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by Stitch
Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:56 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y
Replies: 220
Views: 17836

Re: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y

If KC-Y is designed around the KC-10A, then the A330MRTT is going to be the only option and Boeing should not bother bidding. Would a 767-400 based design not fit the KC-10A? Heck, the 767-300F would be a great replacement (other than maximum payload). But it would have to be certified for military...

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by Stitch
Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas Air Purchases Four Boeing 747-8 Freighters
Replies: 147
Views: 22576

Re: Atlas Air Purchases Four Boeing 747-8 Freighters

Per post #25 at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1455931: L/N 1571, 747-8F, Atlas Air (UPS #28 NTU, cancelled after UPS purchase of L/N 1558, Volga Dnepr NTU) L/N 1572, 747-8F, Atlas Air (Volga Dnepr NTU) L/N 1573, 747-8F, Atlas Air (Volga Dnepr NTU) L/N 1574, 747-8F, Atlas Ai...

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by Stitch
Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:41 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y
Replies: 220
Views: 17836

Re: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y

Even if the USAF sets a price they are willing to pay and want to set it up as a fixed price contract: there´s always the other party which needs to accept such an order... Well if Boeing isn't willing to take the price, if LM-Airbus is, then good on them. We don´t know if the current fixed price c...

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by Stitch
Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:26 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y
Replies: 220
Views: 17836

Re: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y

A competition will at least ensure that pricing stays in check. If it is clear from the onset that this is a single-source contract Boeing will try to recoupd all its losses made with the KC-46 so far with follow-on orders. The USAF could single-source the purchase to Boeing for more KC-46A and jus...

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by Stitch
Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:21 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y
Replies: 220
Views: 17836

Re: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y

I don't know why they just couldn't have gone with the plane-Jane KC-767 that works so well for Japan and Italy. But no, they had to make it complicated with the 767-"2C" mods. Would have been better off with the A-330 or 777F. I'd be interested to know just how close the KC-30B/KC-45 was...

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by Stitch
Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:15 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y
Replies: 220
Views: 17836

Re: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y

The question is really just whether Boeing wants to keep a bespoke 767 line running for the USAF through the mid 2030’s, at ‘up to’ 15 frames a year. I expect they do. The new 767 FAL is significantly smaller than the old one and it's position at the back of the building doesn't make the space very...

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by Stitch
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:35 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y
Replies: 220
Views: 17836

Re: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y

Would a KC 787 be an option, or too capable? I would say "not an option" because it would be even more expensive to integrate into the force and then subsequently support compared to the A330MRTT (vis-a-vis another KC-46A bloc purchase) and I would expect it to be fairly more expensive to...

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by Stitch
Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:20 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y
Replies: 220
Views: 17836

Re: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y

The lowest price for meeting minimal requirements came after Airbus won. Yes, because the DoD had to make it clear to the USAF they would not be allowed to do their usual "gold-plating" of the RFP to get things not in the RFP and then worry about paying for it later (usually by giving the...

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by Stitch
Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:35 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y
Replies: 220
Views: 17836

Re: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y

But all that is not really that important I presume. For the USAF, it really isn't. I don't think anyone with a critical-thinking approach would argue the A330MRTT is not a more capable airframe than the KC-46A. And considering almost every RFP other than the USAF had criteria that played to the A3...

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by Stitch
Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2021
Replies: 63
Views: 19867

Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2021

TropicalSky wrote:
something's wrong with the main gears in this pic? was it photoshopped?


Looks fine to me - the trucks tilt forward on the 767 family.

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by Stitch
Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing MAX-10 First Flight Thread
Replies: 227
Views: 41777

Re: Boeing MAX-10 First Flight Thread

So the MAX10 will be touching down with the fuselage farther away from the pavement than the 8 and 9? Any chance for pilots getting confused about flare when switching among the versions? Can't definitively answer that since I am not a commercial pilot, but as soon as the plane touches down, the ge...

