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by wernerga3
Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:02 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery
Replies: 229
Views: 61179

Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

The mixture of the blue and light gray seats in Y Class was typical on American during the 80s. By the early 90s, even the late 80s, most aircraft if not all aircraft on American had an all blue upholstery in Y Class. First time I flew on a 757 with American was in 1990 when the airplane was all ne...

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by wernerga3
Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:55 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery
Replies: 229
Views: 61179

Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

More images I've stumbled across online: 747SP First/Business Class(es?): https://i.pinimg.com/474x/a0/50/fe/a050fe7e4038df05eee23598a1c2b399.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/474x/e7/36/c1/e736c13b0cfcf9f65c2a10f6239c486e.jpg 747SP coach class: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3b/36/31/3b3631aec12e24b16204a2...

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by wernerga3
Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:25 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery
Replies: 229
Views: 61179

Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

If the date in this video is correct, it looks like the MD-82s did have the mixed upholstery in 1990. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi3HyrKTBQg (0:30 - 0:44, 1:13 - 1:33 are just 2 time stamp ranges that show the cabin, there are a few more ) EDIT: 7:58 - 8:11 show the inside of the 767-223 (non-...

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by wernerga3
Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:05 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery
Replies: 229
Views: 61179

Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

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I came across this photo of one of the original AA 757 cabins from the late 80s. If this had the 2 tone, it seems clear the 767 did as well 5 years earlier.

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by wernerga3
Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:42 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery
Replies: 229
Views: 61179

Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Not sure what happened here. I posted a very long post with an update and it literally disappeared the next day. Are moderators randomly deleting posts now?

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by wernerga3
Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 377 Cabin question
Replies: 53
Views: 12737

Re: Boeing 377 Cabin question

debauchery debaucherous “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” – Inigo Montoya [emoji1] I suppose there might have been more opportunity for shenanigans in a sleeper berth than a regular seat, but I don't think that's what you're really intending to refer to. V...

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by wernerga3
Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?
Replies: 24
Views: 5055

Re: Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?

https://corporate.airfrance.com/fr/le-concorde This site shows F-WTSB in the livery. https://www.heritageconcorde.com/concorde-livery And this site says F-WTSA was the two sided demonstrator. So maybe a few wore the livery before it entered commercial service? Good info, I remember looking into it ...

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by wernerga3
Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 377 Cabin question
Replies: 53
Views: 12737

Re: Boeing 377 Cabin question

No one has a definitive answer about the initial berths?

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by wernerga3
Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

No one has a definitive answer about the initial astroliner upper deck?

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by wernerga3
Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?
Replies: 24
Views: 5055

Re: Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?

The only changes to the AF Concorde livery over the years was a change in the font of “Air France” on the fuselage, and the Hippocampe was removed from the sides by the nose, replaced with small titles “Groupe Air France.” The SkyTeam logo appeared by the entry door, and it never wore any Air Franc...

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by wernerga3
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

I did end up buying the brochure which has the AA state room photo. It actually wasn't the same brochure as the earlier one I posted. It was called "4 million tickets sold in 9 months" by Boeing and is a slightly later brochure. When it arrives I'll look at the date

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by wernerga3
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?
Replies: 24
Views: 5055

Re: Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?

As said, I also think only F-BTSC wore this livery on both sides and there was the AF/BA livery demonstrator sales model. Yes it's different judging the old pin stripe livery next to the eurowhite nearly 50 years after it's inception. But trying to see it as sleek new concept with 'wow' factor buil...

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by wernerga3
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 377 Cabin question
Replies: 53
Views: 12737

Re: Boeing 377 Cabin question

This also States it was a single upper berth https://i.imgur.com/bQH6dwe.jpg Here are some early rare photos. The main differentiator is the blue seats on the bottom. All sleeperettes were beige https://i.imgur.com/P7TjXaP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/JbrCBsb.png https://i.imgur.com/zzdkVGj.jpg Notice th...

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by wernerga3
Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 377 Cabin question
Replies: 53
Views: 12737

Re: Boeing 377 Cabin question

So I have to reneg on my previous finding. The upper berth only slept 1. I think the reason they converted to sleeperettes so quickly is because of how cumbersome the initial setup was. You technically couldn't fill all the seats if it was a sleeper flight since for every pair of 4, you could only s...

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by wernerga3
Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

Did one of these first AA 747's fly from JFK to DFW as well ? I recall being on one but cannot remember if the year was 1970 or 1971 ? Probably even with the state rooms! https://s1.nyt.com/timesmachine/pages/1/1971/01/05/83444572_360W.png?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale

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by wernerga3
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

The postcard text when referring to the Luxuryliner zone B tables includes the phrase "or hold a business meeting". Perhaps a marketing replacement for the absence of the Astroliner stateroom? The text also refers to the "redecorated first class lounge", validating that somethin...

