Re: Hawaii reopening delayed until Sep. 1

IMHO I dont see Hawaii opening until a vaccine is available. It is just too out of control now. Alaska has and they are doing testing at the airport. The cases have gone up but it’s not out of control. Hawaii has modeled their pre-arrival testing/tracing plan on Alaska’s plan. Unfortunately the nec...

Re: Southwest Furloughs

Considering how hard the latest round of negotiations were for some unions during the good times it’s hard to imagine times will ever be good enough in the future to get back anything given up. Check out what some of the folks who’ve been through this before have to say in the legacy threads. Conces...

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

wnflyguy wrote:

Well Hawaii extended it's required 14 day quarantine until September 1st. This will have a big impact for August Flights.

Flyguy

Re: Trying to locate members

Some good memories of these names above. how times change. A well-known user of the chat function, but he also was the one who started doing pilot trip reports in the trip reports section. He posted 7 or 8 of them, but eventually his employer made him take them down. If you were around way back the...

Re: Trying to locate members

Very true. I think many of them find it wearing after 10, 20, 30, or more years doing what they do out in the real world to have 13 year olds who have never so much as sat in a Cessna tell them that they don't know what they're talking about and that some half-baked, hare-brained idea "will wo...

Re: TSA Screening Numbers - Charts and Comparisons

Please discuss TSA numbers in this thread. General virus discussion should be in non-aviation. Lightsaber Come on, just about every topic right now will be related to virus discussions. Have some leniency here. I’m tired of sifting through mega threads. Let the discussions happen organically as the...

Re: 'Reverse vignetting'

The hobby is dying a slow death. The hobby isn’t dying. Airliners.net relevance is. As for the driven away photographers, those people who’ve gone are gone, they won’t come back. Some either have photos elsewhere or just left photography completely. In my case, there are better things to do than ha...

Re: CARES Act Aid Extension for Airlines

Quite the elaborate hoax indeed. So much so that Europe, Canada, Asia, and many other countries are all in on it too.... and they are all willing to tank their economies just so Trump looks bad. Very plausible. Sorry, but as someone who has family who works in hospitals, and who has known people lo...

Re: CARES Act Aid Extension for Airlines

CARES was an attempt to hit the pause button so everyone could catch their breath on the downward spiral, allowing the airlines to survive the initial shock. I think at the time most assumed this would be a 1-2 month problem and that 6 months would give us a clearer picture of how recovery would go....

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

I noticed something encouraging on the OAG thread this morning regarding AS and service to Hawaii. The changes loaded today for AS were all for August,essentially the fine tuning of that schedule, mostly consisting of reductions from the August schedule released a long time ago. That is not to say ...

Re: US Airline Booking Trends during COVID-19

Any explanation why Hawaii cases are rising DESPITE the massive lock down? Same story with California. They have a lock down and still cases are rising. Hawaii’s recent spike has been linked to an outbreak at a nursing home and a cluster of cases linked to a church gathering at a home which include...

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

WN update: I see that SAN-HNL service is now showing on their website starting August 1 - 1 daily r/t, with a 3 pm-ish departure from SAN and a morning HNL return arriving back at SDIA ~6pm! I don't see any Maui service in August but perhaps it shows up later in the year. So I can now report that W...

Re: US Airline Booking Trends during COVID-19

acavpics wrote:

I would bet my life savings that we are not in this situation next year at this time

Re: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - June 2020

The anti police brutality protests were led by people fighting the brutal racism and inconsistent treatment by the powers that should protect us all. The people protesting in the streets or supporting the protests are the same people who for two months publicly shamed anyone who stepped foot outsid...

Re: WN operating to HNL and / or inter island currently?

Yes, WN is currently operating:

HNL-OAK x 2
HNL-OGG x 3
HNL-KOA x 3
HNL-LIH x 3
HNL-ITO x 3

Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

MIflyer12 wrote:

That sounds to me more like giving Airbus pilots something to fly, given how the west Coast schedule has been decimated.

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

The service from SAN to HNL and OGG is of course contingent on the State of Hawaii opening up for tourism which is not expected to happen until at least July or August so I don't blame this delay totally on WN. But I am slightly troubled that they apparently don't expect that by November things wil...

Re: Outrage...

I’m tired of it. I’m tired of the hypocrisy and the selective outrage. Social media (twitter specifically) has been shouting the sky is falling for a few years now. It’s one reason after another and if you get caught up in it you start to feel as if the sky is indeed falling, yet it never does. Nobo...

