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by DiamondFlyer
Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:50 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Control tower in uncontrolled airspace
Replies: 18
Views: 1771

Re: Control tower in uncontrolled airspace

Woodreau wrote:
Fort Worth Spinks used to be a towered field but did not have corresponding class D airspace with it. It was a class G tower

But a few years ago it finally got the class D airspace designation.


Lake City Florida was like this for a while as well, but they then also finally got class D airspace.

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by DiamondFlyer
Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8
Replies: 48
Views: 6139

Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Want to try again, Delta isn't serving XWA at this point, and it remains to be seen if they'll ever go back. With the consolidation of RJ's at Delta Connection, I could see XWA being gone for good. Want to try again, Delta currently has one flight a day to/from XWA. It's bookable right now. Current...

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by DiamondFlyer
Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8
Replies: 48
Views: 6139

Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Delta starts service June 5th to MSP. Some sort of grant or subsidy involved, i believe I see that now, at-risk OO flying, on a 200. Not long for this life, I'm afraid, with the 200's going by 2023. Not necessarily. Pre-pandemic, MSP service was on 170's at one point. Sure, XWA is beholden to trend...

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by DiamondFlyer
Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8
Replies: 48
Views: 6139

Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

RJNUT wrote:
Delta starts service June 5th to MSP. Some sort of grant or subsidy involved, i believe


I see that now, at-risk OO flying, on a 200. Not long for this life, I'm afraid, with the 200's going by 2023.

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by DiamondFlyer
Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8
Replies: 48
Views: 6139

Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

They currently only have 3 flights a day -- UA (2x) & DL (1x). G4 would be my guess, seeing how they already have 4 ND destinations. I could definitely see starting service to LAS and AZA, possibly SFB. Other than that, I don't see it being anyone else. Want to try again, Delta isn't serving XW...

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by DiamondFlyer
Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Private plane goes down in Smyrna Tennessee
Replies: 77
Views: 15932

Re: Private plane goes down in Smyrna Tennessee

For FAA commercial ops, not authorized with limited exception of 135 charter with autopilot. For private ops, no limitations other than aircraft certification. I’m pretty sure, for private operators, there are few countries that require two pilots for IFR with the obvious exception of AFM limitatio...

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by DiamondFlyer
Mon May 31, 2021 3:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Private plane goes down in Smyrna Tennessee
Replies: 77
Views: 15932

Re: Private plane goes down in Smyrna Tennessee

Any reputable recurrent provider is going to require the certificate and current medical to sign off a 61.58 check. Can you be type certified without a current medical? Just trying to understand the technicalities. The FAA practical exam will require a current medical, so no. A type rating doesn’t ...

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by DiamondFlyer
Wed May 26, 2021 6:45 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Texas to allow unlicensed carrying of handguns
Replies: 234
Views: 12417

Re: Texas to allow unlicensed carrying of handguns

The funny thing is, the anti-gunners want to talk about "common sense" regulations to do something, every time there is a mass shooting. And their solution is always some sort of Assault Weapons ban. However, if they want to have a serious discussion about "common sense" regulati...

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by DiamondFlyer
Tue May 25, 2021 12:35 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: How common is significant over fueling?
Replies: 15
Views: 2995

Re: How common is significant over fueling?

It's not too uncommon on a CRJ these days. A couple hundred pounds of extra fuel, it's always quicker to just go burn it than it is to get the defuel equipment out. Even 1500 lbs, it's generally quicker to burn it holding on the ground over defueling.

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by DiamondFlyer
Mon May 24, 2021 2:42 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Extension of the Midwestern segment of I-88 to Kansas City and Binghamton
Replies: 15
Views: 2294

Re: Extension of the Midwestern segment of I-88 to Kansas City and Binghamton

Buses aren’t replacing cars on these routes, neither will trains. Let me ask this question - Do you actually have to commute during rush hour through a major city? The roads can't handle more Suburbans and F350's - and the congestion is certainly coming back after the virus. And who commutes from K...

