Re: ORF Route Development

SWA is adding Sat and Sun service to BNA and Sunday nonstop to SAN next summer.

Re: Boeing’s automatic trim for the 737 MAX was not disclosed to the Pilots

One thing I don't understand here is what happens if there are multiple inputs to trim system? The way AD goes, I don't quite understand what happens with the trim if there are multiple inputs. What happens if MCAS kicks in while yoke switches are used? MCAS seems to have a lot of authority, would ...

Re: Boeing’s automatic trim for the 737 MAX was not disclosed to the Pilots

It is one of big sticking point here - with MCAS you cannot make things go your way before shutting off a few things. As for extras... I for MCAS to kick in, plane has to be flown manually - not on autopilot; loss of airspeed data seems to be the reason. You don't have to shut anything off to "...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

LDRA wrote:

Is there explicit indication in cockpit that MCAS is active or not. Based on description, MCAS can kick in and out, in and out...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

From some other forums, a more detailed description of the system that is installed on the MAX that is probably the culprit MCAS (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System) is implemented on the 737 MAX to enhance pitch characteristics with flaps UP and at elevated angles of attack. The MCAS f...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

The SB says to use the electric trim switch, pull back on the column, or grab the trim wheel, then use the cutout if the behavior reoccurs. There's something else going on here, possibly confusion over stick shaker/pusher, maybe even split column movements breaking away the link. There is also the ...

Re: FAA issues emergency 737 Max airworthiness order

I believe it is the AoA indicator that is an option. If you don't have an AoA indicator, you don't need an AoA disagree caution. Well, in this case it seems that an AoA disagree message would have been very helpful for the maintenance guys when they was trying to diagnose the airplane after the pre...

Re: FAA issues emergency 737 Max airworthiness order

A vehicle's cruise control no longer receives valid speed information. The system responds by opening the throttle wide open because, hey, every driver should know how to use the break. Not a good example. Let's say the system responded by accelerating normally. A driver paying attention and not bu...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

As a reminder. The bulletin literally said follow established procedures. You know so more people don't die. It is pretty standard after a crash for reminder bulletins to be sent. It is a "hey guys.. remember this thing... seems like you may have forgotten it... so remember it" You clearl...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Pilots know runaway stab trim and the procedures... Pilots know flight with unreliable airspeed and the procedures... But how many until yesterday, know how to deal with both unreliable airspeed and runaway stab trim at the same time. And let's not assume it's day VMC at the crash location just bec...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

maint123 wrote:

Too many people concentrating on how the pilots should have recovered from a faulty plane rather than what the fault was in a new plane.
1. In manual mode why still have a feature in which the auto trimming comes into play ?

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

I'm curious why the system would be allowed to cause "uncommanded horizontal stabilizer trim movement" when the data are known (or suspected) by the system to be erroneous. Would it not be safer to have the system reject the data, not cause uncommanded trim movements, and raise an alert t...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

None of this discussion of trim problems explains the dive into the ocean. The problem showed on climb-out, they leveled at 5000 and flew there for 6-7 minutes, probably dealing with the problem judging by the altitude deviations. And then they just let go of the controls and let the plane fly itsel...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

737NG -- If the stab trim starts to go nose down, the first thing a pilot will instinctively do if flying manually (which is a requirement for this to happen) is pull back on the control column which will stop the runaway. Does that even apply to STS operation ? At acceleration altitude for exemple...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

That's if you even have 10 seconds available.. Wow. Not sure I'll be on a MAX until a real solution is implemented imo. Same system is on NG's also. Better avoid them, too. :roll: And, looks like it is on 737 Classic's also. May as well avoid the whole type. So essentially you're saying it's unique...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

And, looks like it is on 737 Classic's also. May as well avoid the whole type. Trim actively controlled by AoA bypassing pilot input ? It doesn't bypass pilot input. If the pilot made a trim input it would stop automatically trimming. There is also a procedure to disconnect the electrical trim func...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

reported remedy: ... if not counteracted by pilot trimming the aircraft and disconnecting the stabilizer trim system. use the 10 sec intermission period. fix trim and then cut power . voila. That's if you even have 10 seconds available.. Wow. Not sure I'll be on a MAX until a real solution is imple...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

I find it strange that conditions for such an important malfunction have not occurred earlier, in test flying or in any of the hundreds of daily 737 MAX flights. It has come up on prior flights. The flight right before the accident flight actually. Those pilots were able to follow the procedure and...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

benjjk wrote:

Wow is correct.

This is the first I've heard of automatic AoA protection on a Boeing. Is it new to the Max? And is it as comprehensive as the Airbus logic?