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

BTW, HNL & OGG do not show up anywhere here because neither route has not yet actually flown; who knows when/if that will ever happen now... the roller coaster ride from SAN to Hawaii continues. bb Hi Bob, hope you are well. Regarding Hawaii...they really can’t catch a break. SAN-HNL was suppos...

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Is there still a minimum number of flights a station needs to have in order to be staffed by full time WN employees? For ramp service. In our TWU contract anything over 14 daily departures must be staffed by WN ramp union members. Anything less than 14 can be outsourced to contract employees. WNage...

Re: TSA Screening Numbers - Charts and Comparisons

I’m tired of people trying to kill all positivity and hope by reminding us how bad things are year over year. We know it’s still bad! The point is things are improving and you don’t get back to “normal” without hitting these small improvements first. States are slowly reopening, many only opening in...

Re: DL Will Have 7,000 Extra Pilots in Fall

There is no link, you have to take my word for it considering every flight I operate as a Captain, like to log in my comments section of my logbooks how many passengers I am carrying. Nor am I going to post photos of flights loads I have been looking at from our company travel site.... I'll tell yo...

Re: UA planning layoffs but not AA, DL etc..?

United is being very open about their plan for the worst, hope for the best strategy. What’s interesting to me is while some airline CEOs have been relatively optimistic, discussing slight upticks in demand etc, United continues to say it’s all bad with no signs of improvement. It’s obvious that all...

Re: Doug Parker calls out airlines cutting work hours despite accepting CARES funding

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2020/05/05/american-airlines-ceo-says-united-cannot-legally-shift-workers-from-fulltime-to-parttime-sources-say/#181631916efd American Airlines CEO Says United Can’t Legally Shift Workers From Full-Time To Part-Time, Sources Say American Airlines AAL does not ag...

Re: AA Reports First-Quarter 2020 Financial Results

That one time Parker said the airline would never lose money ever again..... I'm all for someone being bold, but seriously... To make that claim has to be haunting him. Go back to the moment he said that and tell the world what will happen in 2020. You would be the crazy one. Even when he first sai...

Re: AA Reports First-Quarter 2020 Financial Results

F9Animal wrote:

That one time Parker said the airline would never lose money ever again..... I'm all for someone being bold, but seriously... To make that claim has to be haunting him.

Re: Best Phone Camera

For aviation there is no suitable phone camera. For uploading and getting photos accepted here, that is. Thankfully this isn’t the only place on the web to share aviation photos. I have ramp access so that helps but I take plenty of aviation photos with my iPhone 11 Pro that I am very happy with. R...

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

And once this treatment is announced it will be back to business as people will think it is contained and believe even more that it's just another flu. Once this happens I am confident that people who have been cooped up for two months will hit the road with a vengeance. Airlines just need to hold ...

Re: Is AA’s Doug Parker way too optimistic?

I watched The CEO of AA’s video and he seemed rather optimistic compared to DL and UA in terms of the COVID19 effects on the airline industry.....is this just blowing smoke or is he on to something as far being able to recover in a robust way ... See the link below: https://thepointsguy.com/news/am...

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

+1 They also could be busting ho it a down to the contractual minimums-or even declaring Force Majeure- but that’s doesn’t seem to be happening here, eitherZ United has already indicated that layoffs and/or furloughs are a strong possibility this fall. I would hold off on giving any carriers too mu...

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

They're paying them all their scheduled hours to stay home. CARES or not, that's a fantastic move, and I hope we'll see other carriers follow suit. They have no choice if they take the grant money. Neither does any carrier. They will all take the grant money, so therefore the employees will collect...

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

WN announced it's cutting if flying down to 2000 flights a day for May and June. Sound like there's going to park 200 more aircraft also. Flyguy I wonder if this means some cities will go dark for a while. All the networks going to maintain but probably be more Of a spoke and hub operations vs a lo...

Re: RUMOR - HA To Cancel All Mainland Flying

Is Hawaii actually enforcing the quarantine? Just for the hell of it I checked the Sheraton Waikiki, and they are most definitely willing to sell me a room for tomorrow. And AA has plenty of cheap fares in F. So I know HI's governor has announced this quarantine, but is it actually being enforced? ...

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

SXDFC wrote:

The following planes have been, or are en route to VCV as of 03/22/2020

N270WN
N561WN
N705SW
N714CB
N716SW
N717SA
N719SW
N726SW
N728SW
N743SW
N745SW
N768SW
N770SA
N771SA
N773SA
N774SW
N775SW
N776WN
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N779SW
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

But, why wouldn't air traffic return to normal after the virus outbreak is over? In Europe most governments are pouring money into their economies to keep businesses 'alive' till they can reopen again after the crises. I'm sure the US economy will also get incentivises. IMHO, DL is really getting a...

