How cone this one wasn't added yet... 0415172 You are right. ;) Historically, the evolution of Austrian Airlines with their DC-9 and MD-80s will always remain an important part of the history of the MD-80. Austrian became not only one of the first operators of the MD-80 but also became one of the f...
Jump to postAmong the mentioned companies, Finnair, Iberia, Japan Air System and aeromexico comes into my mind too.
Jump to postSo KLM was one of the few airlines (YU being another), which made the step from DC9-15/30 to B737-300/400. It´s also interestingto note that KLM decided to replace their DC-9s with two different types of aircraft: The Boeing 737 and Fokker 100. British Midland comes also in my mind. BD were very pl...
Jump to postSince the official beginning of Meridiana in 1991, the company operated the McDonnell Douglas MD-80. On the last day of October 2017, Meridiana plans to operate their last scheduled MD-80-flight with a service from Rome to Olbia. Meridiana operated up to 17 MD-80s over the years.
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Germany has a [false] reputation for being the land of precise and on-time trains. That is wrong. If you want really precise trains, go to Switzerland I
There’s a highly recommendable book about Lufthansa and its design history from the 60’s until today. It shows the development of the Lufthansa brand design from boarding pass design to aircraft livery and its changes over the years. After reading this it becomes pretty clear how much thought is pu...
Jump to postHopefully, Lufthansa will retain their livery IMO. The Corporate ID is a masterpiece and needs no change.
Jump to postNever heard of LOT ordering MDC aircraft when back in 1989 I saw them with B767s ar ORD. LOT never ordered MDC-aircraft. However, there was some kind of a preliminary agreement for up to six MD-83s, three MD-87s, plus "interest for the MD-11". At least two delivery positions on the MD-80-...
Jump to postAlso IIRC , there was a joint maintenance program between several European operators of the DC10. KLM / SR / SN / SK / AY.... Not sure I've got the airlines 100% but pretty damn close.... Maybe someone can clarify for me...? It was the "KSSU": K = KLM S = SAS S = Swissair U = UTA Finnair ...
Jump to postCorrect me if I am wrong, but it might also have been range related for Finnair. They needed an airplane capable of HEL-TYO. At least, this was the reason for previous DC-10 and I supposed they took the MD-11 for commonality/continuation reason. Also, they were Maddogs operator too. Both airlines e...
Jump to postThat´s what I remember too. Thus, the MD-88-fleet shrunk from 120 to 117 aircraft.
Jump to postca. 1970-1998 in Europe there were the cooperations Atlas (LH, AF, Alitala et al.) and KSSU (KLM, SAS, Swissair & UTA with affiliates Finnair, Austrian) having some influence or initiated: e.g. the B747-300 (KLM, Swissair, UTA) MD-80 (Swissair, KLM, SAS) Maybe more like a "first operator t...
Jump to postYes, in 1991 there were reports about converting some MD-80-options to MD-90s.
Jump to postThe MD-80 was greatly influenced by Swissair and Austrian Airlines. The MD-87 was influenced by Austrian Airlines and Finnair. The MD-90 was heavily influenced by Delta and the MD-95 was sized and shaped for the demands of SAS.
Jump to postI quickly looked into a brochure once published by Aero Lloyd in 1989 and here are the data provided by this defunct company regarding their MD-83/-87s: MD-83: Range with full payload (167 passengers) 4260 Km, range with full fuel tanks + 155 passengers = 4491 Km MD-87: Range with full payload (137 ...
Jump to postEven a 737ER would struggle with that. The DC9 / MD80 / MD90 families really were / are optimized for sub 2000nm sectors. They don't have the space for additional tanks etc to make this work. How was the MD87 able to attain its relatively high max range? IIRC, the MD87 has a greater range over any ...
Jump to postIIRC, Iberia served BOM, KWI, THR, AUH either in the 1970s and/or 1980s.
Jump to postAA737-823 wrote:
So a new 737 might indeed be a bit more efficient, but it's not like the MD-80 is an old gas guzzler like the 727.
Visually, other than the obvious feature of having different engines, the MD-90 has a window between the over-wing exits, the MD-88 does not. That makes them easy to distinguish from a distance. The MD-80 has one window between the over-wing exits. The MD-90 has two windows between these hatches. I...
Jump to postWell the B737-200 and DC9 did not meet Chpt3, so Europe is out. AFAIK only Meridiana has MD80 over here, and they will be gone soon. The potential supply of takers is clearly declining. Bulgarian Air Charter still operates the majority of their flights with MD-82s. However, the MD-80-fleet will pro...
Jump to postblacksoviet wrote:Does the 717 have more range than the DC-9-40?
Why does every other airline refuse to operate this type of aircraft? Does the 738 have lower operating costs? Here is a list of companies who operated MD-90s: Air Aruba Air Malta (operated by Hello) AMC Airlines American Airlines (ex-Reno Air) Aserca Airlines Bangkok Air (operated by Hello) Blue1 ...
Jump to postseat1a wrote:My only complaint is the search boxes. The former pull down menus were so much more functional. My two cents.
Waterbomber wrote:Meridiana's aging fleet is what is keeping them alive, albeit with the never-ending huge losses.
