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The Media

The media has become as sensational in reporting things that the National Enquirer ought to be considered a legitimate news source any more. A few months ago an AirTran DC9 going ATL-CAK had to return to ATL with smoke in the cabin. Well, naturally, one of the reporters for the FOX affilliate in CLE...

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Phase III

Personally, I think Phase III would be a waste of money. I think the city of CLE wants to tear down the IX Center more to draw business to the Convention Center (and give them an excuse to build a new one) that to build another runway. In my view, a 3rd runway isn't needed-and by the way, Concourse ...

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N766UA

Runway length is NOT the reason UA pulled out of CLE The big reasons are ORD and IAD....they simply no longer needed a hub in CLE...the other two more than filled their needs.

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RE: Continental Contact Info

First of all, info on how the "friggin" airline ruined the vacation would be helpful!

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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Unfortunately, Go Delta, CO does not have a plethera of widebodies like the big 4, and must use those widebodies in the most advantageous routes it can. And most of those routes fly out of EWR and IAH-that's just a fact of life. You have to remember something-the DL hub in CVG is about 10 years olde...

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RE: Gate D1?

There is not Gate D-1 yet. The reason-because LSG Catering is in the way. Plans are to tear down LSG's catering facility so that planes can come out of D Concurse from both ends. Right now, planes going to the fingers on the east side of D must arrive/depart through the south taxiway. If/when the ta...

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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Widebodies have no problems going out of here to Europe. There have been many charters in the past nonstop CLE-Europe.

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RE: Most Stupid Remark Of A Passenger

A moring where the fog is literally to the windows of the terminal. You can't see the tails of aircraft at the gate. A customer is getting irritated because the inbound aircraft can't land. Customer: "Why can't the plane land!!" Agent: "Sir, look out the window-what do you see" Customer: "I can't se...

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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

The Usual 2-day routing of the 757-200 that goes CLE-LGW us normally something like this: Europe destination to EWR, flight 277 EWRCLE, flight 66 CLE-LGW, then the next day, flight 67 LGW-CLE, flight 280 CLE-EWR, then EWR to either Europe or sometimes into Florida. Flight 66 originates in MSY, and f...

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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

The 757 easily makes the CLE-LGW run. On about 5 occasions since the inception of the service, the LGW-CLE portion has had to divert to places like BOS, YYZ, YUL, because very high headwinds slowed down the aircraft, and emptied out the fuel tanks. The 767-200, which only holds 2 more total customer...

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RE: Wichita Mayor Wants Subsidized Airline For Wichita

Back in the late 80's, early 90's, CO had jet flights from Cleveland to Lansing, Saginaw and Flint subsidized-I don't remember if it was by those respective cites, or by the corporations in those 3 Michigan cities, but they were routes subsidized for 2 years...after the subsidy ran out, CO switched ...

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RE: Most Respected People In Aviation

What about former UA Captian Al Haines? For what he did alone with the UA 232 incident, he's a hero in my book.

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RE: This Post Is So Stupid It Desreves It's Own Thread

I've been no huge fan of unions in the industry, but that's besides the point-tell me guys like Al Haines didn't earn his keep during UA 232-and his skill has nothing to do with his union affilliation-it has to do with his training as a professional pilot. What happened to him could happen to any pi...

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RE: CO To Cuba?

I was recently talking with two of CO's flight deck crew who were doing that charter for about a month. It's a charter sanctioned by both governments to let relatives visit each other. It's been using a 738, and it's been packed. The fare is something like $749 roundtrip, USD, and it's a huge money-...

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TranStar

CO currently has no plans for adding the 737-600 to the fleet. In fact, Gordon and Greg have indicated that the leases on the 737-500's will probably not be picked up when it's time to renew them. They'll be replaced by 737-800's and -900's.

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RE: Does CO N77014 Still In Peter Max Color?

Saw the Peter Max 777 in IAH 2 weeks ago....it was doing the IAH-NRT flight that sunday. It's still around!

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RE: What Caused TWA 800 To Crash?

I think Elvis did it....

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RE: Jet Acquisitions And TWA: 1 More Day

Ichan is NOT a part of the JAG group. I did hear that there is a big-name businessman that is in the group but whose name has not been made public yet. His last name is not Ichan or Lorenzo..haha. Whether this big-name is true, I don't know. We'll find out, won't we?

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RE: CO 757 CLE-LAS

CO ran a 757 briefly on one flight a day between CLE-MCO. I don't even think it was seasonal. It was a one-time schedule thing. Lord knows, we could use more in that market, though.

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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Gordon and Greg flatly stated in October that the 762 will NOT go on CLE-LGW until the new runway is built, and that won't be at least till the middle of '02 now, since the suburbs are fighting it tooth and nail. One other problem as CO sees it, is that CLE charges something like $3.72 per every 100...

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RE: United Reneges On $25 Fare

I'm reading here and on other message boads that thse people should sue if it isn't honoered? Think of how stupid that sounds!! Suing over a $25.00 fare? You're lawyers fees for one day will be 50 times that amount. If one of these people sue over this, their idiots.

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Raddog2

Why do people like you talk about everything as "rights"? UA, like any company, has every "right" to run their business as they see fit-in this case charging a change fee, like you mentioned. And they have every "right" as a business to correct an error that was honestly made. I hope UA doesn't hono...

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RE: Delta And Continental Merger

DCA-ROC, what's your opinion on an established carrier lowering prices on a route to match that of a start-up carrier? A few years back, Kiwi went into the ATL-EWR market with tons of flights and a fare of like $49.00 each way-a fare, they admitted later, they knew they couldn't make a profit at. CO...

