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by Stitch
Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

The defining version for the structural design would still be the the version with the highest MTOW. You simply can not have a short range optimized short version and a long range optimized long version, with a meaningful amount of common structural parts. Yes, but it is not like Boeing can make a ...

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by Stitch
Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124387

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

I'm assuming the 777X's flight-control system architecture is based on that used in the 777 and that system seems to be working acceptably safely based on the last two decades of in-service data.

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by Stitch
Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Note this telling of history ("the launch customer had made the 757 too big") is in several references I've read over the years, and is mirrored by the Wikipedia 757 page. Boeing initially intended the 757 to be a 727 replacement, but no one would commit to it till they made it a step big...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Again, I think Boeing would be making a potentially fatal mistake to move forward with NMA instead of the MAX replacement/NSA. If they do NMA they won't be in a position to do a NSA until the mid 2030's, at which point they will be trying to play catch-up AGAIN with Airbus. Boeing does not have the...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Why did Boeing on several occasions take so long to evaluate and then not building what were advanced concepts like the Y-1 or NSA and then the NMA? The original concepts and schedules look pretty smart to me but Boeing hesitated and came late while putting itself under pressure versus the competit...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Wouldn’t this limit the market of the 787(and Airbus wide bodies) to the +5500nm niche? In general, yes, but the 787 and A350 do have greater flexibility so while I expect they will move on to longer stage lengths, airlines can still sub them in on shorter ones from time to time (like peak seasons)...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

You think Airbus will sit with hands in their pockets and just let Boeing steal their lunch. Any new Boeing plane that threatens the market of the A321XLR will push Airbus into re-winging the A320 and A321 and stretch the latter and this new A320NWO (New Wing Option) will then put the 738 MAX in a ...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Couple of points from my perspective... An A321XLR still benefits from the "just another A321" thing, being part of family 10's of thousands strong. 5X doesn't fix that - at least not to the same extent. Agreed. Which is why I said Boeing needs two frames to compete: 737-10 for shorter ra...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

And how should this work? The shrink would have the lowest capacity and range, but the highest efficiency on short routes, the stretch would have the highest capacity and longer range. This does not work. The 5X would have the lowest capacity and depending on Operating Weights, a range anywhere fro...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16915

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

I expect EK would be looking at a mix of 787-9 and 787-10 frames. As for the A350-1000, probably depends on how their long-haul traffic patterns evolve. If they fully recover (even if only on certain routes), the 777-9 would likely remain the preferred choice as originally planned. If that recovery ...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

How many will the 5X sell. On it's own, probably not a significant amount, which is why it would need the 6X and 7X to underpin the family and make the overall numbers work. Especially with a freighter model of the 7X down the road to replace the 767-300F (as that model will likely end production i...

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by Stitch
Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

A three-model family strikes me as a solid plan. The 5X would cover the over-3000nm market as the 737-10 does the sub-3000nm market. Yes, Boeing would need two planes to do what Airbus does with one (the A321XLR), but the 737-10 would be better on shorter missions whereas the 5X would be better on l...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Ah then the standard 321neo is effectively useless no? To be blunt - yes it is. Why would I buy the standard if I can get the XLR? Also to be blunt, you would not. That is why the A321XLR is seeing such strong sales. There is no intention to send 450+ of them across the Atlantic every day. The sign...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

The issue is that doing so opens up another proverbial can of worms for Boeing. If their next aircraft is a true 737 replacement, then it will eat into MAX sales, especially those at the end of the MAX order backlog, further reducing Boeing's marginal revenue for the type. This is only a huge conce...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

And the 50-75% additional seats would be either empty or heavily discounted. Well it's not like Boeing doesn't do market analysis in conjunction with their customers and it's not like those customers don't model their historic traffic patterns. So if in fact 50-75% of those additional seats would f...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

But can i just ask, does this really compete with the XLR thats a single aisle? I imagine it would be lighter no? But I imagine the attraction is the higher seat capacity? Essentially the higher number of seats drops the operating costs-per-seat lower. Also, the A321XLR's payload drops as stage len...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16915

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

How can a company such Boeing, survive such massive and ongoing losses of this scale? Mainly because a significant portion of these losses are being reported all at one time now due to Program Accounting rules even though they actually occurred over a much longer period of time (many years). So Boe...

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by Stitch
Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

186 inches would be 13 inches wider than the ATMR and 13 inches narrower than the 767 so that would support 2+3+2 with a seat width between 17 and 18 inches (depending on aisle width).

