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by ClassicLover
Sun May 29, 2022 8:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky
Replies: 223
Views: 31049

Re: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky

I would also add that there is every reason to disbelieve the rubbish being sprouted by DAA PR. DAA have been misleading the travelling public about queue times for weeks. A safer bet would be to assume that every statement from DAA is BS and then work back from there. Pardon my cynicism, but my vi...

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by ClassicLover
Sun May 29, 2022 7:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky
Replies: 223
Views: 31049

Re: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky

I'm sorry, but are you seriously portraying that " most people " in Ireland are so stupid not to know that there are three other airports within 2.5 hours drive from Dublin.....indeed 5 if you include BFS and BHD, which are even closer....and they need social media to be informed of this?...

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by ClassicLover
Sun May 29, 2022 12:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky
Replies: 223
Views: 31049

Re: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky

That was my Reg to BOJ for nearly 4 hours last week . The Ex Iberia . I figured from some of the notices in Spanish. Sorry to hear you had four hours in those seats! The forward toilet sink and mirror - shockers too. The bottom of the mirror is sort of broken/worn away and the sink has a badly crac...

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by ClassicLover
Sun May 29, 2022 12:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky
Replies: 223
Views: 31049

Re: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky

Flew LHR-DUB last night on EI179. First time at the LHR T2 lounge for quite some time, and it's the same as it always was, though a couple of pieces of furniture (the cloth green seats) need re-covering as they look dirty just through age. Food was cream of chicken soup, or you could have things lik...

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by ClassicLover
Wed May 25, 2022 3:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky
Replies: 223
Views: 31049

Re: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky

For my last trip I had my friend lend their car to me and put me on their insurance for a weekend as I was looking at a €400 rental for less than 48 hours for the smallest class of car. Next time I'll be taking bus and train despite the public transport options from the airport being very poor and ...

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by ClassicLover
Mon May 23, 2022 7:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG orders 50 737 MAX + 100 options
Replies: 118
Views: 24677

Re: IAG orders 50 737 MAX + 100 options

I'm going to speculate that most of these are going to Gatwick as some form of a BA branded fleet, but separate to mainline completely. I could see that as well, perhaps a BA equivalent to IB Express. That would also make sense with the -8200 order. To be honest I think the last thing IAG need righ...

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by ClassicLover
Sat May 21, 2022 7:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky
Replies: 223
Views: 31049

Re: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky

This evening I flew out of T2 and can only describe it as filthy. The security area had used masks & other litter all over the floor. Tumbleweeds of dust in corners and empty plastic water bottles strewn on the floors. Actually, I noticed this in T2 when I went through last Friday. There were h...

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by ClassicLover
Sat May 21, 2022 7:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Braniff International 1982 - 2022
Replies: 91
Views: 9718

Re: Braniff International 1982 - 2022

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-polit ... aniff/amp/


That's a great read!

Different times, that's for sure. I don't think I would have coped with a manager who was like that. Terrible!
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TexasAirCorp wrote:
There’s also a really good article in Texas Monthly that’s still online: https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-polit ... aniff/amp/


That's a great read!

Different times, that's for sure. I don't think I would have coped with a manager who was like that. Terrible!

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by ClassicLover
Wed May 18, 2022 4:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA aircraft logos - capitalization
Replies: 8
Views: 2253

Re: BA aircraft logos - capitalization

I came across a highlighted a.net photo 6867787 and it struck me that the lettering had a small "a" in airways, where I probably always saw it as "Airways". Asking the collective braintrust of a.net - was there ever a kerfuffle about this :-) Frankly in the age of computer word ...

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by ClassicLover
Tue May 17, 2022 4:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky
Replies: 223
Views: 31049

Re: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky

OA260 wrote:
No salads or wraps at LHR so slightly sub standard catering options . I found there to be plenty of plug sockets a few weeks back .

They are between the seats :


Perhaps London had them first then :)

Thanks for that!

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by ClassicLover
Tue May 17, 2022 8:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2022
Replies: 456
Views: 72657

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2022

Anyone know if QF is paying for the part out and keeping for operational spares, or have they sold the aircraft to a scrapper? Usually they would keep everything they could for spares, then scrap the airframe. With 10 in the fleet, there is no reason whatsoever to be scrapping perfectly good parts ...