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RE: Brenneman Comments On CLE

Actually Markus, they announced those closures befoe the first of the year, while NW and CO were still in litigation over the virtual merger. You would think that maybe something more dramatic would come out of the agreement on the stock than closing four fairly minor cities in COEX's route structur...

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RE: Brenneman Comments On CLE

I can't agree with you on the reasoning for pulling out of those four cities, Markus. I think #1, COEX doesn't think it makes sense to run RJ's in those markets in the long term, same with CAK, and that's one reason why they closed them. CAK was closed for that reason, and for ATC reasons, since CAK...

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RE: Never Split A Hub...

On a good day, CLE can handle about 40 arrivals an hour.....that's how limited. With the new runway, which, again can only come into play during VFR and marginal IFR conditions, it will increase the arrivles to prollly 60 an hour or so...

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RE: Brenneman Comments On CLE

Sure you do have a lot of O & D to some markets like ORD, but if you feed them into BKL, you take away those people connecting, and it takes away your resources that can be used at the hub. A few years back, one of the ideas floated for "enhancing" service in NE Ohio was for CO to spread out their f...

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Brenneman Comments On CLE

Article in the 2-9-01 Cleveland Plain Dealer The president of Continental Airlines said yesterday that even if it ultimately joined forces with Delta Air Lines, he would not expect that the combined airline would want to cut back in Cleveland. "I think you’re going to grow, absolutely," Greg B...

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RE: Continental Urges The Govt. To Stop Mergers

A few points here. 1. Blink182-CO does NOT want to merge with anyone if it can help it! Why whould they? They've got things running real well, and even the most amicable mergers will mess up an airline for a few years. A smart company is always looking at options, and that's what this is. 2. This is...

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B747-437B`

Name-dropper.

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RE: Cleveland & Brook Park Agree On CLE Expansion

DCA-ROC, the EPA has been studying the little creek near Hopkins for like 4 years now, and the Olmsted Falls suit want them to study it some more! It's not like this Creek is the Mighty Mississippi, for cryin' out loud! The EPA is supposedly finishing up it's report on the study, and is expected to ...

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RE: Cleveland & Brook Park Agree On CLE Expansion

First off, ROC, the IX center has been there for 70 years, so it's been there almost as long as Hopkins. It was a tank and fighter plant during WW II. They turned out a fighter every 8 minutes there. Secondly, this is NOT the deal that secures the future of Hopkins, IMHO. Right now, the city of Olms...

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RE: Continental 777's

Like [email protected] said, those are strictly training runs for pilots going to that ship. Very seldom does a plane run on a route for only a month or so. The permanent aircraft on those routes are not and probably will never be a Triple 7.

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RE: CAL/DAL Hub Structure

Ok, I might as well add my 2 cents to this one-how I missed this one, I have no clue! EWR/JFK? No brainer. EWR. Here's why: 1. The $1 billion Global Gateway project. Denote the phrase "Global". CO has a global hub in EWR now-nostops to Central and South America, the Middle East, Asia and Europe, wit...

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RE: AeroBlobeAir7

I'm the opposite thinking than AeroBlobAir7. If it's gonna happen, I'd rather see CO acquire DL, and see CO's Corporate management run the company. All you have to do is look at Gordon and Greg's record at CO-they're the best team in the industry right now-why take that out of the mix? I think that ...

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RE: David

We don't run widebodies like that simply because we don't have them. It would be nice to run a DC-10 or a 767 CLE-ORD as UA has done in the past, but UA, DL, AA and NW have widebodies coming out of their ying-yang, and can do that. We can't. We place them where they make the most sense-and that mean...

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RE: Continental MAY Acquire Delta

If DL has to settle forNW, then I can see CO going after AS for a larger presence in the west. It isn't a blockbuster like DL/CO or DL/NW, but it gives CO a truly national presence that it still lacks in the west. I don't see CO going after HP, thought, despite their past relationship. CO has taken ...

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RE: Continental MAY Acquire Delta

In such a scenario, maybe Gordon and Greg and the CO team would run such a new company, which, in my view, would be fantastic. Can you imagine what they would do for a combined CO/DL? It would be one kick-butt company. I don't know much about Mr. Mullin, but maybe some DL employees could chime and a...

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Excusair

Sure, CO is still lagging behind a little in pay, but look at it in this light: In the 6 years since Gordon and Greg took over the reins of CO-January 1995 is when that happened, my salary with CO has jumped 60%. You have to remember how far CO employees were behind 6 years ago, thanks to the likes ...

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Thomascf

Gordon and Greg reiterated that in their last roadshow in CLE. And I would imagine the would also be flown iwth a 762.

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Delta 15

Only 8 employees with perfect attendance receive the Ford Explorer, that is correct-and many simply sell them afterwards and take cash. But EVERY employee with perfect attendance receives a prize of some sort. It could be a dinner at a local restaurant, gift certificates to restuarants or stores, bu...

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Mitchell Gant, NW ELT And Travellin Man

A few more points to make. CO doesn't run routes for "political reasons". Gordon has constantly said that CO will not run routes that can't make money. CLE-LGW wouldn't exist if all CO had was a DC-10-30 to put on the route. CLE can handle widebodies. CO used to run CLE-DEN, CLE-EWR with A300's year...

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RE: Update On CO CLE-LGW

Actually, Mr. Gant, that is not correct. CO is considering adding CDG and/or FRA out of CLE. It's one reason CO demanded that CLE increase it's International Arrival area from one to three gates, which it has done. As for the timing of a 762 on CLE-LGW, it hasn't been announced, but I would imagine ...

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