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by DiamondFlyer
Sun May 23, 2021 9:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Envoy (MQ) warned by FAA over "potential lack of airmanship"
Replies: 61
Views: 13514

Re: Envoy (MQ) warned by FAA over "potential lack of airmanship"

I wonder how much seniority based captain upgrades to captain versus merit and ability upgrades factor in to some of these situations. When a captain upgrade class goes through, you arent necessarily getting the best and brightest available going first. You are getting whoever was hired first. It o...

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by DiamondFlyer
Wed May 19, 2021 10:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Envoy (MQ) warned by FAA over "potential lack of airmanship"
Replies: 61
Views: 13514

Re: Envoy (MQ) warned by FAA over "potential lack of airmanship"

The only reason Envoy is being singled out is because this internal letter was leaked to the media. As others have said, MQ hasn’t been the only airline to go off-roading recently, nor is it the only regional to get a warning from the FAA. I can think of 2 others that received restrictions from the...

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by DiamondFlyer
Sat May 08, 2021 12:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 219
Views: 23611

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2021

The second daily MSP flight has been pushed back until July. They had been toying around with the idea to get rid of all the -200s from SBN but it may take longer as in the near future the noon ATL turn goes to a -200 unfortunately. The morning flights will be all -900s in June. Skywest will operat...

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by DiamondFlyer
Tue May 04, 2021 7:54 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Amtrak turns 50
Replies: 26
Views: 2418

Re: Amtrak turns 50

They serve a much greater percentage of the population and there is a demand for them. I cannot count the number of times I've used a federally funded highway this year but I can tell you how many Amtrak trains I've been on. I don't get why you care about profitability for Amtrak. Amtrak has a stea...

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by DiamondFlyer
Tue May 04, 2021 4:30 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Amtrak turns 50
Replies: 26
Views: 2418

Re: Amtrak turns 50

Hope they can make America's passenger train system like what it was 100 years ago. Steam powered? :) Wouldn't steam power be kinder to the environment, or, would it be worse ?? No, steam locomotives were able to convert roughly 10% of the energy produced into tractive effort. Diesel electrics can ...

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by DiamondFlyer
Tue May 04, 2021 3:27 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Amtrak turns 50
Replies: 26
Views: 2418

Re: Amtrak turns 50

Bostrom wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
Hope they can make America's passenger train system like what it was 100 years ago.


Steam powered? :)


They would be faster... NYC & PRR routinely ran faster 80 years ago with steam equipment than Amtrak does today...

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by DiamondFlyer
Sat May 01, 2021 3:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW Concourse C update?
Replies: 15
Views: 3009

Re: DTW Concourse C update?

Last time I flew into DTW I saw Delta agents working gates on the odd side of B as opposed to DGS. E170/175s have also found there way over there. Wonder if it's part of a broader plan. That was more of a product of DGS simply being unable to staff what they needed to. So moving some mainline emplo...

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by DiamondFlyer
Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country New Destinations 4/27
Replies: 32
Views: 5531

Re: Sun Country New Destinations 4/27

I think DLH and RST might be fine. This saves passengers driving to MSP. I'm assuming SY had some data on where they were coming from and this might stimulate even more demand. RSW's #1 destination by number of departures in Feb/Mar is MSP. All other airports in Florida, it's ATL. That tells you so...

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by DiamondFlyer
Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver Air Connection wins EAS away from Skywest for PIR and ATY
Replies: 98
Views: 11086

Re: Denver Air Connection wins EAS away from Skywest for PIR and ATY

Look I have no dog in this fight but this is incredibly disingenuous. The article you linked is over 14 years old now. Take it for what it is worth but according to Wikipedia, Key Lime has only had 3 incidents in the past 14 years. Yes that is still high for their size operation but read what cause...

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by DiamondFlyer
Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 1432
Views: 309906

Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Supposedly at least 6...to fully replace their super-aging DC-9 fleet. Like you said, unclear if all 9 are going to be converted or if any are going to be parts/engine donors. I believe it's only 6, but you never know what's actually going to happen. When USAJet got their first MD83 freighter, it w...

