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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

We know from the FDR data that airspeed and altitude were correct. MCAS was going off due to bad AOA data. How do you come to this conclusion? The FDR data seems to show a 20-30 knot difference between left and right airspeeds. (Its difficult to tell because the scale is small). And, the pilots ask...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

Understood and agree in general However in case of 737, there is speed trim system(STS). From what I gathered, in normal operation, STS would trim against the normal direction the pilot would have wanted to trim. And the system operates non-continuous similar to MCAS. It blurres line between percep...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

I am wondering if the AoA vane change was done correctly. (or if there was a procedure not included in AMM). In the report on pages 7-9 the previous discrepancies and sign-offs are listed. Notice that before the vane change the discrepancy was always speed and altitude flags and no speed and altitud...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

So what you are saying is that even after the power to the motor is killed by the pilots, their are manual trim wheels to mechanically turn the motor ? Ok thanks . Didnt know that. Here is an image of the acuator, jackscrew, etc. https://i.imgur.com/eIPESaX.jpg You see the cable drum, those cables ...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

The pilots have the ability to cut off the power side if needed, they sit right next to the circuit breaker panels. Granted, I doubt many procedures besides electrical fire or shorts call for using breakers. The 115V goes though a normally open contact, remove the 28V from that is opens. The primar...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

The cut off is only on the control side. Something called power cut off in my industry, would cut off power, not control only. The pilots have the ability to cut off the power side if needed, they sit right next to the circuit breaker panels. Granted, I doubt many procedures besides electrical fire...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

IMO I believe that something could have happened here that has never happened before, let us imagine the cut out switch did not cut the power to the trim motor. I don't think so. You can see in the FDR plots that computer inputs and the opposite direction pilot inputs to the trim motor, with corres...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

Hopefully the CVR is found and we can find out what the pilots thought the flight control problem was. The preliminary report shows they communicated the aircraft was having a flight control problem to ATC three times.

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by dragon6172
Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ORF Route Development
Replies: 55
Views: 8712

Re: ORF Route Development

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/no ... 1601171452
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KICT wrote:
dragon6172 wrote:
SWA is adding Sat and Sun service to BNA and Sunday nonstop to SAN next summer.

Source? First I've heard of SAN-ORF n/s.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/no ... 1601171452

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by dragon6172
Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ORF Route Development
Replies: 55
Views: 8712

Re: ORF Route Development

SWA is adding Sat and Sun service to BNA and Sunday nonstop to SAN next summer.

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by dragon6172
Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing’s automatic trim for the 737 MAX was not disclosed to the Pilots
Replies: 295
Views: 48550

Re: Boeing’s automatic trim for the 737 MAX was not disclosed to the Pilots

One thing I don't understand here is what happens if there are multiple inputs to trim system? The way AD goes, I don't quite understand what happens with the trim if there are multiple inputs. What happens if MCAS kicks in while yoke switches are used? MCAS seems to have a lot of authority, would ...

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by dragon6172
Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing’s automatic trim for the 737 MAX was not disclosed to the Pilots
Replies: 295
Views: 48550

Re: Boeing’s automatic trim for the 737 MAX was not disclosed to the Pilots

It is one of big sticking point here - with MCAS you cannot make things go your way before shutting off a few things. As for extras... I for MCAS to kick in, plane has to be flown manually - not on autopilot; loss of airspeed data seems to be the reason. You don't have to shut anything off to "...

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by dragon6172
Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

LDRA wrote:

Is there explicit indication in cockpit that MCAS is active or not. Based on description, MCAS can kick in and out, in and out...

It moves the horizontal stab trim, which means the trim wheels will be turning when MCAS commands changes.

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by dragon6172
Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

From some other forums, a more detailed description of the system that is installed on the MAX that is probably the culprit MCAS (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System) is implemented on the 737 MAX to enhance pitch characteristics with flaps UP and at elevated angles of attack. The MCAS f...

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by dragon6172
Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

The SB says to use the electric trim switch, pull back on the column, or grab the trim wheel, then use the cutout if the behavior reoccurs. There's something else going on here, possibly confusion over stick shaker/pusher, maybe even split column movements breaking away the link. There is also the ...

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by dragon6172
Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FAA issues emergency 737 Max airworthiness order
Replies: 94
Views: 26001

Re: FAA issues emergency 737 Max airworthiness order

I believe it is the AoA indicator that is an option. If you don't have an AoA indicator, you don't need an AoA disagree caution. Well, in this case it seems that an AoA disagree message would have been very helpful for the maintenance guys when they was trying to diagnose the airplane after the pre...

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by dragon6172
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FAA issues emergency 737 Max airworthiness order
Replies: 94
Views: 26001

Re: FAA issues emergency 737 Max airworthiness order

A vehicle's cruise control no longer receives valid speed information. The system responds by opening the throttle wide open because, hey, every driver should know how to use the break. Not a good example. Let's say the system responded by accelerating normally. A driver paying attention and not bu...