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by ClassicLover
Mon May 16, 2022 3:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky
Replies: 223
Views: 31049

Re: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky

Out of curiosity, how does the experience in Dublin compare to the lounge at LHR? They're on par, really. Not much different at all... which is good, because they should be similar. It would be pretty bad if one was vastly better than the other. Though I don't think LHR was ever renovated to add mo...

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by ClassicLover
Mon May 16, 2022 10:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky
Replies: 223
Views: 31049

Re: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky

The last time I was there (March) the only hot food on offer around 9am was white pudding… In my book that’s pitiful I would have been happy with that as I like white pudding :) But yeah, sounds like the breakfast food had run out and not been replenished, which maybe it wasn't going to be. 9am is ...

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by ClassicLover
Fri May 13, 2022 8:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky
Replies: 223
Views: 31049

Re: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky

EI return to LAX today for the first time since the pandemic started. Hopefully they can make a success of the route - connections on both ends will likely be important Website says the lounge has also changed to Oneworld TBIT. Think its operated by Qantas. Great if that’s the case. It’s a fantasti...

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by ClassicLover
Wed May 11, 2022 7:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)
Replies: 369
Views: 81103

Re: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)

Whilst SWZ is NOT aiming to be a LCC airport it will likely end up being one. Secondary cities don't usually attract as many premium services. What could happen is that SWZ might convince QF to switch its entire operation there - the carrots being reduced costs and the ability to schedule flights a...

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by ClassicLover
Wed May 11, 2022 5:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)
Replies: 369
Views: 81103

Re: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)

Probably not - SYD is generally considered at this time to be more premium SWZ. Not that SWZ is going to be a low cost carrier airport, just that the premium sunrise traffic is expected to be coming from closer to SYD. Whilst SWZ is NOT aiming to be a LCC airport it will likely end up being one. Se...

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by ClassicLover
Tue May 10, 2022 10:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)
Replies: 369
Views: 81103

Re: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)

redroo wrote:
Regarding the LHR-SYD schedule. Is it even possible to use the 2230 ex-LHR slot with the A350? Doesn’t that get you into Sydney 3am / 4am?


They might use it and fly into the new Western Sydney Airport, which is expected to be curfew free. Or use that slot for some other city that has no curfew.

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by ClassicLover
Mon May 09, 2022 7:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)
Replies: 369
Views: 81103

Re: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)

IF we were discussing a typical 7 to 14 hour flight over the Atlantic, the Pacific or Europe to the Orient able to overfly Russia you would right. But we are talking about the Kangaroo route with 20 hour flights, if First Class demand doesn't exist here where does it exist. Almost nowhere, which is...

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by ClassicLover
Mon May 09, 2022 10:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)
Replies: 369
Views: 81103

Re: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)

All the news about the A350-1000 going nonstop for 20 hours is great but it also creates some unanswered questions. Why does the A350-1000 have economy seats, it should be the "premium express", the economy passenger can go via Singapore. The nonstop is not going to have much space for ca...

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by ClassicLover
Wed May 04, 2022 4:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2022
Replies: 456
Views: 72657

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2022

I'm wondering that with the announced specification of the A35K, and specifically the new F suites, what relevance F class has on the A380? It seems almost ludicrous to sell this as an F product compared to the A350 suites and also the offerings from SQ, EK, etc. So do they rebrand this as a "...

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by ClassicLover
Mon May 02, 2022 4:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)
Replies: 369
Views: 81103

Re: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)

Why did it take Qantas until to offer an airplane configured like this. Products like these could be offered on their existing fleet. Those First Class suite certainly belong on the A380. That's not going to happen. The A380s will start being withdrawn permanently at the end of the decade as they r...

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by ClassicLover
Mon May 02, 2022 8:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)
Replies: 369
Views: 81103

Re: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)

Jon Ostrower writes on Twitter that the aircraft will have a 20,000 litre (5,283 gallon) centre fuel tank on the Airbus A350-1000s to enable the non-stop flights from Sydney to London and New York.

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by ClassicLover
Sun May 01, 2022 7:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)
Replies: 369
Views: 81103

Re: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)

Can somebody please tell us what the exact configuration is for the ULR? Thank you. Four classes, 269 seats - Executive Traveller has 369, but that is impossible. There will be 3, 4, 6 or 8 First Class, depending on the choice of 3 or 4 abreast, one row or two. My money would be on 6 or 8. A "...