Re: What will be the lasting effects of the Coronavirus on commercial aviation?

Here's the thing though: how can that (specifically) to be claimed a "difference" when we have no idea what the scope of the COVID19 confidence gap will be at this time ? My post was in reference to the general fact that both scares have a direct related to airliners. Because people aren’...

Re: What will be the lasting effects of the Coronavirus on commercial aviation?

....what little difference there is between those two, isn't stark at all. The difference is how quickly confidence will be restored in being able to safely travel on an airliner, which will be based on confidence to safely carry on with life as we knew it. Here's the thing though: how can that (sp...

Re: What will be the lasting effects of the Coronavirus on commercial aviation?

The doom and gloom its actually the scariest part of any employee affected by this (travel, live shows, restaurants and bar industry). Because nothing like this has ever happened on a global scale, we really don’t know and can’t predict what will happen. The only fact is LIFE WILL GO ON - it has al...

Re: What will be the lasting effects of the Coronavirus on commercial aviation?

The difference is 9/11 directly involved airliners. The Coronavirus doesn’t. Not really. ⋅ Airliners just happened to be the vector chosen for a second terrorist attack on the WTC and other targets: thus they were avoided ⋅ Airliners also happen to be about the worst place anyon...

Re: What will be the lasting effects of the Coronavirus on commercial aviation?

I keep telling myself this is only temporary. It’s only temporary. One can hope, right? Heh.

Re: Airlines unpaid leaves and layoffs thread

Still no layoff numbers here at UA yet. UA is offering up to 6 months unpaid leave, employees don't have to take the whole 6 months each department can decide how much or little block time they think their employees would be comfortable with, I think the lowest amount I've seen is a week. UA will a...

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Yes, industry is going to be in the dumpster for the next 3-5 years. We aren't getting back to 2019 levels anytime soon, Economic recession and pandemic fears to weigh heavily for the next several years. It was good while it lasted. I actually think the pandemic fears once this current situation cl...

Re: The Herd Mentality

If you’re out doing your regular shopping and realize while you aren’t out of supplies yet (such as toilet paper), you will be in need of more soon and you check the shelves so you can grab some because it might not be there when you need it, you’re just as much (or more) of the problem. It isn’t j...

Re: The Herd Mentality

If you’re out doing your regular shopping and realize while you aren’t out of supplies yet (such as toilet paper), you will be in need of more soon and you check the shelves so you can grab some because it might not be there when you need it, you’re just as much (or more) of the problem. It isn’t ju...

Re: Question about sharpening

Well, this has been a question for long in my mind after quite a few photos rejected for the reason soft. Is there a way (better quantitatively) to see if the photo is properly shapened? Or is it merely based on experience and kind of underlying "feeling"? Thanks! There are so many variab...

Re: Tiny Things That Drive You Insane

Something just came across my social media from WN about "Irregardless of who you are we our happy two serve and their are..." something. I forget. It was like fingernails on the blackboard and brilliant all at once. You're joking, right? Can anyone write/spell this poorly? If this is leg...

Re: Tiny Things That Drive You Insane

I easily get worked up so this should be fun. Here it goes... When ordering fast food and I say I’ll have a medium number 2 with a Coke. “What size?” Medium. “Drink?” :banghead: When ordering takeout and they say “How may I help you?” and immediately get distracted and miss everything I just said. P...

Re: Southwest CEO given green light by Board to look at other aircraft

Nothing like stagnant growth for a year due to putting all their eggs on the MAX, and who knows what could happen if the MAX program has problems again. The fact is WN is getting eaten by other carriers taking on their planned capacity growth. Hindsight does funny things, right? The all-737 fleet h...

Re: When did airlines start offering employees free/reduced fare travel?

I think it's a perk that needs to be abolished. Employees need to fork up the cash like the rest of us. Them getting free or next to free traveling dilutes the experience. I’ll never understand why so many people come here, to an aviation enthusiast website, and just absolutely dump on airline empl...

Re: AA gets permanent injunction against mechanics union

...with globalization...anywhere. How about with the FAA inspecting WN, or heaven forbid other airlines in the USA or someone who needs qualified mechanics? I do not believe that you are saying that they can only work at AA, they must like the stress. He’s saying a topped out employee can’t leave t...