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by wernerga3
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?
Replies: 24
Views: 5055

Re: Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?

As said, I also think only F-BTSC wore this livery on both sides and there was the AF/BA livery demonstrator sales model. Yes it's different judging the old pin stripe livery next to the eurowhite nearly 50 years after it's inception. But trying to see it as sleek new concept with 'wow' factor buil...

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by wernerga3
Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

Thanks for re-posting those images. Seems AA was, understandably experimenting with their first factory fresh Astroliners. The fact that they had the PA upper deck configuration on the safety cards and not the stateroom config. is noteworthy. Seems they weren't fully on board with the stateroom pla...

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by wernerga3
Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

This is the Boeing upper deck which was used on only a few such as jal and air Canada. Pan am originally had it in the pre production interior when it went to the Paris air show. It sat 14 instead of 16.

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by wernerga3
Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?
Replies: 24
Views: 5055

Re: Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?

The “barcode” livery actually represents the French flag in supersonic motion. It was launched on the Concorde from day one of passenger flights in 1976, then spread fleet-wide. By the way, I too liked the old stylish bird on the 707 and 727. On the 747 it was different. That is really cool. Thanks...

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by wernerga3
Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

I can't seem to access the images of the paa upper deck. Was it the one with the semi-circular couch, or the standard "Boeing 747" generic upper deck lounge setup? Sorry the links died. Let me try again: and it was the paa one with the semi circular couch (fun fact: paa introduced that co...

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by wernerga3
Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?
Replies: 24
Views: 5055

Re: Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?

So digging into the site I listed above it looks like it may only have been F-BTSC (which eventually was the airframe that crashed at Paris) may have been the only one to wear that livery. She was used for route proving and then was leased to AF until their machines arrived, presumably in the Conco...

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by wernerga3
Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

Although not a "early 747" I do have a picture of AA747sp business class. I just cant figure out how to upload it to my post. Pictures of AA747sp cabin are pretty much non existant. I have actually seen the three promotional photos of coach biz and first for the 747sp. And interestingly e...

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by wernerga3
Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?
Replies: 24
Views: 5055

Did the air France Concorde fly in the original livery?

Been wondering, did the air France Concorde ever fly In the original livery or was it flying in the updated livery by the time it entered service? https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/86NuEHr7l-pmL02KmIuRKYtrmm6WjqJOmRdl46Prbgy30JUpoM8Tb2_Ri_Mx1i6of20uC3EiXoVSCH5ZbinXdIdrUVPIO23OfgAOq0llrfwBMgUV ...

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by wernerga3
Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

This confirms that the initial AA upper deck when they leased the paa plane was the paa upper deck. https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0517/17/american-airlines-747-astroliner_1_40c7c032c5bf3d777bbbfa0d9305134e.jpg https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images2/1/0517/17/american-airlines-747-...

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by wernerga3
Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

And here is that rare seat map with the coach lounge, when the luxury liner was established in 1971. This came from a training manual that a retired FA had. Not sure they ever posted this seat map anywhere from what I could tell. The next version I could find was when they removed the coach lounge i...

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by wernerga3
Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

I so respect your tenacity wernerga3 with all of your research on this topic. You have unearthed previously hidden data regarding the Astroliner staterooms. As much as I have been interested in topics such as these I never knew about this initial AA 747 configuration. Being that all of the airlines...

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by wernerga3
Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

So to bring this back on topic, does anyone know the definitive answer about the upper deck?

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by wernerga3
Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:15 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery
Replies: 229
Views: 61179

Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

AA once had two 777 configurations: -The Pacific configuration that had the "Coffin" flat bed F seats, Exit signage in Japanese, and a larger J cabin IIRC -The Atlantic configuration had the Flagship swivel seats and a smaller J cabin (I may be getting this mixed up, but I know one had a ...

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by wernerga3
Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

https://i.imgur.com/Y9Pehkm.jpg This is a rare photo of the American leased paa first class cabin. You can tell from the seat type and the blue wall closet. They just added red headrest covers. I know I've seen a photo of the American leased paa coach cabin in a press photo that was ultra generic l...

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by wernerga3
Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:44 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery
Replies: 229
Views: 61179

Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Do any pictures exist of the A300 cabin with PTVs? I’ve never seen them. Also, I thought I read a long long time ago that a few of the newest 763s had PTVs for a short while, though they were removed shortly after. Is this accurate? Found this one from the press. Nothing I could find from AA. https...

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by wernerga3
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:53 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery
Replies: 229
Views: 61179

Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

I checked out as FO for AA on the 762 in late 1985. The oldest would have been a mere 2-3 years old and we only had a dozen or so straight 200s, no ERs and well before the entrance of the 300ER. The first class I remember had the first class barber chair, one all by itself in the middle with two ro...

