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by ArchGuy1
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:39 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

I think that the man in the street would have been aware of it to a greater extent than if it happened to a modern ship. Firstly it was an ocean liner, not a cruise ship with all that implies. Secondly, news was communicated differently in those days. Newspapers were much more important and there w...

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by ArchGuy1
Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:54 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Vessel at Hudson Yards Closed After Series of Suicides
Replies: 38
Views: 3149

Vessel at Hudson Yards Closed After Series of Suicides

The Vessel at Hudson Yards in New York City has been closed after a series of suicides since it opened in March 2019. The unique attraction will remain closed while the owners consult with suicide prevention experts. Very sad that an iconic structure has to close due to people deciding to commit sui...

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by ArchGuy1
Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:14 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Biden’s Safety
Replies: 80
Views: 4995

Re: Biden’s Safety

They will likely have to do a more thorough check on new applicants and existing employers. History is certainly being made.

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by ArchGuy1
Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:32 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Was the burning of the RMS Queen Elizabeth talked about by average everyday people on the street when it happened in January 1972, since it made headline news across the world?

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by ArchGuy1
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:18 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

bennett123 wrote:
It is somewhat smaller than many of the scrapped ships.

I suspect that this may be a factor in it's favour.

Are the Rotterdam and Amsterdam also smaller than many of the scrapped ships?

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by ArchGuy1
Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:58 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

The Vasco de Gama will sail for the Nicko Cruises, which is the German based brand for Mystic Cruises. The ship will help expand the Nicko footprint and has already done so under Cruise & Maritime Voyages. Some good news, while many ships about her age are being scrapped. https://www.cruiseindus...

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by ArchGuy1
Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:27 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Countries That Have Closed Airspace Due to COVID-19
Replies: 4
Views: 1863

Re: Countries That Have Closed Airspace Due to COVID-19

India had shut down all International & Domestic Commercial flights from March 2020 for a few months & only permitted Cargo & Relief Passenger flights between few countries for evacuation. Currently Domestic commercial aviation has opened upto 80% but International ops has not yet comme...

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by ArchGuy1
Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:38 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

That is a secondary source. It's just one person writing something on their website. In legal terms, I believe that would be "hearsay". A real source would be newspaper articles and editorials from back when it was actually happening. The person who wrote this is a cruise/shipping industr...

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by ArchGuy1
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:10 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

What’s equally confusing is that I’ve read a few different sources for the “outcry” that all seem to be copy/pasted from each other, seemingly originating on one blog with no primary source.. And there’s no actual evidence that the alleged outcry did anything to save the SS Rotterdam. It just seems...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:21 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Given the supposed demand for old cruise ships to be turned into hotels or museums, why have all these ships been scrapped?. . Cash for cruise lines and it was the same with old Penn Station in New York City back in 1964 when it was demolished so that the Pennsylvania Railroad could get needed reve...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:57 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Indeed, the scrapping of the SS Nieuw Amsterdam in 1974 led to an outcry in the Netherlands and this led to the SS Rotterdam being preserved in her namesake city 35 years later. You keep bringing up the SS Rotterdam when it comes to ship preservation. I am pretty sure you know nothing of the backgr...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:28 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: The 1915 Canakkale Bridge
Replies: 12
Views: 1398

Re: The 1915 Canakkale Bridge

What made the Golden Gate Bridge, Brooklyn Bridge, Sydney Harbor Bridge, and Tower Bridge recognizable landmarks and popular tourist attractions? All those bridges are in areas that a lot of tourists visit. You can build the same bridges in for instance rural China, and no one would put the bridge ...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:17 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

bennett123 wrote:
ArchGuy1

That was in 2018, not 2020.

Whole different ball game..

Furthermore, the continued restoration work I am referring to for QE2 took place while the ship was closed in 2020.

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:13 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: The 1915 Canakkale Bridge
Replies: 12
Views: 1398

Re: The 1915 Canakkale Bridge

Hmmm... tough question. On the one hand it is extremely long, possibly the longest center span in the world, so that is definitely noteworthy. On the other hand it appears to be utterly conventional in both appearance and construction except for it's remarkable length. I'll say that IF, and only IF...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:12 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

What’s equally confusing is that I’ve read a few different sources for the “outcry” that all seem to be copy/pasted from each other, seemingly originating on one blog with no primary source.. And there’s no actual evidence that the alleged outcry did anything to save the SS Rotterdam. It just seems...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:42 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Here's my easiest (and last) attempted explanation for ArchGuy... Back in the ocean liner days, the ship had equal billing with the destination. For example "I'm taking the Queen Mary to Southampton". Nowadays, in the cruise ship world, it's merely "I'm going to Alaska (Caribbean, et...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:56 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Speaking of ships being dragged ashore, here's a neat video timelapse of the former Danish ferry M/F Broen being beached in late 2020 as part of turning her into a museum to the Great Belt ferries that were replaced by the bridge in 1998. https://vimeo.com/489829327/5feb52eb20 But before someone dr...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:54 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

bennett123 wrote:
It is also 2,750 tons not 70,000 tons.