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by ClassicLover
Sun May 01, 2022 12:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)
Replies: 369
Views: 81103

Re: Qantas/Airbus to launch Project Sunrise and firm narrowbody order tomorrow (2 May 22)

These flights are going to be a winner for a reason I haven't seen much discussed. Australia is obviously culturally linked to the UK, but making a connection en route is an unwelcome reminder of how big the world is, and how much of humanity is between Australia and the UK. DXB can feel like Mos E...

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by ClassicLover
Sun May 01, 2022 11:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky
Replies: 223
Views: 31049

Re: Irish 5/22: Summer in the Sky

I hope I’m wrong and 180 Pinnacle seats with headrests are fitted through the entire cabin. But I fear the ironing boards are likely. You never know, they may take the seats out of the aircraft that are going and put them into the new ones. Quite frankly one differentiator for Aer Lingus on short-h...

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by ClassicLover
Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2022
Replies: 417
Views: 66317

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2022

As a side note, QR seem to be doing much better than EK. QRs 4 daily flights seem to be consistently full, i'm not sure that EK is achieving the same load factor? Based on what? Either way, with QR in one world, you can bet that it's an easy choice for people in Australia as they will still earn th...

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by ClassicLover
Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

From having passed through Terminal 2 in the last week or so it is clear that the DAA are asleep at the wheel in multiple respects. The security issue just drew the most public attention and thankfully I had a 15 minute wait when I was there in the evening. The airside experience however is appalli...

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by ClassicLover
Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2022
Replies: 417
Views: 66317

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2022

It will be OQE and OQF being retired. The A380s need three tasks completed - maintenance, cabin refurbishment, and repaint, in that order of priority. That leaves A, E, F, and L. OQA will remain as it has the lowest hours in the fleet. OQL has the second lowest. OQE has none of the above tasks done...

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by ClassicLover
Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

Got to experience the ex QR A330 today EI - EIL . Still lots of QR things regarding interior. I think these are due to be upgraded to a more EI look this Summer. Forward toilet has a window . The toilets are quite big compared to usual . The galley is very spacious. The location of the forward toil...

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by ClassicLover
Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

Dynamic pricing has indeed been around for a long time and it makes booking a flight a bit like operating a one armed bandit. One of it's more charming features is finding a significant price drop after buying a flight. Then there is the ever reducing seat pitch - have you been a "guest" ...

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by ClassicLover
Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

Just a heads up there are supposed to be huge disruptions to roads around Dublin from 3am Monday as truckers launch fuel protests. From some of the posts I have seen they seem to be ready for 1-2 weeks of action bringing many areas to a halt. Obviously this may cause disruption at Dublin Airport an...

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by ClassicLover
Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:20 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Is London-Hawaii market booming?
Replies: 54
Views: 7132

Re: Is London-Hawaii market booming?

2. How about BA and VS? Many 2nd and 3rd tier cities in mainland has LHR service, why don't give HNL a try? I think British Airways is well served with partners. I'm flying to Hawaii this week from Dublin via London and I'm flying LHR-LAX (11 hours 30 minutes) and LAX-HNL (6 hours 1 minute) on Amer...

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by ClassicLover
Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

"It is like they have designed the convenience out of Dublin". After 9/11 all the links in the of the aviation industry chain seem to have adopted a mission to make the whole experience of flying as miserable as possible beginning with browsing airline websites with dynamic pricing. They ...

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by ClassicLover
Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

Even worse this morning. People queuing outside the airport and down the taxi ramp at T1 Dublin Airport's Twitter this morning said they were managing the entry to the terminals, hence the queues outside. Glad I wasn't stuck in it... but dreading flying on Tuesday morning. I'm just glad it'll be a ...

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by ClassicLover
Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

Hi, I am due to fly from Dublin to Charleroi in a couple of weeks time (Friday 22 April, dep 0945). I've been following the news about the security delays at Dublin airport. Obviously, I hope that the situation might have improved in the meantime, but can anyone tell me if that (an 0945 departure, ...

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by ClassicLover
Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

Thank you, much appreciated! Regarding AerLingus, makes me wonder, why they are not using AerLingus UK (EG) instead? That is because Emerald Airlines is a completely different business owned by different people when compared to Aer Lingus. While Emerald have the contract to operate the Aer Lingus R...

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by ClassicLover
Wed Apr 06, 2022 7:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

You do realise that any airline can operate any route in Europe, right? It's open skies with no restrictions, which is why Ryanair and Wizz and Norwegian can and do operate routes that are solely outside their home countries. Though Brexit did happen and several airlines scrambled to get AOCs in UK...