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by dragon6172
Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

As a reminder. The bulletin literally said follow established procedures. You know so more people don't die. It is pretty standard after a crash for reminder bulletins to be sent. It is a "hey guys.. remember this thing... seems like you may have forgotten it... so remember it" You clearl...

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by dragon6172
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Pilots know runaway stab trim and the procedures... Pilots know flight with unreliable airspeed and the procedures... But how many until yesterday, know how to deal with both unreliable airspeed and runaway stab trim at the same time. And let's not assume it's day VMC at the crash location just bec...

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by dragon6172
Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

maint123 wrote:
Too many people concentrating on how the pilots should have recovered from a faulty plane rather than what the fault was in a new plane.
1. In manual mode why still have a feature in which the auto trimming comes into play ?

FAR requirement for longitudinal stability

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by dragon6172
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

I'm curious why the system would be allowed to cause "uncommanded horizontal stabilizer trim movement" when the data are known (or suspected) by the system to be erroneous. Would it not be safer to have the system reject the data, not cause uncommanded trim movements, and raise an alert t...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

None of this discussion of trim problems explains the dive into the ocean. The problem showed on climb-out, they leveled at 5000 and flew there for 6-7 minutes, probably dealing with the problem judging by the altitude deviations. And then they just let go of the controls and let the plane fly itsel...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

737NG -- If the stab trim starts to go nose down, the first thing a pilot will instinctively do if flying manually (which is a requirement for this to happen) is pull back on the control column which will stop the runaway. Does that even apply to STS operation ? At acceleration altitude for exemple...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

That's if you even have 10 seconds available.. Wow. Not sure I'll be on a MAX until a real solution is implemented imo. Same system is on NG's also. Better avoid them, too. :roll: And, looks like it is on 737 Classic's also. May as well avoid the whole type. So essentially you're saying it's unique...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

And, looks like it is on 737 Classic's also. May as well avoid the whole type. Trim actively controlled by AoA bypassing pilot input ? It doesn't bypass pilot input. If the pilot made a trim input it would stop automatically trimming. There is also a procedure to disconnect the electrical trim func...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

reported remedy: ... if not counteracted by pilot trimming the aircraft and disconnecting the stabilizer trim system. use the 10 sec intermission period. fix trim and then cut power . voila. That's if you even have 10 seconds available.. Wow. Not sure I'll be on a MAX until a real solution is imple...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

I find it strange that conditions for such an important malfunction have not occurred earlier, in test flying or in any of the hundreds of daily 737 MAX flights. It has come up on prior flights. The flight right before the accident flight actually. Those pilots were able to follow the procedure and...

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by dragon6172
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

benjjk wrote:
Wow is correct.

This is the first I've heard of automatic AoA protection on a Boeing. Is it new to the Max? And is it as comprehensive as the Airbus logic?

I dont think so. This is from a 737NG training slide
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by dragon6172
Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

- Initial FDR analysis will take 1-2 weeks. - CVR pings are reported to be "in and out" through this afternoon's search dives. One thing puzzles me. This plane was produced this year 2018. Type certificate is little older. Still: The memory chips for the FDR and CVR seem to be contained i...

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by dragon6172
Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

I maybe wrong but I think prebennorholm is on to something here. Back in the old days, the bulky nature of the recording device meant that the FDR and CVR had to be housed in two separate boxes. With the level of miniaturization we see today using electronics and memory chips, it should be possible...

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by dragon6172
Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

From Sky News Twitter account, just now: 'Investigators say the "black box" flight recorder recovered after a plane crash in Indonesia shows four of the Lion Air jet's flights had experienced problems with the airspeed indicator' https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1059387680734306305...

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by dragon6172
Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Baggage handler rides in cargo MCIORD
Replies: 37
Views: 9075

Re: AA Baggage handler rides in cargo MCIORD

Apparently he may have tried to open the door?
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by dragon6172
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

I looked through flightradar24 data on several flight tracks that used the same departure from CGK. Everyone flew the runway heading to an altitude of ~3200 feet and then began the left hand turn. The incident aircraft climbed to ~1600 feet and started its turn. Could have been an early turn instruc...

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by dragon6172
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

frmrCapCadet wrote:
Eye witnesses are important in any investigation. They are often accurate.

Eyewitnesses are notoriously inaccurate. Important, yes.

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by dragon6172
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 634912

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Pardon me if this has come up in the previous posts, I haven‘t read all of them: Flightradar24 data only relies on Mode-S and ADS-B data, meaning the GS and ALT information come from within the aircraft. I don‘t know the technicals behind the 737, but I am almost certain that if the CM1 instruments...

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by dragon6172
Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific aircraft repainted with wrong titles
Replies: 70
Views: 16764

Re: Cathay Pacific aircraft repainted with wrong titles

Did they only screw up the spelling on one side?

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by dragon6172
Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:51 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Boeing 767 wing vent/flap
Replies: 5
Views: 1273

Re: Boeing 767 wing vent/flap

Is there an actuator associated with this door? Just linkages connected to the gear leg? Or just a rub strip?