Plus there is a pandemic and people do not have money sloshing about.

Conversion and restoration work was done on QE2 in Dubai when it was closed from March to October and they really used that time wisely. QE2 is also 70,000 GRT.

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:49 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: The 1915 Canakkale Bridge
Replies: 12
Views: 1398

Re: The 1915 Canakkale Bridge

Ummm... okay? The linked article talks about "unique figures" in the bridge's construction but shows neither photos nor even drawings of same so I guess we'll just have to take their word for it until completion. The towers being painted red is a departure from the white or grey of most s...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:27 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Give up already, those are small ships, relatively easy to beach, try hauling a 260m plus, 80,000 ton plus cruise ship onto land, nobody has ever done that before, it won’t be easy, it’s frankly a very stupid idea. Ships that potentially could be hauled onto land include the MV Funchal and MV Stock...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:08 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

A building does not cost a lot of money to leave empty. It is also less economically viable to strip of parts for reuse in another building. A vessel costs money even when it is not in use. Also, a vessel is made of valuable materials that are easy to recycle. How much does it cost to maintain a sh...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:35 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

A building does not cost a lot of money to leave empty. It is also less economically viable to strip of parts for reuse in another building. A vessel costs money even when it is not in use. Also, a vessel is made of valuable materials that are easy to recycle. How much does it cost to maintain a sh...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:26 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

To add-a building can also become something else. That out of business coffee shop can become a restaurant, or a bakery, or an insurance office, or a daycare etc etc etc A ship is a ship. Outside of being a cruise ship or a hotel, there’s not much room for change. It’s a very limited model. No entr...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:19 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: The 1915 Canakkale Bridge
Replies: 12
Views: 1398

The 1915 Canakkale Bridge

Construction is well underway with the 1915 Canakkale Bridge in Turkey and the towers have surpassed the height of the Eiffel Tower and the bridge is on it's way to becoming the world's longest mid span suspension bridge. The bridge will link Europe and Asia with unique architectural features with t...

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by ArchGuy1
Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:23 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

How much does it cost to maintain a ship placed on dry land like the MV Doulos and MV Lydia? Wrong question. The correct question is...how much money does it cost to put a ship on dry land. Answer...too much. Buildings can be re-leased to someone else. When the entire industry is way over capacity,...

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by ArchGuy1
Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:32 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

ArchGuy1 I think you are failing to take account of the impact of COVID. Th cull has not ended yet. I have not heard of a single building being demolished due to COVID-19, even though a lot of businesses occupying them have gone out of business. A building does not cost a lot of money to leave empt...

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by ArchGuy1
Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:45 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

bennett123 wrote:
ArchGuy1

I think you are failing to take account of the impact of COVID.

Th cull has not ended yet.

I have not heard of a single building being demolished due to COVID-19, even though a lot of businesses occupying them have gone out of business.

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by ArchGuy1
Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:35 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

I went onboard her in 2004, apart from the hull and superstructure most of the interiors have been chopped and changed from when she sailed that there really isn’t much left worth preserving, I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s scrapped. She’s also in a stupid location. Why is the Queen Mary in a stup...

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by ArchGuy1
Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:45 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

I went onboard her in 2004, apart from the hull and superstructure most of the interiors have been chopped and changed from when she sailed that there really isn’t much left worth preserving, I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s scrapped. She’s also in a stupid location. Why is the Queen Mary in a stup...

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by ArchGuy1
Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:38 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Here is a petition to sign to try and save the Queen Mary for further generations and this is a ship that desperately needs restoration. https://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/308/562/351/?taf_id=67100148&cid=fb_na#bbfb=675739135 I went onboard her in 2004, apart from the hull and superstru...

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by ArchGuy1
Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:35 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Well one of those was a train station, so not much common ground there. And for the rest...no, absolutely not. Aside from being a ship, there’s really no common ground. Those ships were individually uniquely designed and outfitted. That’s how they stood out, by being the fastest or most ornate, or ...

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by ArchGuy1
Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:21 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Sure, but look at all the cabins that don't have them. Compare it with this ship, launched just 2 years later: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Voyager_of_the_Seas_in_Sydney.jpg Not only more cabins with balconies, but it also squeezes cabins in at the front of the superstructure...

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by ArchGuy1
Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:44 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Looking at photos of ships from the era, it seems like the ships of the 90s pretty much lacked balconies (or had very few). This makes them rather unattractive in this day and age where external cabins are expected to have one. The number of balconies per ship skyrocketed around the millennium chan...

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by ArchGuy1
Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:05 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Not a great surprise. Several ships of this age and size have already gone to the breakers. Looking at photos of ships from the era, it seems like the ships of the 90s pretty much lacked balconies (or had very few). This makes them rather unattractive in this day and age where external cabins are e...

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by ArchGuy1
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:43 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

The Costa Victoria, built in 1996 will be towed to Turkey for scrap. Thd ship was sold to an Italian shipyard and rumored to become a hotel for drydock workers, but that fell through. Very much a futuristic space age ship that had 20 more years of cruise service life left. https://www.cruiseindustry...

