of the orders, if you discount converted normal NEOS it is even less. Is that a sign that the market for the XLR is that big? Yes it is a small percentage of the A321neo order book, but it will likely become the standard ...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I get that.. So you have a new TATL route with 220pax going 4200nmi and you put an A321XLR on it... (random example that the A321XLR is capable of where other narrobodies aren't). This route proves widely popular and you decide to upgrade to a widebody that has a capacity of 250-270 to go that 4200...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Why does the NMA/NSA need to approach such long distances? With all that capability it will be rather comprimised for uhhhhh, middle of the market missions, no? Do we really need to fly this far with just 250 people? Is this really the Market? Even a A321XLR is not going to fly any more than 200pax...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Does 2-2-2 ever make any sense if you are going twin aisle? 2-3-2 at least gets you one more seat per row so the same capacity can be 16% shorter. I would assume the extra weight and wetted area from the one additional seat would easily be offset by the reduced length. I guess the only way I could ...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Sales Campaign and Prospects - 2021
Replies: 86
Views: 13412

Re: Boeing 777X Sales Campaign and Prospects - 2021

Last time I checked, the ASC606 adjustment for the B777 family was actually -135 (not -118). This figure relates to the 777 family Orderbook that includes current generation 77W, 77F and 77L and also next generation 77X. Where did you get the -118 figure? Are we sure that not a larger part is actua...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Sales Campaign and Prospects - 2021
Replies: 86
Views: 13412

Re: Boeing 777X Sales Campaign and Prospects 2021

I understand why the 777X has to be larger in order to have competitive efficiency, but being larger is not a big advantage when the competitors are only marginally less efficient per unit of area, but small enough to be more flexible for larger carriers and viable for smaller carriers. Those small...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Sales Campaign and Prospects - 2021
Replies: 86
Views: 13412

Re: Boeing 777X Sales Campaign and Prospects 2021

Would BA really go for a 2-4-2 J layout? It would seem like a very backwards step given the 1-2-1 is being introduced on the A35K, 78X and even the 77E. I wasn't aware of British Airways updating their Business Class product to 1+2+1 so you can disregard that. So mainly the advantage of the 777X ov...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Well, it can become really elegant if they introduce an single aisle NMA, which later can be downscaled to an NSA with a different wingbox, wing and tail. This way they have 1 cockpit, tube and production method for the 150-300 seat segment. Yes - so why didn't Boeing do that? It should have been p...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Sales Campaign and Prospects - 2021
Replies: 86
Views: 13412

Re: Boeing 777X Sales Campaign and Prospects 2021

And there is of course the prospects of a freighter coming up which many believe is inevitable for Boeing to develop I don't think we will see a 777X freighter anytime soon. Boeing can continue to sell the 777F under ICAO 2028 rules and they can intermuix them easily enough in the FAL with 777-9s. ...

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by Stitch
Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

So Boeing wants a versatile aircraft or a specialized aircraft? In my opinion, the A321 is versatile. You can use it on BOS-JFK and on BOS-LHR as it is on both routes very efficient. Now what does Boeing want? A321 capacity and more range (so a heavier aircraft) and give up the short routes? Or doe...

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by Stitch
Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I have yet to understand, why people believe that for the first time in modern aviation history, an aircraft design will be actively hampered by choosing comfort over highest possible efficiency by its designer. Of course ignoring the 350XWB. Or the 380. Airbus designs around comfort, but they do a...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Structural empty weight on the fuselage might not be everything, though. The ATMR/DC-XX would have been wider than the 757 and therefore had a weight and drag penalty for the fuselage, however McD felt using better engines and having a better wing counteracted that and they felt that the trip cost d...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:24 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: How come even after all the 777Fs coming off the line, MD-11Fs are still going strong?
Replies: 70
Views: 14881

Re: How come even after all the 777Fs coming off the line, MD-11Fs are still going strong?

DL757NYC wrote:
Is there a difference in capacity between an MD-11 that was built as a freighter and a pax conversion?


The usable deck area and internal volume should be the same so I would think no. There could be a payload difference if the MZFW weights are different.

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

If Boeing builds a twin aisle NMA it for sure will kill the 788 and perhaps (depending on the airline and their network) could impact sales of the 789. I think Boeing is okay with that. The 787-9 and 787-10 are technically their own sub-families and Boeing has optimized their production system for ...

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by Stitch
Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

GE has already stated it would not take part in a 3 engine optioned program. If they stick to their guns then that means a potential 5X has at most 2 engine manufacturers. Does Boeing go sole source ala the 737? Only time will tell. Another example of spoiled brat behavior. GE can opt out for all I...

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by Stitch
Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I may have the wrong impression, but I understood him to say that the first (and entirely new) task would be to define the new cockpit in the light of Human Factors. And if the FAA/EASA haven't quite got it clear yet, that might take some time. Well it stands to reason NMA would have a cockpit base...

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by Stitch
Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

You are making the mistake and believing the competition will be the A321XLR when in reality it will be A321NWO and A322NWO (New Wing Option). Then the need even more so is to make NMA-6X and NMA-7X the best they can be. And that won't happen if they are compromised stretches of NMA-5X. So launch N...

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by Stitch
Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2225
Views: 239540

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I believe it would be a mistake to make the 5X the baseline because then you just hurt the 6X and 7X which are going to be more popular, anyway. I think the 5X as a shrink makes sense because I could very much see it as a quick and dirty response to the A321XLR for the longest missions. It will be h...

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