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by Stitch
Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

So fast forward a number of years, and Boeing did nothing in this "niche" and the A321 grew into the same niche, and is selling like hotcakes, and it seems that that same niche is actually pretty darn big. And Boeing ceded it to Airbus. So was the original "757 market is a niche"...

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by Stitch
Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:32 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments - 2021
Replies: 370
Views: 45641

Re: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments - 2021

Looked good right to the end...when it went wrong even more impressively.

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by Stitch
Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16915

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

This really hurts me to say, but unfortunately, there is an increasing likelihood we may not even see the 777-8. I think we'll see it, but only as a freighter. Boeing seemed to be a few years too late on the 777X, just like they were too late the 747-8i. I don't think they were late - the 777-300ER...

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by Stitch
Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16915

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

Yeah, but can they afford to lose money on the 777X when they are looking to write off profits off the 787 due to the lower production rate and still catching up with the 737MAX? Yes. They still have access to significant capital on the open markets, plus they have other programs that are generatin...

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by Stitch
Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16915

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

It will still be a long time before it's back to 2019 levels, and airlines will be hit hard, even those that survive. Will enough airlines be able to afford a large aircraft? And will this all happen before the 777X goes too far into the red? The longer it goes on, the worse it gets. Boeing will ju...

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by Stitch
Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16915

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

COVID won't be forever. Traffic will eventually return and so will the market for 300-plus seat aircraft.

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by Stitch
Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16915

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

scbriml wrote:
Almost unnoticed among the headlines, Boeing has quietly moved 118 777Xs under ASC 606, reducing the realistic 777X backlog to 191 firm orders.


Not by some of us. ;)

As I noted, this likely explains the large write-down for the 777X program as this puts the program in a Forward Loss position.

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by Stitch
Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

If we're going widebody, Boeing has two choices:

    Make a modern 767
    Make a modern A300/A310

Of the two, a modern A300/A310 likely is the better option since it can seat 2+4+2 and take 2xLD3. Have the shrink at 45m and the stretch at 55m. Make the wings 52m so they fit in ICAO Code D.

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by Stitch
Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Of note is the mention of the very dated crew alert system being upgraded - ECAS?? I think if EICAS could have been implemented without significant difficulty, it might have been. The article says "The work to recertify the Max, it says, has highlighted “several weaknesses” in the crew alertin...

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by Stitch
Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

The FlightGlobal article notes that EASA would have preferred a physical third AoA sensor, but has accepted that the angle-of-attack ‘integrity enhancement’ to be developed and certified by Boeing fully meets their wishes which is why they signed off on it. This design included a combination of enha...

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by Stitch
Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124387

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Yeah I believe the moderator request in the "Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023" thread was to discuss the 777X delays in this thread, not the financial impact and all the other unrelated commentary that has been going on. So we can discus...

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by Stitch
Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

One of the things I like about this site is I am surrounded by people who know a lot more than I do. So, understanding that I come from a place of ignorance, why couldn't either A or B design an airframe now that could be offered with a new engine later? Airframes and engines now are designed effec...

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by Stitch
Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Wouldn't 10" wider than an A320 allow 2-2-2 with 17" seats? I don't know how much heavier it would be but then there is flexibility of 2-2-2 with 17" seats or 3-3 with 18" seats and an extra wide aisle. The McD ATMR, which was planned to compete with the 757-200, would have had ...

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by Stitch
Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

If Boeing designs a plane with 2-2-2 seating, I can almost guarantee that one airline will add an extra seat, and everyone will soon follow. Imagine being in a 2-3-2 fuselage that is narrower than a 767? Well Boeing can fight that by designing the cabin width so that it would be impossible - there ...

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by Stitch
Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124387

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

The 777x was always a bad idea. It was too big. It wasn't big enough, frankly. It needs every seat it can pack in to offset it's heavier structure. It should have been an 80m frame from the get-go and Boeing seems to be realizing this now that they are starting to consider an 80m 777-10X. It was on...

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by Stitch
Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020
Replies: 128
Views: 35071

Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

randomdude83 wrote:
Surprised the 767 is not on the list here


Smaller frames work better with low traffic and as the 767 fits in smaller gates than the 777 that might help flexibility at more airports. ANA also took a number of late-build 767s while waiting for their 787s.

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by Stitch
Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2157
Views: 230075

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

So it will be another 737 derivative because of WN It will obviously be a clean sheet. As they’ve said before Indeed. I can't see how FAA will sign off on any more derivatives beyond the MAX family, and MAX10 seems to have been kicked into the long grass. Calhoun has hinted FAA will require an all ...

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by Stitch
Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124387

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Strato2 wrote:
Where did the thread on 6.5 billion charge for the 777X go? That is significant news that surely deserves it's own thread compared to let's say for example when QR CEO rants about the A380.