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

- Initial FDR analysis will take 1-2 weeks. - CVR pings are reported to be "in and out" through this afternoon's search dives. One thing puzzles me. This plane was produced this year 2018. Type certificate is little older. Still: The memory chips for the FDR and CVR seem to be contained i...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

I maybe wrong but I think prebennorholm is on to something here. Back in the old days, the bulky nature of the recording device meant that the FDR and CVR had to be housed in two separate boxes. With the level of miniaturization we see today using electronics and memory chips, it should be possible...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

From Sky News Twitter account, just now: 'Investigators say the "black box" flight recorder recovered after a plane crash in Indonesia shows four of the Lion Air jet's flights had experienced problems with the airspeed indicator' https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1059387680734306305...

Re: AA Baggage handler rides in cargo MCIORD

Apparently he may have tried to open the door?

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

I looked through flightradar24 data on several flight tracks that used the same departure from CGK. Everyone flew the runway heading to an altitude of ~3200 feet and then began the left hand turn. The incident aircraft climbed to ~1600 feet and started its turn. Could have been an early turn instruc...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

frmrCapCadet wrote:

Eye witnesses are important in any investigation. They are often accurate.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Pardon me if this has come up in the previous posts, I haven‘t read all of them: Flightradar24 data only relies on Mode-S and ADS-B data, meaning the GS and ALT information come from within the aircraft. I don‘t know the technicals behind the 737, but I am almost certain that if the CM1 instruments...

Re: Cathay Pacific aircraft repainted with wrong titles

Did they only screw up the spelling on one side?

Re: Boeing 767 wing vent/flap

Is there an actuator associated with this door? Just linkages connected to the gear leg? Or just a rub strip?

Re: Contract awarded - Blue Angels to receive F/A-18E & F Super Hornets

I read that it was 11 aircraft being modified. Also, they did move from the A to the C model Hornet at some point. So this will be the 3rd Hornet type the Blues have flown

Re: Southwest grounding many airplanes.

And this is a surprise to no one. WN has skirted rules and had cozy realtionship with the FAA people that were supposed to safeguarding the public. It was only a matter of time. Perhaps peeling the onion will reveal a lot more. Maybe the inspectors doing the deep dive don’t like pizza? (An industry...

Re: Updated: AS employee steals and crashes Q400 at SeaTac

So real quick back to the smoking tires/brakes. I know this was touched on, but those with experience in this type of aircraft, do you think he was rolling with partial brakes applied and was causing the brakes to smoke? You would think it would take a little longer to get the brakes warm enough to...

Re: contract awarded for 78 new Ospreys

I'm not entirely up-to-date on the helo developments and such, but I thought everything from here-out would revolve around the Future Vertical Lift (FVL) aircraft. I guess the 22 is larger than the valor and no other replacement exists yet in that size/capacity. Don't get me wrong, I like the Ospre...

Re: Trump proposes new livery for AF1

I don't see a need to change. I can't seem to ever find an answer to this question: Is it going to be based off the pax (stretched upper deck) or cargo version of the 747-8? I believe they are pax versions. They are using airframes originally built for a Russian airline Transaero. They were built b...

Re: US Army buys a 777 to blow it up

They cannot, the posse comitatus act does not allow the regular Army to intervene at all domestically. The National Guard and the Air National Guard are the only ones who can operate when civilians are involved on US soil. Even during 9/11, most of the fighters launcheed were from the ANG, save a f...

Re: contract awarded for 78 new Ospreys

rlwynn wrote:

I just watched a you tube Video of Obama flying in an Osprey in Iraq.

Re: contract awarded for 78 new Ospreys

This aircraft had one of the most challenging introductions to service of any program I can recall. Does anyone know the reliability and in service stats for the Osprey over the past few years? I have to assume they've ironed out the major problems to get an order like this. Still a maintenance nig...

Re: The simplicity of aircraft tires

Compared to auto tires, the tread pattern on aircraft tires seem overly simple. Why didn't aircraft tires develop with more complex tread patterns? They did back when..... https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5253/5457566512_f5f99788b0_b.jpg https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/usa/aircrafts...

Re: Southwest ask mother to prove Bi-racial child is her own

The page on southwest.com regarding traveling with infants and toddlers says a birth certificate is required in three or four different spots. Seems pretty clear to me. Also no mention of any other form of ID on this page. On the "Age Verification" page it says travelers on age restricted ...

Re: Elusive Car Problems

I had this on a truck and it was just and out of balance wheel. I assume the tires were balanced when you had them replaced though. Do your front tires show any signs of odd wear? Does the vehicle track straight when you let you hand off the wheel on level pavement? Also. When you say front end shak...

Re: NFL announces new national anthem policy

I totally think players should be allowed to kneel during the anthem. The teams should also be able to fine them. What's interesting to me is that this new policy announcement from the NFL has no negative effect on the players.... yet. It says: ⋅ The policy is that team and league personn...

Re: NFL announces new national anthem policy

If you want to get rid of the anthem before games, that's fine with me. You weren't watching anyway. Nobody ever showed the anthem on TV because it was a good time to run some commercials (how's that for respect for the flag?). So what you're really objecting to is the knowledge that someone was kn...