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by Noshow
Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

The airlines still have to wait. MAX7 and MAX10, 787 for a long time, 777X.
What happened? Why does a big manufacturer look like needing to be motivated to develop new products?

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by Noshow
Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022
Replies: 390
Views: 104123

Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Fantastic shot!

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by Noshow
Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: China to allow increased international flights
Replies: 38
Views: 10951

Re: China preparing to scrap COVID Zero policy to boost air traffic

Aren't they expanding covid restrictions recently with more areas put on quarantine again? Even Shanghai Disneyland with visitors inside? I would not like to be free to travel on a plane first and then be locked in in China for some weeks. I respect their rules but prefer to wait until things are no...

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by Noshow
Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: China Southern Will Operate Its Last Airbus A380 Flight On Sunday
Replies: 37
Views: 10597

Re: China Southern Will Operate Its Last Airbus A380 Flight On Sunday

I was boarding another US bound flight next door when the first A380 of CS arrived at Amsterdam back then. Remembering, there was a gate party with cake and music or similar I could see from my gate.
It's a bit of a surprise that a country like China has no use for it's A380?

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by Noshow
Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022
Replies: 390
Views: 104123

Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Original schedule, announced in the press release, heralding Boeing-Atlas deal for the last four 747-8s, called for last delivery in October. Yet here we are, in November, still two frames to be delivered. Watch this thread for more info; maybe PM some of the more "on the inside" folks on...

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by Noshow
Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

Look at A321neo firm orders. There is a market. Boeing must wake up.

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by Noshow
Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

Why? The customers lost trust that Boeing will deliver what was promised on time. It's Boeing that must now actively change this perception. Waiting for orders at no risk won't work with this product line set up.

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by Noshow
Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

Aside from the aircraft performance, the manufacturing and automation will be the key to the future. Boeing can do a lot here, even with no step changes in aircraft technology. Tube and wings, robot built in the US, fly-by-wire with latest engines and room for higher bypass. This is the route to go....

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by Noshow
Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

MAX 7 and 10 are not "online". 777X is not "online". 767 is ending and sold out until then. 747 is ending. This is the problem, there will be a big gap on Boeing's side. The only thing working is the all new 787, but it still does not earn money after all those early troubles.

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by Noshow
Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

The decision to not go all new was wrong and is wrong. The need is only getting more pressing to turn strategy around. Waiting will solve nothing. I want Boeing to be competitive again.

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by Noshow
Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 18 hours to Honolulu. In a Cessna 172.
Replies: 37
Views: 8072

Re: 18 hours to Honolulu. In a Cessna 172.

I remember a wooden sign at Santa Barbara Airport (on California's central coast) aimed at General Aviation and saying "last stop to Hawaii". This is where many ferry flights take off.

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by Noshow
Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

Those wingtips were already certified. AFAIK: Before the 777-300ER all T7 wings had the tank layout of the folding wing even without the folding mechanism. This is where they found all the additional fuel tank volume later on.

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by Noshow
Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

I am not so sure that a folding wing will be reliable enough for high frequency short range flights. Remember the original 777 folding wing got no orders and the 777X has only simple outside wingtips folding, no movables, no hydraulic lines or similar. If I'd be Boeing, I'd go for some advanced but ...

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by Noshow
Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

The MDD marriage was wrong, as was inheriting their neutron-jack-mindset.

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by Noshow
Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

If nothing new is coming this decade wouldn't Boeing need to think about how to keep research capabilities and conserving in-house know how? What type of young engineers do they want to attract and how long are they supposed to wait until they get some aircraft project to work on? Boeing has almost ...

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by Noshow
Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 18 hours to Honolulu. In a Cessna 172.
Replies: 37
Views: 8072

Re: 18 hours to Honolulu. In a Cessna 172.

Hawaii is the easy part. They sometimes ferry aircraft, including slow agricultural planes, all the way to Australia across the Pacific. After a while there are no more shipping routes, no helicopters and then no more Hercules able to help you due to the distance. People just disappear whenever some...

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by Noshow
Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

They seem to need a strategy change, seriously. This can't go on for much longer. They wasted all those fat years and leadership position for what?