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by ClassicLover
Wed Apr 06, 2022 7:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

Is the UK still member of open skies, after Brexit?! Your reply makes no sense, if you consider, that Emerald applied for an UK AOC only for UK domestic flights ex BHD. IF an extra AOC was NOT needed, due to open skies, why do they set up an UK company after BREXIT?! :confused: I've done some resea...

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by ClassicLover
Wed Apr 06, 2022 4:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

EI321 wrote:
Anyone know why BA used a 787-8 on this afternoons DUB-LHR / BA837 ?


No idea, but wish I was on it in Club :)

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by ClassicLover
Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

Sorry if discussed before, but I am totally confused. Aer Lingus Regional op. by Emerald started flying from BHD. In a previous interview, Emerald announced to create a mandatory UK AOC specific for these operations from BHD, which is not yet AFAIK granted. However, flights are running... So how co...

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by ClassicLover
Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Condor launch new livery
Replies: 271
Views: 34471

Re: Condor launch new livery

Only posting the link is fully ok. Putting the pics up here means traffic for the other page, but they don't have the benefit of real visitors, like ad views. Some call it stealing, other call it leeching or hotlinking. Whatever you call it, it's at least unfair for the hoster of the page that stor...

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by ClassicLover
Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

Are airlines (including FR) allowing pax to take the next available flight at no extra charge? My sister missed her FR flight late last month after queuing for two hours at DUB security. She witnessed another long queue when she went to the FR desk so just went home. FR texted her the next day and ...

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by ClassicLover
Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Condor launch new livery
Replies: 271
Views: 34471

Re: Condor launch new livery

Lots more renderings over here: https://simpleflying.com/condor-colorful-new-livery/ Or, instead of linking to that site to drive traffic, how about just putting the pics in here? https://travelupdate.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Condor-B757-300-Passion.jpg https://travelupdate.com/wp-content/upl...

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by ClassicLover
Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

See that SuperValu and Aer Lingus have decided to end their partnership? No more converting Real Rewards to AerClub Avios. Last day looks like 18 May and they're doing a final 50% bonus. Sad times... I went back and had a look and since my first conversion on 2 February 2017, I've earned 30,439 Avio...

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by ClassicLover
Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

I have heard the announcement on about 90% of my recent flights. It says while you may take photos for personal use ie: out the window , your seat , food and of travelling companions you are not permitted to take photos of safety demo , operations ( or similar ) and no photos of crew . Thats not th...

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by ClassicLover
Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Condor launch new livery
Replies: 271
Views: 34471

Re: Condor launch new livery

I'm really happy with this, it's something different. I love how every time a Eurowhite livery appears, everyone is like, "Oh my GAWD, how BORRRINGG, they should do something different"... then along comes Condor and does something different and all the same people are like, "Oh my GA...

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by ClassicLover
Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays
Replies: 181
Views: 28424

Re: Irish 4/22: Queues, delays and more delays

Interesting comment on an aviation friends Facebook page. "Aer Lingus were great other than a very aggressive announcement on both flights forbidding photography." Seems the flights were LHR-DUB-LHR and one was last night on the A330. KLM have also been doing these "no photography&quo...

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by ClassicLover
Sun Apr 03, 2022 7:09 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Eastern Airlines 727-200 configuration in the 1980ies
Replies: 14
Views: 2603

Re: Eastern Airlines

Note three of the five configurations are for the BOS-LGA-DCA shuttle. Most of the configurations of the 72S in the 80s were 12F. AA, DL, TW, EA and others all had similar layouts. Fair enough, I didn't spot that in the notes - thanks for that. As an aside, always loved your Joe Patroni avatar - ma...

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by ClassicLover
Sun Apr 03, 2022 3:31 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Eastern Airlines 727-200 configuration in the 1980ies
Replies: 14
Views: 2603

Re: Eastern Airlines

Here are FIVE different configurations all from 1989: http://departedflights.com/EA72S0889.html Now that's kick-ass! There's only one configuration with first class... was there really that little demand for that class at the time? It's just so different from today to have four other configurations...

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by ClassicLover
Sun Apr 03, 2022 3:18 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Eastern Airlines 727-200 configuration in the 1980ies
Replies: 14
Views: 2603

Re: Eastern Airlines

What was the configuration of the Eastern Airlines Boeing 727-200 in the 1980 ? How many seats in F class ? in Y class ? This is apparently their High Density configuration from 1987 - from here . https://frequentlyflying.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/EA-727-200-471x1024.jpg There's a...

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