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by Stitch
Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:19 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y
Replies: 220
Views: 17836

Re: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y

Unless the USAF is willing to accept the KC-30A as used by the RAAF, I don't see how KC-Y would be anything but more KC-46 as I don't see how a customized "KC-45 Mk. II" would be able to compete on costs against a (hopefully by then) mature KC-46 program. After all, that is how the KC-46 w...

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by Stitch
Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing MAX-10 First Flight Thread
Replies: 227
Views: 41777

Re: Boeing MAX-10 First Flight Thread

Revelation wrote:
Sorry but I think Stitch's information is out of date.


Could be - my info was from September 2020, but that was as recent as I could find in a Google search. I have an FG membership, but it is not a Premium one so I couldn't read their more recent stuff, including your linked article.

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by Stitch
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing MAX-10 First Flight Thread
Replies: 227
Views: 41777

Re: Boeing MAX-10 First Flight Thread

lightsaber wrote:
I assume the EU still wants angle of attack data? What was the final solution?


All MAX will be adding a synthetic air data system (SADS), starting with the MAX-10 (required for certification) and then retrofitted to the rest of the family afterwards.

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by Stitch
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing MAX-10 First Flight Thread
Replies: 227
Views: 41777

Re: Boeing MAX-10 First Flight Thread

I found that main landing gear mechanism nice but at the same time I'm wondering what happens if for whatever reason that gear fails to extend or retract during take-off or landing? As I understand it from watching the Boeing videos, the extension is spring-loaded so it would be extended by gravity...

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by Stitch
Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:00 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 76
Views: 16104

Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Maybe they don't have the right masks available (for whatever reason) so they are painting it as close as possible to the correct number with the masks they have and then are "fixing it in post" later on as the correct masks become available? As bikerthai , there seems to be too many check...

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by Stitch
Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

What's stopping Boeing from XLR'ing the MAX 10? By that I mean installing a larger integrated center tank. There may or may not be the space available to add an "Aft Center Tank" like on the A321XLR and even if there is, without an increase in the Gross Operating Weights (like MTOW) any a...

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by Stitch
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

NameOmitted wrote:
What does this mean from an accounting perspective? Am I correct in that most of the costs involved with the delay have already been accounted for in last year's numbers, making these potentially remarkably profitable now?


"Remarkably" profitable? Probably not.

But it is booked revenue.

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by Stitch
Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:21 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: USAF VC-25B News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 239
Views: 30043

Re: USAF VC-25B News and Discussion Thread

The article mentions Boeing has claimed the delay is due to COVID and the bankruptcy of GDC Technics LLC and is seeking the funds to cover the additional costs of operating under COVID restrictions and I presume seeking a new contractor to continue the interior outfitting originally contracted to GD...

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by Stitch
Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I think discounts are largely based on supply and demand. Competition, commonality, order size, backlog's, slots, (lack of) alternatives play a roll. Giving 60-70% discounts on A321NEO, A220-300.. why? Maybe not so much at this stage. The A321 is a great plane, but it is not so great that Airbus ca...

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by Stitch
Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Bottom line is there still is good money to be made for both A and B even as discounts from list approach 70%. :yes: By the mid-2010s, Airbus and Boeing were routinely starting discussions at half-off list for new customers or small top-up orders and if you were a "Favored Nation" custome...

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by Stitch
Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124555

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

IMO that the regulators caused a multi year slip is far of the mark. I assume the delay occurs because Boeing tried some shortcuts again. It's public knowledge that the certification program for the 777X has changed and is much more expansive and prolonged than Boeing originally planned. Part of th...

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by Stitch
Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I find your explanation rather unlikely. Canceling the frames cut the discount that Boeing gives on delayed frames. The max the airlines can collect from Boeing are the payments with the order and progress payments. All such compensation by Boeing is paid as discount on frames delivered. Delay comp...

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by Stitch
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

If the airlines having ordered the MAX earlier would speculate to get the MAX later, why cancel and not defer? Because they needed to reduce their near-term capital exposure due to the "COVID collapse" and the grounding of MAX likely triggered clauses in the sales contract that allowed th...