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by DiamondFlyer
Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:55 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Derek Chauvin Trial Underway
Replies: 346
Views: 25106

Re: Derek Chauvin Trial Underway

The Twin Cities region is going into a curfew at 7 PM this evening. What an absolute mess this is. As I said upthread, the only (small) good thing is that the weather here is so miserable: sleet, with snow in the forecast for tomorrow. A week ago today, it was 85 and sunny. If it was that nice now,...

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by DiamondFlyer
Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 792
Views: 99381

Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Here is the current snapshot of DCI CR2 flying at DTW: Endeavor 36 CRJ2 36 ABE 3 (historically always been 50 seaters, but could easily go CR7/9) (DC-9s going back further) ATW 3 (has seen CR9 and even 717 in the past) AZO 3 (has seen a mix of CR9s in the past) (DC-9s going back further) BGM 1 (his...

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by DiamondFlyer
Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 792
Views: 99381

Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Okay come on enough with the doom and gloom. DL is downsizing all of their hubs in the wake of the pandemic. ATL/MSP/JFK/LGA/LAX have all lost plenty of flights and LGA/LAX are way behind DTW in frequencies. When demand returns, DL will bring flights back. Sure ATL/MSP/SLC have fared a bit better r...

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by DiamondFlyer
Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 792
Views: 99381

Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

Apparently you've confused "busy" with distance. If you're in the back of an arriving plane you will burn at least 10-15 minutes just to get to the jetway and start walking. Then you are a mile from your gates from one end of A to the other, to say nothing of the fact that you might need ...

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by DiamondFlyer
Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1502
Views: 293276

Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

I noticed Skywest is running some CR9's out of PHX at the moment. Is this to make up for CR7's being down or is this new lift? Right now I see N896SK and N898SK operating flights. Are these in Skywest house paint? IIRC, it's a short term stop gap to cover for CR7's. I'd assume they're in house pain...

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by DiamondFlyer
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:41 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: AmeriFlight Fleet PNW
Replies: 11
Views: 1701

Re: AmeriFlight Fleet PNW

AmeriFlight is one of the cargo feeder companies in the Pacific Northwest. They use different aircraft but mostly Beech 99s They are a hearty bird but how much longer will they be able to go and what would their replacement be? Ameriflight is hardly the only 99 operator for UPS. A number of carrier...

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by DiamondFlyer
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:40 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: AmeriFlight Fleet PNW
Replies: 11
Views: 1701

Re: AmeriFlight Fleet PNW

No pressurization cycles on the 99. Utilization is reasonable...a few hours per night. PT6 work is either done in house or farmed out in bulk. It will take something bad like a spar issue or a end to spares support to sundown them, IMO. IIRC, they were building and putting new spars in the 99s alre...

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by DiamondFlyer
Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 1432
Views: 309906

Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

MO11 wrote:
MO11 wrote:
MO11 wrote:
913, 978, and 9012 sold to USA Jet on Wednesday, presumably for their fine parts.


And one more yesterday, 972.



And a fifth one now, N969DL was sold to USA Jet on March 12.


They're not for parts, they're being converted to freighters, to replace the DC-9 fleet they currently operate.

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by DiamondFlyer
Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2020-21 Less popular NCAA Sports Charters (Women's Basketball, Men's and women's Lacrosse, Men's and Women's Soccer
Replies: 33
Views: 4302

Re: 2020-21 Less popular NCAA Sports Charters (Women's Basketball, Men's and women's Lacrosse, Men's and Women's Soccer

Looks like 3 of the 5 teams that flew in for the Women's Hockey tournament have exit plans...all on Endeavor Boston College (CM8?) https://flightaware.com/live/flight/EDV5587/history/20210319/1410Z/KERI/KBOS Minnesota Duluth https://flightaware.com/live/flight/EDV5585/history/20210319/1410Z/KERI/KD...