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by wernerga3
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:47 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery
Replies: 229
Views: 61179

Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Do any pictures exist of the A300 cabin with PTVs? I’ve never seen them. Also, I thought I read a long long time ago that a few of the newest 763s had PTVs for a short while, though they were removed shortly after. Is this accurate? The newest batch of 763s (delivered around 2003) came with the the...

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by wernerga3
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

https://i.imgur.com/Y9Pehkm.jpg This is a rare photo of the American leased paa first class cabin. You can tell from the seat type and the blue wall closet. They just added red headrest covers. I know I've seen a photo of the American leased paa coach cabin in a press photo that was ultra generic l...

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by wernerga3
Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

https://www.flickr.com/photos/vulcan/94720865/sizes/l/
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This is the same model at the cr smith museum and it has the state rooms!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/vulcan/94720865/sizes/l/

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by wernerga3
Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra24w808NYA Here's an amazing video from when they did a fa training on the new luxury liner. Probably in 1971 some time. This video has the piano lounge and of course the updated upper deck. I've seen this seating chart before but it is very hard to find with the co...

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by wernerga3
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

Okay update time: I got some photos from that guy who is restoring the model (special thanks to stratroliner at diecast aircraft forum) It is an original model from their launch of the astroliner after taking initial delivery. The upper deck had two state rooms (one on each side) which had a bench o...

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by wernerga3
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

https://i.imgur.com/Y9Pehkm.jpg This is a rare photo of the American leased paa first class cabin. You can tell from the seat type and the blue wall closet. They just added red headrest covers. I know I've seen a photo of the American leased paa coach cabin in a press photo that was ultra generic l...

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by wernerga3
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

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More of the coach lounge. Not sure what that blue thing is

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by wernerga3
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

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so you must have been on one of the first luxuryliners with the coach lounge since you say it was a bar and not the piano. Very cool!

Now if we could just figure out the astroliner upper deck..

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by wernerga3
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

There's a guy restoring a 1/24 1970 AA 747 astroliner and it has the upper deck stateroom!!! I requested some close up photos of it, and it appears that there was a room on the right side with the bench and swivel chairs, and then there were swivel chairs outside the room. Very similar to how delta ...

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by wernerga3
Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:22 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery
Replies: 229
Views: 61179

Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

With only have 56K dial up back in the 1990s, AA's interiors were difficult to track. Here's what I'm thinking for certain aircraft types: 4. A300: A few of the Airbuses got PTVs as they were allocated to LHR flights from the East Coast and them subsequently removed. The rest of the fleet got newer...

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by wernerga3
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:55 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery
Replies: 229
Views: 61179

Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

https://i.imgur.com/dpPxhVd.jpg Okay I believe this photo is from 1984. It is a DC10 and it was right after they redesigned the cabin during the intro of the IFS. The coach seat fabric remained the same (blue and beige alternates), but the seat frame got very narrow. My guess is since the 767 was i...

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by wernerga3
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:38 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Anyone know which cabin this is supposed to be?
Replies: 14
Views: 3107

Re: Anyone know which cabin this is supposed to be?

I'm going to guess that this was some sort of AA set that they concocted out of old 747 wall panels and dc10 seats. Because it looks to be identical to the set used for home alone and home alone 2 which I know AA helped film with their fake set.

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by wernerga3
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

Nice catch on the phrase upper deck stateroom, The Captain's Deck. While the accompanying map in that brochure does show the Pan Am seat map (main deck galley units for PA vs. lower galleys for AA), I'm sure we can eliminate any possibility that the PA 747-121s had that "private stateroom"...

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by wernerga3
Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

It appears as if AA continued to call their own 747s Astroliners upon initial delivery. AA must have installed the couch lounge and more familiar upper deck lounge and renamed the 747s Luxuryliners shortly after delivery? DC-10s were Astroliners.... The AA dc10 was introduced as a luxury liner alon...

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by wernerga3
Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

Don't forget that there was an upper deck bathroom for first class as well. So there were three technically. Here is another early seat map from 1969 which was their original plan before they leased from paa. It had a lot more seats in the center of the b zone and no first class in the c zone. It al...

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by wernerga3
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra24w808NYA Here's an amazing video from when they did a fa training on the new luxury liner. Probably in 1971 some time. This video has the piano lounge and of course the updated upper deck. I've seen this seating chart before but it is very hard to find with the coa...

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by wernerga3
Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

I wonder what the “do not sell” seats on the -121 were all about. They were sort of lounge seats in the front of first class. Could be used for dining like the rest of the central swivel chair tables. https://i.imgur.com/1g5OlTb.jpg https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,f...

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by wernerga3
Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA early 747 question
Replies: 78
Views: 11205

Re: AA early 747 question

The first seat map that you show appears to be a PA configuration with the extra galleys on the main deck and six lavatories aft. The second seat map has two lavatories next to the stairs+four lavatories aft which match the 1976 map. I wish I could answer your penthouse question. DL had it on the p...

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