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by ArchGuy1
Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:16 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Snowstorm in Spain
Replies: 6
Views: 763

Snowstorm in Spain

On Saturday, a blizzard buried Spain with large amounts of snow killing at least four people and stranding thousands, cars, train stations, and airports after all services were suspended. Snowfall totals reached 20 inches in Madrid, the most in 50 years. In Madrid, the red alert was activated for th...

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by ArchGuy1
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:54 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: (Famous) Cities / Places / Sights News, Discussion and Questions Thread - 2021
Replies: 17
Views: 2574

Re: (Famous) Cities / Places / Sights News, Discussion and Questions Thread - 2021

How long will it take until the pedestal and crown of the Statue of Liberty will be reopened, considering the rest of the Statue of Liberty National Monument is already open and has been since the summer? I do know that the interior never reopen even when COVID-19 cases were at their lowest in about...

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by ArchGuy1
Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:20 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeact ... =675739135
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Here is a petition to sign to try and save the Queen Mary for further generations and this is a ship that desperately needs restoration.
https://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeact ... =675739135

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by ArchGuy1
Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:58 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: US elections, voter fraud allegations
Replies: 163
Views: 8669

Re: US elections, voter fraud allegations

The US Capitol has been placed on lockdown and two nearby buildings have been evacuated as protestors try to storm the US Capitol Building. Very crazy events taking place now. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwashington.com/news/at-least-two-buildings-near-us-capitol-complex-evacuated-amid-protes...

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by ArchGuy1
Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:17 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24136-it-s-official-the-marco-polo-is-getting-scrapped.html Sad but not surprising to see confirmation that Marco Polo is to be scrapped. Was such a lovely little ship, nothing fancy but had some nice features including teak decks, comfortable lounges ...

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by ArchGuy1
Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:11 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Church Shooting in Texas
Replies: 34
Views: 1732

Church Shooting in Texas

A church shooting in Texas has led to the death of a pastor and two others injured and the suspect was found hiding in a bathroom. The suspect was on the run and ended up at the Starrville Methodist Church in Winona, about 100 miles east of Dallas. On Sunday morning, the man was found holding a red ...

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by ArchGuy1
Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:07 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Average Global Temperature During the Last Glacial Maximum
Replies: 2
Views: 547

Average Global Temperature During the Last Glacial Maximum

Back in August, scientists were able to determine the average global temperature during the Last Glacial Maximum about 20,000 years ago and it was 46 degrees Farenheit. This is about 11 degrees Farenheit colder than the 20th century average of 57 degrees Farenheit and will help scientists understand...

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by ArchGuy1
Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:02 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Archguy1, have you ever been on a cruise ship or even done a virtual tour of a cabin on a cruise line website? The reason that I'm asking is that 95% of the cabins are very small. They are much smaller than hotel rooms. There's nothing romantic about them. They are a motel that moves from port to p...

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by ArchGuy1
Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:02 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

bennett123 wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Mary_2

Agree 100%.

The Queen Mary 2 is a beautiful and unique ship on both the exterior and interior and I find is a modernized hybrid of SS Normandie and QE2.

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by ArchGuy1
Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:13 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

The Tropicale has arrived at Alang, India to be scrapped and the ship entered service in 1982. Tropicale is notable as she was the first Carnival newbuild and a gamechanger for the cruise industry. After leaving the Carnival fleet in 2001, Tropicale sailed for a few operators, most recently Peace Bo...

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by ArchGuy1
Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:20 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

An ocean liner and a cruise ship are not the same thing. If you think of it this way, on an ocean liner you lived for perhaps a week on the ship without getting off. On a cruise ship, you arrive at a port at 0700 say and disembark at say 0800 and spend the day ashore. At 1800 you re embark and leav...

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by ArchGuy1
Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:18 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

An ocean liner and a cruise ship are not the same thing. If you think of it this way, on an ocean liner you lived for perhaps a week on the ship without getting off. On a cruise ship, you arrive at a port at 0700 say and disembark at say 0800 and spend the day ashore. At 1800 you re embark and leav...

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by ArchGuy1
Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:47 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

I think the key here is that Archguy needs to actually go on a cruise to appreciate what the ships are. From the outside/online they appear to be these immense wonders. Which, to a certain extent...they are. But once you've really explored them, you realize that most cruise ships are designed as if...

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by ArchGuy1
Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:27 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

I think the key here is that Archguy needs to actually go on a cruise to appreciate what the ships are. From the outside/online they appear to be these immense wonders. Which, to a certain extent...they are. But once you've really explored them, you realize that most cruise ships are designed as if...

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by ArchGuy1
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:29 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021
Replies: 361
Views: 44501

Re: Cruise Ship/Ocean Liner Thread -2021

Hopefully, the fact that a good number of significant ships like the Sovereign of the Seas, Monarch of the Seas, Karnika, and Satoshi are being scrapped will be a wakeup call to have certain ships preserved rather than scrapped. Kind of like when old Penn Station in New York City was demolished in 1...

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