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by DiamondFlyer
Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US threatens to suspend CX flights
Replies: 64
Views: 14631

Re: US threatens to suspend CX flights

Why aren't pilots flying international routes given a high priority for COVID-19 vaccinations? Due to their mobility around the world I would think they would be a high priority to get vaccinated in order prevent spread of emergent variants. They are, I think over half of the crew in HKG have regis...

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by DiamondFlyer
Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 219
Views: 23611

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2021

With Delta going to 76-seaters now on SBN-ATL as they had planned to pre-pandemic and with Delta phasing out 50-seaters do you think that they would also offer the 76-seaters for the 4 DTW flights? DTW-FWA isn't a Delta CPA flight, it's Skywest at-risk, and to my knowledge, they don't do 76 seat at...

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by DiamondFlyer
Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 219
Views: 23611

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2021

With what airplanes? Delta has made it clear the 50 seaters are dead for their operation. With Delta going to 76-seaters now on SBN-ATL as they had planned to pre-pandemic and with Delta phasing out 50-seaters do you think that they would also offer the 76-seaters for the 4 DTW flights? DTW-FWA isn...

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by DiamondFlyer
Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 219
Views: 23611

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2021

Do any of you see a return of limited airline service to Terre Haute (Hulman Field, HUF)? I would be highly suspect. When the Great Lakes HUF-LAF-ORD service ended in 1998 the boarding sat HUF were 5-6 pax at most. The majority of the hoardings were at LAF. IND is only an hour drive. To be fair, th...

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by DiamondFlyer
Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021
Replies: 2416
Views: 345985

Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Be sure we're differentiating between AmeriJET and AmeriFLIGHT, because my brain saw AmeriJET when I first read this question. Ah yes, I goofed. It would be interesting to delve deeper into the small freighter market especially with planned expansion, attrition and retirement of aircraft. Those Bee...

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by DiamondFlyer
Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1502
Views: 293276

Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

It will be interesting to see if AAG (American Airlines Group) can get their hands on more 170s cheaply, there seem to be a number parked or in use all over the world, including in the hands of OneWorld partners like JAL. SkyWest has done a rather extraordinary job locking up the world's supply of ...

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by DiamondFlyer
Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CRJ900 N840SK - The last CRJ produced
Replies: 101
Views: 18204

Re: CRJ900 N840SK - The last CRJ produced

marcogr12 wrote:
Why did the CRJ1000 never catch on like the CR9 did?


Too little too late. Scope clause in the US didn't really give it a business case in the US, not to mention a different type rating.

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by DiamondFlyer
Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 219
Views: 23611

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2021

It looks like FWA and SBN are all CRJ-900. EVV is a mix of CRJ-200 and -900s. Which is surprising because pre-pandemic EVV was the only one of the three that had Delta mainline service. One of the SBN morning flights to ATL Pre-pandemic was planeed for a mainline 717. In order to start that full ti...

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by DiamondFlyer
Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1502
Views: 293276

Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Being capped to 65 seats is scope related but adding an additional 6 E170s to MQ while giving the six E175s to YX doesn't seem to make much sense - why not just contract with YX for 22 E170s (YX is adding 16 E170s, not 6)? YX already was pulling down 22 planes from the DL side. I think there is mor...

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by DiamondFlyer
Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CRJ900 N840SK - The last CRJ produced
Replies: 101
Views: 18204

Re: N840SK the last crj900

Perhaps you can elucidate us because the E175-E1 "it’s not better across the board" No question, scope restricted 76 E175 is one of the most comfortable coach seats in any airplane. It depends on the actual seat of course, but most people prefer it to a packed 737 or 320. For myself, ridi...

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by DiamondFlyer
Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 792
Views: 99381

Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

admluvs2fly wrote:
I understand that USA JET at YIP transport auto parts . At least they used to. Tonight I noticed a couple of DTW to YIP. Is that to clear customs ?


YIP has customs, but its not 24/7. It was not uncommon to clear customs at DTW in my time at USAJet, if for some reason it wasn't available at YIP.