Anyone remember if there was any dissent about dropping the 'DC' prefix to their product portfolio and going with the 'MD' line instead ? Obviously we know why it changed but all that history of Douglas 'DC' commercial airliners, thrown out with the bath water/merger... I´ve never read about any of...
Jump to postDutchy wrote:
Just WOW and the house colors, they still look so modern. Such a beautiful company, down the drain.
planespotter20 wrote:Alitalia is in dire need of a new fleet.
Korean Air took delivery of four of these cute 80-seat aircraft and the (fantastic) livery of Korean Air was introduced with the Fokker F28 Fellowship on March 1, 1984. One of these aircraft was written-off after an accident in 1989. The Fokker F28 augmented the Boeing 727s and MD-80s until twelve 1...
Jump to postIt is also interesting to note that U-Land Airlines became the last new customer for factory-new MD-82s. U-Land Airlines also leased some of their MD-82s to other Asian companies, including Air Philippines, Astro Air, and Pacific Airlines.
Jump to postHi all, As the title reads, which aircraft types have never had a fatal incident? ZKOXA What is a fatal incident? Even without fatalities, Iberia lost an A340 in Equador, while Air France lost an A340 in Canada. IIRC, the Boeing 717 never had a fatal incident (including one Boeing 717, which suffer...
Jump to postwinterlight wrote:Aren't A310s due to be banned from Europe next year anyway?
blacksoviet wrote:Why didn't AA order the MD-87?
The proposed DC-10 Super 61/63 would have been longer compared to the MD-11. IIRC, the length would have been 221 ft (67,4 m). The DC-10 Super 62 was similar to the DC-10-30. Several important DC-10-operators were highly interested in the DC-10 Super 60 series.
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InselMotherFokk - Neither will be used as replacements for the 737-200. The economics are terrible in most of today's applications. But wouldn't these 2 be much more efficient than the 737-200? When will a318 and 737-600 be retired or phased out? "FriscoHeavy" wrote correctly that the gen...
Jump to postWhen Avianca, Air france, TAROM and BA are finished with their airbus babies, will the 737-200 operators be looking to buy them second Hand? They have good short field performance, simlar seating, higher airframe, and greater lift. Isn't this the perfect replacement? It would be (at the first glanc...
Jump to postFlew a lot TSA (Taipei SungShan) to/from KHH (Kaohsiung) in the 90s... ...The fastest on the route were always the Md-82 / Md-83... ...They usually took not 30 seconds longer then 30 mins wheel up to wheel down. They seem to be aggressive and flew HOT. Fast to roll, climb and fast in the air. Due t...
Jump to postwjcandee wrote:If I recall, logo lights were a TWA innovation.
I don´t have reliable data but I´ve once read somewhere that the average weight of a trolley is 20 to 30 Kg´s (reduced to only 15 Kg´s on new designs) while at the same time, a trolley can take a "payload" of up to 100 (!) Kg´s. I think that these numbers are for a "full-size"-tr...
Jump to postInsel Air's p4-MDI is the only Md80 (Md83) that I've ever seen with huskits on the JT8D! I am aware that these aircraft did or do depending on region meet noise regulations, just barely! We always see Hushkits on Gulfstreams, Boeing 727-100/00, 737-200, dc9 and other vintage jets Which operators cu...
Jump to postAre there any plans with LGW (and their Q400s) operated for Airberlin?
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It probably also depends on the specifications selected by an operator. The "SR"- version of the MD-87 was the answer for TDA (later JAS Japan Air System) for usage on rather short runways.
Jump to postRepublic Airlines also flew MD-80s before AA's order. Republic was one of the ten biggest airlines in the US... Yes! Republic Airlines received their first MD-82 in August 1982, thus becoming the first operator of the type (not the first one to order this variant). The MD-82s were configured to sea...
Jump to postOff topic a little bit, just checking my history wasn't PSA the first American carrier to order and operate the MD-80? PSA was the first American carrier to operate the MD-80, followed by Austral (Argentina) and Hawaiian Air IIRC. The first order was probably the intention by Southern Airways to ta...
Jump to post@TrijetsRMissed: Thank you very much for your contribution! My experience as an enthusiast regarding „defending the historical classification of the MD-80“ has similarities with your impressions. I researched many articles and collected many falsehoods and half-truths about this topic and there was ...
Jump to postThe deal between McDonnell Douglas, American Airlines and Pratt & Whitney had a very positive impact on future sales of the MD-80 to many more airlines. 1983 was an important year due to some very important deals signed between some airlines and McDonnell Douglas.
Jump to postckfred wrote:The MD-80 wasn't glamorous...
With American Airlines retireing their MD-80s at a rapid pace,How much longer does Delta plan on keeping their MD-80s which are close to the same age as American's.After the MD-80s get retired is there much demand for them on the second hand market or will they all be scrapped. Generally, I don´t s...
Jump to post737 is a importand plane in the history. Indeed, the Boeing 737 really shaped the history and development of Lufthansa for decades. Thus, the retirement of the Boeing 737 at Lufthansa will close an important chapter in the history of Lufthansa. I always enjoyed my flighst aboard the Boeing 737-200/...
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