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by Stitch
Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

IMO Boeing needs a new narrow body family just to compete. MAX had significant orders prior to the grounding and the "COVID Collapse", and I doubt that was because airlines preferred another ~5000 A320 than Airbus could deliver. Once airline traffic recovers, MAX should start selling agai...

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by Stitch
Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Reading the article, it sounds like Boeing is starting to lay the groundwork for the NSA/737RS and starting with where the current pain-point is: above 200 seats. I do hope that a 5000nm Design Range is not the "baseline", but instead what the theoretical maximum is with an "ACT"...

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by Stitch
Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:02 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments - 2021
Replies: 370
Views: 45807

Re: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments - 2021

Yeah that was awesome to see "Of Course I Still Love You" during the final descent and then actual touchdown on the pad.

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by Stitch
Sun May 30, 2021 5:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FAA Confirms Boeing Halts 787 Deliveries
Replies: 108
Views: 25568

Re: FAA Confirms Boeing Halts 787 Deliveries

Is it safe to say that the last overall trouble free Boeing launch was the original 777 in the mid 90s? Not really. They had to spend double what they planned to get it out the door on time and once they did, the production meltdown destroyed the margins on the initial planes. Some believe Boeing h...

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by Stitch
Sun May 30, 2021 5:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124555

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

For me the mystery deepens with the information, that the test frame build to collect performance data (apart from other tests), has only flown 48 hours since 08/03/2020. What is happening with the 777-9 test flight program? What mystery? The whole program took a two year slip. It doesn't make sens...

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by Stitch
Sun May 30, 2021 2:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124555

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

We can talk about NAMS testing all day long. But nobody will convince me that in all the test flights done, fuel burn would be data not collected. Of course data has been collected and it's been fed back into the computer models, but that data may or may not be that representative of an actual reve...

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by Stitch
Sat May 29, 2021 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124555

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

By that we can conclude that the data in question is below par? I am not sure the 777X has started NAMS testing, which is where Boeing generates the data that is used to validate the performance of the airplane against the agreements laid out in the sales contracts. So at this point, there is likel...

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by Stitch
Fri May 28, 2021 2:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124555

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

One very interesting question is, how out of spec are the already build ones and who will take them? I would presume the contracted customers will once the frames are brought to the final specification via change incorporation. I guess LH will take the first official delivery now? Will they take th...

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by Stitch
Mon May 24, 2021 8:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Who bought 747-8i LN 1435 LH ntu
Replies: 15
Views: 6952

Re: Who bought 747-8i LN 1435 LH ntu

aristoenigma wrote:
What kind of VIP customer stays unidentified for two plus months?


One that doesn't want to advertise (yet) that it just bought a very expensive airplane?

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by Stitch
Mon May 24, 2021 4:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Who bought 747-8i LN 1435 LH ntu
Replies: 15
Views: 6952

Re: Who bought 747-8i LN 1435 LH ntu

If the USAF bought it, there should be a line-item in the last Defense Budget and one would think somebody in the media would have picked that up.

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by Stitch
Thu May 20, 2021 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

A DOW of 132.5 tonnes would suggest an OEW in the region of 128 - 129 tonnes.... I'd guess typical A350 OEW's to be in the region of 136 - 137 tonnes Rgds Fair enough and sounds about right. Turkish publicly posted their weight sheets for various models in their fleet that listed the average OEW an...

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by Stitch
Thu May 20, 2021 4:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Rubbish again...No 330neos are that heavy. https://hifly.aero/public/uploads/2019/06/HiFly_A330-9H-SZN.pdf From that PDF: Typical Dry Operating Weight: 132,505kg And for the record, I did note CS-TKY's lower OEW in my original post: The Hi-Fly A330-900s configured with a small Business Class and th...

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by Stitch
Wed May 19, 2021 3:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

If the A339 OEW is 135t it is dead. It is not the 787 that would have killed it but the A359. A longer aircraft able to take more passengers at the same weight. So let me get this right, Airbus has positioned the A339 at the same OEW as the A359 with less passengers because they feel like it? Hi-Fl...