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by DiamondFlyer
Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:39 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Oshkosh wins USPS Next Generation Delivery Vehicle Contract
Replies: 36
Views: 2539

Re: Oshkosh wins USPS Next Generation Delivery Vehicle Contract

Maybe these can be used to repel a Soviet invasion ? Or Nazis from the other side of the Moon ? Dumb question but from what I see in the US (on TV, or when I visit), there are often cars parked on the streets, so how does that work to deliver mail without stepping off the vehicle ? Here in my Frenc...

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by DiamondFlyer
Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 219
Views: 23611

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2021

Looks like Delta has high hopes for a traffic rebound by April as finally they will resume SBN-MSP flights. DL MSP-SBN APR 1.0>0.6[1.6] Delta just removed the flight again. Not surprising, consider the number of CR2's that have left the network in the last 6 months. I'd be shocked if it ever comes ...

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by DiamondFlyer
Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FedEx and Sikorsky: Beginning Trial on Single Pilot Ops for Cargo
Replies: 108
Views: 12267

Re: FedEx and Sikorsky: Beginning Trial on Single Pilot Ops for Cargo

UPS feeders in DEN operate with single pilots using Metro twin's. Outside of being a heavier ATR, is there really that much of a difference? Hmmm...And that would be Key Lime Air. Here's some interesting info about the Metroliners... https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/35471/does-the-fairc...

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by DiamondFlyer
Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:05 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: When did GPS become mainstream in commercial aviation?
Replies: 40
Views: 2940

Re: When did GPS become mainstream in commercial aviation?

There's nothing illegal about using a VFR GPS for VFR flight or as a backup for IFR flight. It is illegal to use a VFR or portable GPS for IFR flight, or as a backup for IFR flight. All they can be used for is an aid to situational awareness. I have seen 727s and 747 classics flying direct to waypo...

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by DiamondFlyer
Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CRJ-200 being retired
Replies: 54
Views: 11703

Re: CRJ-200 being retired

I doubt any will be converted. I was shocked how little a used Challenger 600 goes for: https://www.libertyjet.com/private_jets_for_sale/Bombardier/Challenger%20600 Less than a million usd. Challenger 604? $2.5M to $4.3M The 650 will cost more, but there are plenty for sale (8). These are worth a b...

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by DiamondFlyer
Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CRJ-200 being retired
Replies: 54
Views: 11703

Re: CRJ-200 being retired

It appears the recent (2020) Delta Connection reductions have been with Skywest. Some retired last year, others were re-assigned to United Express service and a few others are being flown by Skywest "at risk". As for Endeavor, I think those retirements will start happening gradually this ...

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by DiamondFlyer
Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CRJ-200 being retired
Replies: 54
Views: 11703

Re: CRJ-200 being retired

Could someone please explain to me how such a one-time darling of the airline world could fall so out of favor so quickly? Did the business landscape for the airlines change so drastically that no one saw it coming OR were the airlines bad at communicating with the public about the virtues of propj...

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by DiamondFlyer
Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 792
Views: 99381

Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

It would be nice if DL could convince their pilots to change their contracts to be more friendly towards EAS CR2 flying. It's not like serving Massena twice daily is going to end up cutting 717 block hours in any meaningful form. For a lot of Upstate NY, PA, and WV markets, DTW would make equal sen...

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by DiamondFlyer
Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 792
Views: 99381

Re: DTW Detroit Aviation Thread - 2021

In all seriousness, I do think DTW is slightly overbuilt for the amount of flights it serves (even in normal times). Why did they build McNamara so big? When built there were still turboprops. Lots of small aircraft going to lots of smaller airports. That's all gone. That's what Concourse C was abo...

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by DiamondFlyer
Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPS fleet
Replies: 178
Views: 52002

Re: UPS fleet

First A300 with updated Honeywell LCD displays, FMS, FANS, and radars Why does it need new fans? I thought it had air-conditioning? Is this to make it "greener"? Wouldn't the pilots complain that it's less-comfortable? Where is the union on all of this? Fans...seriously? I'd assume FANS i...

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