They will have no choice if Scotland go independent and join the EU. The spanish government will have huge pressure on them, i’m shocked they’ve managed to hold on to Catalonia until now to be honest. I feel the independence movement there is larger than Scotland. The national spanish government ha...Jump to post
@ Point 3 - and spain will veto Scotland joining too. Nope. Plenty of politicians on record saying they won't mind as long as it's done legally. Okay, well it’s up to them...Catalan independence WILL follow, and flanders will be next. Nope. Both Spain and Belgium are full EU members with vetoes aga...Jump to post
Arion640 wrote:Comparing 9/11 to a leaflet on a door in a block of apartments is laughable.
What evidence? The actual pamphlet combined with the whole flood of like-minded pamphlets and utterances all from the Brexit camp. Is it incontrovertible proof? Not yet. Is it obviously plausible and looking extremely unlikely that it's something else? Yes, it is. There is no evidence that a racist...Jump to post
You don’t even live in the UK :) Common decency isn't fundamentally different across different countries. Nor is the opposite of it. You have no genuine idea of what people think other than Twitter and the tabloid media. I take an actual interest in what's going on and I talk to people. Over time t...Jump to post
So you have no evidence. One article and you have reached a conclusion. Ok :) The evidence is in the photo and in the report to the police who are now pursuing it. And your post is evidence that this kind of thing seems to be okay with you and you're only bothered by being seen next to it, just lik...Jump to post
It could easily been a remainer writing that to stir things up. I have yet to see any remainer thinking even just remotely the way you do. A look what I found message. Look at Brexit has caused. It is an explicit threat , effectively an eviction notice , just not from the landlord but intended to b...Jump to post
How was it our problem? Exactly to the extent that you could now be shedding legitimate tears – or not. Can you provide evidence please that a Brexit supporter printed that letter? Read it! I did read it. Again you provide evidence please that a Brexit supporter wrote this? Or are you assuming this...Jump to post
noviorbis77 wrote:Can you provide evidence please that a Brexit supporter printed that letter?
EU is also about solidarity, Helping area's to get to a better standard of living. Which in turn helps the richer area's as well because it is a better market to do business in. Like Greece? Yes, like Greece. The default would have been Greece tumbling into bankruptcy and into a much harsher situat...Jump to post
Racism is not confined to the UK, that incident was report to the police as a hate crime and is being investigated accordingly as such. This was specifically and explicitly a Brexit -themed assault on people living in that block. That the Brexit campaign always had a racist component has always com...Jump to post
Yes and civil servants don't really care one way or the other what happens, they have a job they do it. Of course making any public service anywhere working correctly and in the interests of its community will always remain important, but that necessity is the same anywhere and not special for the ...Jump to post
And with the way back now cut off, brexiters are switching to full 1930s mode, consistent with their rethoric all along: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/police-called-in-after-poster-tells-residents-of-flats-to-speak-english https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/dbd438ca677c2d4bccf2efcf23c...Jump to post
Arion640 wrote:That’s fine Klaus, we understand Europe have brain washed you. One day, you too will be liberated.
President of the EU commission - not elected by the people! He/she is elected by the elected national leaders in the Council and needs to be confirmed by the elected Parliament. And by the way: He/she indeed doesn't have any major decision powers! Most european national leaders are also not elected...Jump to post
They probably could, except they’d have to except the Euro and Schengen which they won’t be able too without a hard border with England. The Euro has nothing to do with a hard border. The Republic of Ireland has had it all along and there still wasn't a hard border with Northern Ireland and its Bri...Jump to post
Arion640 wrote:As everyone in the Netherlands likes the EU, but i don’t understand really as I don’t live there.
Sorry to disappoint you Klaus. But they do exist. Everyone knows it. Unelected european bureaucrats have no major decision powers any more than UK ones do. You've been lied to about that, but it seems you're clinging to that lie because without it your Brexit vote looks just like what it is: A seve...Jump to post
Someone gave me a page per day calendar with 'this day in history' and for Jan. 31, it was about the execution of Guy Fawkes in 1606 for his attempt to do a mass murder of Parliament. Funny coincidence as the UK may have executed itself from the EU. Indeed. So far, I don't see much change reported ...Jump to post
I wonder what the mood between EU leaders is. Should they of given us our concessions? The mood seems rather the opposite: the UK is the ultimate proof that concessions are not effective. Like when you try to educate a spoiled brat. You’ll never know what the bureaucrats think. You seriously need t...Jump to post
EU Commission building in Brussels last night. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPpIVbxXsAAI5lY?format=jpg&name=large This is not the smart thing to do. The matter will pop-up when it comes. I don't know if this was done "officially" or by someone with a projector. However it's in response...Jump to post
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1236415/Brexit-news-EU-meat-tax-sustainability-charge-meat-prices-climate-change-EU-Green-Deal/amp?__twitter_impression=true Did any of this appear in any Manifestos at last years Euro Elections? No longer hiding the true cost of environmentally damaging food ...Jump to post
One month ago Javid promised all departments would get an increased budget of at least inflation. One month later he's ordering all departments to cut spending by 5%. I guess Brexit is going well, very well indeed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IcE6wgkxTo Each department has been told to identif...Jump to post
It can't propose legislation, its approval is not required to implement most policy, and has limited veto powers. It is not a sovereign parliament like most other democratic governments. Veto powers are not "limited". It's in the name! And overall there is a lack of perspective: Every sin...Jump to post
A few quick points on my part: A rejoin referendum would be electoral suicide if implemented as part of the UK Labour platform for at least the next two election cycles, if there's a way to remain uncompetitive in North-East England & Wales, this is it. The looming demographic crisis to be face...Jump to post
The EU is probably one of the largest and least democratic governing institutions in the world. Yeah, you can say he's gotten to "participate" as a member of the European parliament, but the EU parliament itself is essentially powerless and toothless...so you have the veneer of democracy ...Jump to post
Farewell my European friends.. I hope we realise the madness of our ways and return soon... a fuller participator, paying our proper full rate and in Schengen with our rights fully restored. It may take time to achieve and to reverse this patriotic xenophobic populist nonsense... but over time, wit...Jump to post
US Presidential elections aren’t a popularity contest. That's actually the whole point of any democratic election! Trump won the election and he was not “installed”. He actually lost the election by 3 million votes and the electoral college declared him the winner anyway. The irony is that the whol...Jump to post
At the stroke of midnight the UK has just succeeded in turning itself into a pumpkin.