It was merged into this thread.

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by Stitch
Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124387

Re: Boeing delays first 777-9 delivery to 2023, takes $6.5bn charge

"firmware and hardware changes to the actuator control electronics" would tend to indicate a redesign of the flight control system. This might be referring to the wing-folding mechanism. Boeing has noted that the test pilots found the original cockpit indicators and switches a bit unintui...

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by Stitch
Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124387

Re: Boeing delays first 777-9 delivery to 2023, takes $6.5bn charge

I was under the impression that R&D costs were booked in the quarter they were expended. This $6.5 billion charge looks to me more like a write-off related to the deferred production costs under Program Accounting. The ASC 606 for the 777 program is almost one-third of current orders so I believ...

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by Stitch
Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124387

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Seems almost so, the cost is now also approaching clean sheet levels. Together with the normal development cost, the 1bn wing factory and the 6.5bn charge Boeing must have already invested over 10bn for a derivative. If they were truly clean-sheeting (Y3), they'd probably be spending more. I imagin...

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by Stitch
Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas Air Purchases Four Boeing 747-8 Freighters
Replies: 147
Views: 22575

Re: Atlas Air Purchases Four Boeing 747-8 Freighters

Voyager Aviation Holdings evidently took delivery from Boeing of two AirBridgeCargo 747-8Fs and then entered into an operating lease for them with AirBridgeCargo. Those two frames have over the past few weeks been converted from operating to financing leases so AirBridgeCargo now owns them so Volga-...

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by Stitch
Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 704
Views: 169355

Re: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Appreciate the update. I suppose the Max 10 won't fly until that new 3rd AOA sensor system the regulators called for is installed. I don't see why they would do that as there are likely plenty of items on the test and certification checklists that can be covered without the third AoA sensor. Also, ...

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by Stitch
Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 249
Views: 72699

Re: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Well the 777VIP was sold with both 777-200LR and 777-300ER as the underlying frame so Boeing formally lists them as such in their Orders and Deliveries reports.

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by Stitch
Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021
Replies: 57
Views: 16224

Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2021

I’m struggling to grasp with the concept that 77W’s are being scrapped whilst Boeing is still delivering factory fresh ones! It's still a solid plane, even with the 787-10 and A350-1000 available now and the 777-9 on the near horizon so while the production run is finishing up, there is still a bit...

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by Stitch
Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124387

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Any updates on the -8? Nothing official, but my gut feeling is Boeing has stopped any serious development of the plane since it's main customers all have not indicated any interest in taking delivery anytime soon. In my opinion, Boeing is likely doing basic R&D work on a freighter version of th...

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by Stitch
Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124387

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Tn55337 wrote:
Is Boeing still waiting for TIA for the 777-9?


Last mention was 20 December 2020 from Guy Norris mentioning that Boeing expected it "soon".

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by Stitch
Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:19 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: USAF VC-25B News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 239
Views: 29955

Re: USAF VC-25B News and Discussion Thread

ssteve wrote:
Fait Accompli, meet Congress. They'll mothball the expensive furniture to buy more austere furniture in the name of saving money... especially if it's 2023.


Congress are the ones who already approved the furniture via approving the Defense Appropriations Acts that paid for them.

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by Stitch
Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:16 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: USAF VC-25B News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 239
Views: 29955

Re: USAF VC-25B News and Discussion Thread

To be frank, I wouldn't be shocked to see the whole program shelves as a symbol of the "waste and corruption of the previous administration" and, instead, a "blue ribbon panel" appointed to oversee the selection of a "more economically and environmentally" friendly sol...

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by Stitch
Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 249
Views: 72699

Re: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Surprised the PK frames not yet the cancelled at end of last year. Until PK is ready to take something else, it's in their interest to keep the order on-hand even if they have no intent of ever taking delivery. Philippine Airlines had some 747-400s on order for the better part of a decade before th...

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by Stitch
Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas Air Purchases Four Boeing 747-8 Freighters
Replies: 147
Views: 22575

Re: Atlas Air Purchases Four Boeing 747-8 Freighters

JayinKitsap wrote:
This article in CNET indicated that Atlas bought the planes for $149M each. Does that seem realistic?


Yes, as 747-8F values range $92.0 - 173.0M.

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by Stitch
Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas Air Purchases Four Boeing 747-8 Freighters
Replies: 147
Views: 22575

Re: Atlas Air Purchases Four Boeing 747-8 Freighters

xjetflyer2001 wrote:
I thought Volga wanted those last 3 747-8 they ordered??


Well they either should not have formally cancelled them or they should have worked harder than Atlas to secure financing to re-purchase them.

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