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by Noshow
Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2022
Replies: 346
Views: 143364

Re: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

What Cockpit is to be installed? Common old or different new?

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by Noshow
Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: HKG skybridge open on 01 NOV
Replies: 6
Views: 1828

Re: HKG skybridge open on 01 NOV

The views might be nice, but tunnels are smarter for smooth airport operations from my passenger perspective.

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by Noshow
Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing TTBW to fly on modified McDonnell Douglas T-tail fuselage
Replies: 71
Views: 16579

Re: Boeing TTBW to fly on modified McDonnell Douglas T-tail fuselage

With all changes needed what is the point of reusing an old MD metal fuselage for something entirely different? Using an old MD airframe with just new test engines mounted I would understand but this time the wing and many parts make it just patchwork having to be more new than old anyway? The only ...

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by Noshow
Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

Thanks very much for the Boeing link.

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by Noshow
Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

Is there any public place to follow the upcoming Boeing investors event or briefings online?

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by Noshow
Mon Oct 31, 2022 9:15 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Separate airports connected by a taxiway
Replies: 21
Views: 2720

Re: Separate airports connected by a taxiway

Beijing airport at Daxing has a separate military base next door, New Nanjiao airport or Beijing Southern Suburbs Airport. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/beijing-nanjiao.htm Singapore Changi had Changi air base (east), ICAO-Code WSAC, next door, connected by a taxiway. After the...

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by Noshow
Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread
Replies: 444
Views: 59134

Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

What is left to be done that takes so long and is so expensive? Are there any key customers demanding big changes?

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by Noshow
Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

If Boeing is going all new instead of warmed over in the future they finally do the right thing.

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by Noshow
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

The last clean sheets were all talked about for years and then disappeared without trace. NMA and NSA and whatever they called them. I believe it when I see it.

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by Noshow
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion
Replies: 178
Views: 21896

Re: Boeing Posts 3rd Quarter loss of nearly $2.8 billion

What clean sheet SA from Boeing are you talking about please?

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by Noshow
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Happy birthday A300 - 50 years since FF
Replies: 40
Views: 14309

Re: Happy birthday A300 - 50 years since FF

Lufthansa's were pretty basic inside. Like grayish, no nonsense utility cabins and many seats. I remember them going TXL to Frankfurt. A bit like a flying subway car.

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by Noshow
Mon Oct 31, 2022 12:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG looks to snap up rivals
Replies: 109
Views: 26409

Re: IAG looks to snap up rivals

Wouldn't this work better competition wise than to have -say Ryanair- buying them? From my view, the only way for legacy airlines to set a foot in the low cost airline business is to buy an existing one. They never manage to set up one from scratch.

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by Noshow
Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG looks to snap up rivals
Replies: 109
Views: 26409

Re: IAG looks to snap up rivals

How about SAS or Finnair?

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by Noshow
Mon Oct 31, 2022 9:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Media reports: Airbus close to Air India deal for A350 aircraft
Replies: 228
Views: 53346

Re: Media reports: Airbus close to Air India deal for A350 aircraft

No question, India is a huge country and will be the very global key player of this second half century. But in terms of big orders be it commercial or military they are the world's drama queen as well.

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by Noshow
Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Electric airliners coming soon...
Replies: 211
Views: 20593

Re: Electric airliners coming soon...

Where I live noise will be a key issue for operating them over metropolitan areas. Noise is a big concern to many people. Even wind turbines get challenged because of this. I don't see EVTOLs flying around places like flying taxis soon this means their expected key market might not be there. The win...

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by Noshow
Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Happy birthday A300 - 50 years since FF
Replies: 40
Views: 14309

Re: Happy birthday A300 - 50 years since FF

The A300 was the pioneer. It was mainly about getting the political and technical concepts going like centralised assembly of partner supplied sections. But only after several major product changes and years of waiting Airbus finally came on the road to success. I see the A320 and A330 as their key ...

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by Noshow
Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Electric airliners coming soon...
Replies: 211
Views: 20593

Re: Electric airliners coming soon...

Electric airliners are NOT coming "soon", E-VTOLs might be arriving sooner but they are far from being quiet. This is why inner city operations will cause noise complaints threatening their entire business case.