Congratulations. After a long and tough journey Britain closed a chapter in its history. I used to think maybe referendum was a mistake, but Boris Johnson reelection confirms it is the will of majority and need to be respected in a democracy. It isn't. He didn't win a majority in the popular vote –...Jump to post
Even if it does happen, I fully expect any future membership to be on completely different terms to what it has been for the last 47 years, though I'll try to avoid speculating what they will be until such a time ever occurs. Not "completely" different, just without those extra special op...Jump to post
You tell me, you seem to imply that the only reason why the UK is leaving the EU is because old people are nostalgic abut the past. I guess we should accept that, after the vote the racist and xenophobic card was also thrown out, so it is what it is...I guess it will never be accepted as a show of ...Jump to post
Should England continue to do most of its trade with Germany, France, Holland, Denmark, Spain, Italy it will be as rule takers. Rules from government representing some 400 million people will tell them how, how many, and how fast they can sell their goods in those countries. The government represen...Jump to post
When i lived there just after the vote in 2016 everyone i met was very supportive of brexit. They wanted to trade with us. And when the UK entered its application to the WTO, New Zealand was among those countries who vetoed that application right away. They may have been so happy about Brexit becau...Jump to post
Rather pathetic that MEP’s are not allowed to display their nations flags in the European Parliament. Wonder why that is ;) Because flag-waving nitwits are not a new phenomenon nor an exclusively english one, and contrary to many in England we actually remember where that kind of thing tends to end...Jump to post
I agree, i love Europe, but our culture and connections are much more aligned with the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. We’ve been the outsider for years with the opt out’s we’ve maintained. I think having a previous extensive empire, sharing the same head of state with multiple nations and n...Jump to post
par13del wrote:Well if the UK is still within eyesight of Europe
In reading the coverage of the vote in the EU parliament, some comment about being sad that the UK is leaving Europe, when the sun rises on 01-Feb-2020 the cliffs of Dover will still be visible from the continent. What it says to me is that as a people, we have allowed the political constructs to s...Jump to post
That would mean any rejoin being ever the more unlikely. Let's see how the post-Brexit unicorn deliveries go. You have common laws, Only some , and those have been agreed between governments of sovereign countries and ratified by the duly elected European Parliament (and by national parliaments, to...Jump to post
We would have to join and Schengen would we not if we rejoined? Given the UK public has been massively against joining the Euro since its creation, I cannot foresee any circumstance in which this would change. But who knows. The rules are the rules, and you've just voted to throw away all of the UK...Jump to post
Just a quick question. Why do the Continental Europeans on this endlessly tedious thread seem to care so much? At the end of the day the people most affected by this will be the British, it's not going to affect the rest of the EU past importers and exporters. Why care so much? Same reason why we d...Jump to post
I don't think the EU wants the UK back. The UK will be stripped bare by the neo-liberal fultures and I don't think the EU wants a carcass. The EU is not just a commercial club, it is a continent-wide project with a primarily political motivation to have a political structure for peaceful, democrati...Jump to post
Scotland have had their vote on the issue. Yeah, and that's why you only have one Commons vote in your lifetime (at least if you're lucky enough to be of voting age when that singular vote happens!). Repeating that would be completely redundant and an obvious waste of money. What a ludicrous idea! ...Jump to post
But just to be sure, England will not let them vote on it in the first place, the way true democracy works! Klaus, you are wrong, very wrong. The EU is a non-democratic dictatorial body and the UK is the pinnacle of democracy. Shame you did not get that memo..... Just wondering why the evidence kee...Jump to post
We don’t want freedom of movement in the UK. Speak for yourself. Listen Scotland will not get an Independence vote during this Parliament. Plus there is no assurance they’d vote for independence beyond on 2024. But just to be sure, England will not let them vote on it in the first place, the way tr...Jump to post
From a video I watched the other day, on youtube from Channel 4, an interviewee, who knew a thing or two about trade deals, was saying that how much divergence, and on what, the UK would consider/implement, didn't matter. January 1st 2021, everything crossing the border into the EU from the UK will...Jump to post
olle wrote:Shhhhhh!!!!! You are not supposed to say this... Eu is scared you know and the FTA will be sooo simple to make and give UK all it wants!
olle wrote:seahawk wrote:Johnson is well prepared and the EU will be scared. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... talks.html
He got Mr Davis on his team?
I missed this little conversation. But wow you openly admit you are happy for the EU to use political interference in the domestic affairs in a foreign country. If Scotland wins its independence, it won't be a UK domestic affair any more, and until then the EU won't take any active steps. You speci...Jump to post
I missed this little conversation. But wow you openly admit you are happy for the EU to use political interference in the domestic affairs in a foreign country. If Scotland wins its independence, it won't be a UK domestic affair any more, and until then the EU won't take any active steps. When do w...Jump to post