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by dragon6172
Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:37 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Contract awarded - Blue Angels to receive F/A-18E & F Super Hornets
Replies: 38
Views: 5583

Re: Contract awarded - Blue Angels to receive F/A-18E & F Super Hornets

I read that it was 11 aircraft being modified. Also, they did move from the A to the C model Hornet at some point. So this will be the 3rd Hornet type the Blues have flown

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by dragon6172
Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest grounding many airplanes.
Replies: 71
Views: 13698

Re: Southwest grounding many airplanes.

And this is a surprise to no one. WN has skirted rules and had cozy realtionship with the FAA people that were supposed to safeguarding the public. It was only a matter of time. Perhaps peeling the onion will reveal a lot more. Maybe the inspectors doing the deep dive don’t like pizza? (An industry...

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by dragon6172
Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: QX employee steals and crashes Q400 near SEA
Replies: 705
Views: 110718

Re: Updated: AS employee steals and crashes Q400 at SeaTac

So real quick back to the smoking tires/brakes. I know this was touched on, but those with experience in this type of aircraft, do you think he was rolling with partial brakes applied and was causing the brakes to smoke? You would think it would take a little longer to get the brakes warm enough to...

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by dragon6172
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:45 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: contract awarded for 78 new Ospreys
Replies: 12
Views: 2847

Re: contract awarded for 78 new Ospreys

I'm not entirely up-to-date on the helo developments and such, but I thought everything from here-out would revolve around the Future Vertical Lift (FVL) aircraft. I guess the 22 is larger than the valor and no other replacement exists yet in that size/capacity. Don't get me wrong, I like the Ospre...

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by dragon6172
Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:20 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Trump proposes new livery for AF1
Replies: 90
Views: 12263

Re: Trump proposes new livery for AF1

I don't see a need to change. I can't seem to ever find an answer to this question: Is it going to be based off the pax (stretched upper deck) or cargo version of the 747-8? I believe they are pax versions. They are using airframes originally built for a Russian airline Transaero. They were built b...

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by dragon6172
Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:31 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: US Army buys a 777 to blow it up
Replies: 45
Views: 10299

Re: US Army buys a 777 to blow it up

They cannot, the posse comitatus act does not allow the regular Army to intervene at all domestically. The National Guard and the Air National Guard are the only ones who can operate when civilians are involved on US soil. Even during 9/11, most of the fighters launcheed were from the ANG, save a f...

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by dragon6172
Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:48 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: contract awarded for 78 new Ospreys
Replies: 12
Views: 2847

Re: contract awarded for 78 new Ospreys

rlwynn wrote:
I just watched a you tube Video of Obama flying in an Osprey in Iraq.

Yes, Senator Obama from 2008. He didn't take office as President until 2009

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by dragon6172
Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:20 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: contract awarded for 78 new Ospreys
Replies: 12
Views: 2847

Re: contract awarded for 78 new Ospreys

This aircraft had one of the most challenging introductions to service of any program I can recall. Does anyone know the reliability and in service stats for the Osprey over the past few years? I have to assume they've ironed out the major problems to get an order like this. Still a maintenance nig...

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by dragon6172
Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:32 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: The simplicity of aircraft tires
Replies: 15
Views: 3355

Re: The simplicity of aircraft tires

Compared to auto tires, the tread pattern on aircraft tires seem overly simple. Why didn't aircraft tires develop with more complex tread patterns? They did back when..... https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5253/5457566512_f5f99788b0_b.jpg https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/usa/aircrafts...

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by dragon6172
Thu May 31, 2018 1:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest ask mother to prove Bi-racial child is her own
Replies: 199
Views: 13939

Re: Southwest ask mother to prove Bi-racial child is her own

The page on southwest.com regarding traveling with infants and toddlers says a birth certificate is required in three or four different spots. Seems pretty clear to me. Also no mention of any other form of ID on this page. On the "Age Verification" page it says travelers on age restricted ...

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by dragon6172
Sat May 26, 2018 12:16 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Elusive Car Problems
Replies: 26
Views: 1668

Re: Elusive Car Problems

I had this on a truck and it was just and out of balance wheel. I assume the tires were balanced when you had them replaced though. Do your front tires show any signs of odd wear? Does the vehicle track straight when you let you hand off the wheel on level pavement? Also. When you say front end shak...

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by dragon6172
Fri May 25, 2018 1:05 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: NFL announces new national anthem policy
Replies: 68
Views: 2960

Re: NFL announces new national anthem policy

I totally think players should be allowed to kneel during the anthem. The teams should also be able to fine them. What's interesting to me is that this new policy announcement from the NFL has no negative effect on the players.... yet. It says: ⋅ The policy is that team and league personn...

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by dragon6172
Fri May 25, 2018 12:23 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: NFL announces new national anthem policy
Replies: 68
Views: 2960

Re: NFL announces new national anthem policy

If you want to get rid of the anthem before games, that's fine with me. You weren't watching anyway. Nobody ever showed the anthem on TV because it was a good time to run some commercials (how's that for respect for the flag?). So what you're really objecting to is the knowledge that someone was kn...

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