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by Noshow
Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Electric airliners coming soon...
Replies: 211
Views: 20593

Re: Electric airliners coming soon...

Imagine the noise debate in inner cities, the downwash and the public opinion after the first crashes with lithium fires igniting things on the ground. What noise? These things are almost silent. Quieter than a gas powered car. You think so? Have you heard one? I have: A tiny, lightweight Velis on ...

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by Noshow
Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Electric airliners coming soon...
Replies: 211
Views: 20593

Re: Electric airliners coming soon...

Imagine the noise debate in inner cities, the downwash and the public opinion after the first crashes with lithium fires igniting things on the ground.

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by Noshow
Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Electric airliners coming soon...
Replies: 211
Views: 20593

Re: Electric airliners coming soon...

Why are those electric vehicles focussing on VTOL -say instead of STOL- at all? VTOL with a super heavy battery to lift and at very limited range seems to make even less sense? Is this meant to be the sweet spot of electric powered air vehicle use? Why?

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by Noshow
Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Electric airliners coming soon...
Replies: 211
Views: 20593

Re: Electric airliners coming soon...

“If the future is so promising, why isn’t it the present?” My point was asking about the lack of any feeder taxi flight concept today. Electric flight might be "greener" somehow, however very much depending on the energy sources used, but costs will not be that much lower compared to conv...

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by Noshow
Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Electric airliners coming soon...
Replies: 211
Views: 20593

Re: Electric airliners coming soon...

That's a big if about their numbers if you ask me. The financial investor's community seems to live far away from real world science. It's all about promises regardless of feasibility it seems. Time for some reality check. (German language link about some experts verdict that range estimation and ex...

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by Noshow
Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Electric airliners coming soon...
Replies: 211
Views: 20593

Re: Electric airliners coming soon...

If this concept is so promising why isn't it done today with today's conventional aircraft and helicopters? Airports have become slower with long waiting lines, TSA, long walks and long baggage returns. Nobody seems to be interested in shortening travel times for the passenger. Why would "elect...

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by Noshow
Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA908 EZE-MIA compressor stall at take off from EZE tonight
Replies: 67
Views: 16393

Re: AA908 EZE-MIA compressor stall at take off from EZE tonight

That's a little more than a "compressor stall" isn't it?

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by Noshow
Thu Oct 27, 2022 2:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Return to Service Thread
Replies: 158
Views: 122002

Re: China Southern to return 737 MAX to service

Does this mean their aviation authority did clear the MAX already? This would be a major win for the MAX.

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by Noshow
Sat Oct 22, 2022 6:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Electric airliners coming soon...
Replies: 211
Views: 20593

Re: Electric airliners coming soon...

From my view it is better to remain realistic instead of planning for battery performance that is just not there. There is a lot of risk capital available that some companies try to easily harvest with promises beyond reality to some nontechnical audience.

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by Noshow
Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Electric airliners coming soon...
Replies: 211
Views: 20593

Re: Electric airliners coming soon...

Electric aircraft are too small and have not enough range. Even if you double capacity and battery performance. They are what is technically possible but not what is needed.

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by Noshow
Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Non-Passengers being allowed through security at ONT
Replies: 34
Views: 4801

Re: Non-Passengers being allowed through security at ONT

If you want to accompany elderly or teenagers through TSA and terminals and gate changes it makes perfect sense as airlines and airports reduce staff and services.

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by Noshow
Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Tamarack targets A320 with active winglet upgrade
Replies: 16
Views: 5094

Re: Tamarack targets A320 with active winglet upgrade

The fuel savings sound too good to be true. If this works as advertised, it's a massive reduction and will be retrofitted to many aircraft.

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by Noshow
Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 MAX 10 Development / Testing / Production Thread - 2022
Replies: 691
Views: 169385

Re: Boeing 737 MAX 10 Development / Testing / Production Thread - 2022

That is the Seattle Times published FAA letter we know already.

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by Noshow
Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa Group News and Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 890
Views: 289858

Re: Lufthansa Group News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Air Berlin in total failed, but they had some long range flights that worked over some time. Taking the new airport and a late A321 XLR or 787 plus Berlin becoming more of a business center again new routes might be possible at a profit. Just don't expect LH to be that pioneer.

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