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by Stitch
Tue May 18, 2021 4:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

...s far as I can tell Boeing pulled a blinder by talking about the 767 and 757 during the development program and what they were actually targeting was the A330 territory, the noise of the "new 767" masked the fact that is was actually a "new A330" The original 7E7 was sized ar...

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by Stitch
Mon May 17, 2021 10:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I doubt most airlines agree. Especially a big one in Atlanta. My hunch (thats all it is) is that most 787s are used on "longer" routes most of the time. The 787s are supplanting the 767s on the "longer" routes because of their greater efficiency. Only the US3 and JP2 operate 767...

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by Stitch
Mon May 17, 2021 3:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

FluidFlow wrote:
I only see two large 767-300F operators (FedEx and UPS) that really use a lot of 767.


Do not forget Amazon.

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by Stitch
Mon May 17, 2021 3:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I think the most important factor is that the aircraft needs LD3 capability going forward, especially as this would be a great base for a freighter. LD3s might be important for passenger carriers, but the world's largest freight airlines all have the 767 as a foundation in their fleet so I don't th...

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by Stitch
Mon May 17, 2021 2:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Imho Boeing appeared to try to "force " airline customers to buy the 787, even though it is way too big and heavy to be a 767 replacement, by making it just a smidgen too big to allow the engines to be used for a 767 refresh. The 787 is so much more efficient than a 767 that the extra emp...

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by Stitch
Sun May 16, 2021 9:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I’m just saying that what decision Boeing makes about the standard config. Passenger comfort will be second thought Well even Boeing is starting to realize that airlines don't always have passenger comfort in mind and are addressing that to some effect by allowing for wider seats on the 737 MAX and...

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by Stitch
Fri May 14, 2021 2:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

They would get an premium/higher margin over the A321 and have first mover advantage in an segment where there is no competition yet. But that is kind of the point - there is no competition for Airbus in that market segment right now. The A321 might not be the best option (hence Boeing studying NMA...

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by Stitch
Fri May 14, 2021 4:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

744SPX wrote:
Perfect opportunity for Airbus to launch a re-winged A322 using slightly uprated versions of the GTF and LEAP-X...


Until Boeing actually launches NMA, I don't see the need to. They would just be spending money developing a plane to secure sales they already would have had with the A321.

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by Stitch
Thu May 13, 2021 10:42 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Jet engines in the 2020s and 2030s.
Replies: 17
Views: 5281

Re: Jet engines in the 2020s and 2030s.

What kind of "a little extra armor" is going to contain a blade-off event like that? Considering the nacelle of a GE9X can handle one of those massive blades coming off, I would think something similar would be sufficient to protect the aft fuselage. Especially if they are mounted like Bo...

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by Stitch
Thu May 13, 2021 5:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 2162
Views: 231295

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Sounds like maybe UltraFan is currently dimensioned for around 70-80,000 pounds of thrust for use with large widebodies like the 787 and A350 as a re-engine option to replace the existing Trents.

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by Stitch
Mon May 10, 2021 8:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 618
Views: 124555

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Western727 wrote:
Thank you, Polot. That makes a lot of sense. I didn't know 779s with only 4 sets of doors existed, either.


You only need the fifth door if you intend to have more than 440 seats. Adding the fifth door allows up to 495 seats.

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by Stitch
Mon May 10, 2021 8:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 156
Views: 46439

Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

I doubt it would show as unidentified on Boeing's public orders page if the USAF had taken it. honestly it makes perfect sense because 1- OPSEC 2- Something that the public wouldn't know about until after it has happened. The E-4B replacement program is not a "black project" so a purchase...

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by Stitch
Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing aims to evenly spilt narrowbody aircraft market share
Replies: 234
Views: 20432

Re: Boeing aims to evenly spilt narrowbody aircraft market share

There is a fallacy that Boeing is not capital constrained, or that it may not have issues raising capital for a new program. Take a $15-20B loan/bond on top of the current debt and this company is done. Yet, this is what they need to do. Well evidently the capital markets are dumb enough to allow B...

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