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by tayser
Sun May 12, 2013 12:53 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: AC Flight 33 At MEL Now, Why?
Replies: 30
Views: 7977

RE: AC Flight 33 At MEL Now, Why?

it's up to the airline.

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by tayser
Sun May 12, 2013 12:58 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: AC Flight 33 At MEL Now, Why?
Replies: 30
Views: 7977

RE: AC Flight 33 At MEL Now, Why?

Question is: will it be stuck in MEL due to crew times? 1 hour on ground + another 1h flight time might push them over?

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by tayser
Sun May 12, 2013 12:50 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: AC Flight 33 At MEL Now, Why?
Replies: 30
Views: 7977

RE: AC Flight 33 At MEL Now, Why?

well, at least we know a 77L can do <acronym title="Vancouver - International (YVR / CYVR), Canada - British Columbia">YVR</acronym>-<acronym title="Melbourne - Tullamarine (MEL / YMML), Australia - Victoria">MEL</acronym>  <img src="http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/graphics/smilies...

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by tayser
Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas New Uniform
Replies: 69
Views: 18055

RE: Qantas New Uniform

So.... Qantas to become an Essendon FC sponsor? hah.

(yes I realise the uniform is navy, but could be mistaken for jet black).

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by tayser
Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas And Emirates- And So It Begins
Replies: 126
Views: 27948

RE: Qantas And Emirates- And So It Begins

Slot times + times to arrive back in <acronym title="Melbourne - Tullamarine (MEL / YMML), Australia - Victoria">MEL</acronym>/<acronym title="Sydney - Kingsford Smith International (Mascot) (SYD / YSSY), Australia - New South Wales">SYD</acronym>... 10:30pm departure <acronym title="London - Heathr...

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by tayser
Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread # 70
Replies: 208
Views: 29560

RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 70

A regulator should cut through the smarmy rhetoric and in that statement it looks like they did.

$0.02

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by tayser
Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Canberra Airport New Upgrade Opens This Week!
Replies: 10
Views: 3023

RE: Canberra Airport New Upgrade Opens This Week!

Nicely timed with Canberra's 100th birthday to boot.

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by tayser
Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 12K Mile Indigenous Carrier One-Stoppers Doomed?
Replies: 21
Views: 6870

RE: 12K Mile Indigenous Carrier One-Stoppers Doomed?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/flyingalex" class="quote" target="_blank">flyingalex</a> (<a href="#10" class="quote">Reply 10</a>):<br/><i>I think <acronym title="Qantas (Aust...

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by tayser
Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Domestic Widebodies
Replies: 9
Views: 3144

Australian Domestic Widebodies

I thought this might interest a.net: <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/travel/blogs/travellers-check/australia-where-big-planes-rule-the-skies-20130311-2fv8f.html" target="_blank">http://www.theage.com.au/travel/blog...rule-the-skies-20130311-2fv8f.html</a> snippets: <table border="0" align="CENTER"...

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by tayser
Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why No CX F Class To Australia?
Replies: 13
Views: 7096

RE: Why No CX F Class To Australia?

8-9 hours to Hong Kong - Business will give you a bed of some concoction - First class I can understand paying the extra on a AU-EU flight or AU-US flight, but Asia, J makes do.

$0.02

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by tayser
Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Replies: 52
Views: 12947

RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013

Getting some interesting options when you book a multi-stop trip to Europe (August/Sept) via qantas.com. using QF9 and EK407 as a base line (<acronym title="Melbourne - Tullamarine (MEL / YMML), Australia - Victoria">MEL</acronym>-<acronym title="Dubai - International (DXB / OMDB), United Arab Emira...

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by tayser
Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CZ: All CAN-Oceania Routes Are Profitable
Replies: 37
Views: 6686

RE: CZ: All CAN-Oceania Routes Are Profitable

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/prost" class="quote" target="_blank">prost</a> (<a href="#4" class="quote">Reply 4</a>):<br/><i>Do you think <acronym title="Cathay Pacific (Chi...

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by tayser
Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Replies: 52
Views: 12947

RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/airbusa322" class="quote" target="_blank">airbusa322</a> (<a href="#5" class="quote">Reply 5</a>):<br/><i>New Destination? What rubbish.</i></fo...

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by tayser
Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why No India-Australia Flights
Replies: 38
Views: 11550

RE: Why No India-Australia Flights

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/detroitflyer" class="quote" target="_blank">detroitflyer</a> (<a href="#0" class="quote">Thread starter</a>):<br/><i> I know there is a huge ind...

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by tayser
Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Ad With New Paint Job On 77W (vid)
Replies: 17
Views: 8377

RE: AA Ad With New Paint Job On 77W (vid)

Like a rip off of the latest QF ads...?

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by tayser
Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: JQ To Commence CNS-GUM?
Replies: 18
Views: 3948

RE: Rumour: JQ To Commence CNS-GUM?

with any country/region/protected territory that uses the Uncle Sam Dollar, it's always going to be a story about attracting new tourists cashed up with a higher value currency (AUD). <acronym title="Denpasar / Bali - Ngurah Rai International (DPS / WADD), Indonesia">DPS</acronym>: 6h ex <acronym ti...

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by tayser
Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Where Does/will MH Fly Its A380s To? No SYD?
Replies: 5
Views: 3516

RE: Where Does/will MH Fly Its A380s To? No SYD?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Polot" class="quote" target="_blank">Polot</a> (<a href="#4" class="quote">Reply 4</a>):<br/><i>I think they are trying to avoid the bloodbath t...

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by tayser
Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Heatwave Impacting Ops At SYD?
Replies: 21
Views: 5323

RE: Heatwave Impacting Ops At SYD?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/brons2" class="quote" target="_blank">brons2</a> (<a href="#6" class="quote">Reply 6</a>):<br/><i>I looked on Weather.com for the Sydney forecas...

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by tayser
Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: New AA Livery - Jan/17 - Part 3
Replies: 256
Views: 27995

RE: Official: New AA Livery - Jan/17 - Part 3

I actually think it's quite a handsome livery and good integration with the eagle into the logo.

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by tayser
Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Replies: 206
Views: 29972

RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/QF175" class="quote" target="_blank">QF175</a> (<a href="#1" class="quote">Reply 1</a>):<br/><i>Anyone keen to make their 2013 predictions regar...

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by tayser
Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread # 66
Replies: 206
Views: 29571

RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 66

Bold = new flight. Easy to remember flight numbers to boot! <b>SQ207 SIN0735 –> 1655MEL 333 Daily</b> SQ217 SIN0955 –> 1915MEL 388 Daily SQ227 SIN2100 –> 0620+1MEL 388 Daily SQ237 SIN2355 –> 0915+1MEL 773 Daily SQ218 MEL0005 –> 0605SIN 388 Daily SQ238 MEL1025 –> 1615SIN 773 Daily SQ228 MEL1545 –> 21...

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by tayser
Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada Official Launches LCC, Rouge
Replies: 146
Views: 25671

RE: Air Canada Official Launches LCC, Rouge

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/crosswinds21" class="quote" target="_blank">crosswinds21</a> (<a href="#6" class="quote">Reply 6</a>):<br/><i>-Booking on the <acronym title="Ai...

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by tayser
Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How Come BA Or QF Are Not Using The B777-200LR?
Replies: 44
Views: 14093

RE: How Come BA Or QF Are Not Using The B777-200LR?

The day we get aircraft (and engines) that can fly 2-3x faster than current aircraft will be the day you have Western Europe & Eastern North America to East Coast of Australia non-stop flights.

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by tayser
Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out
Replies: 176
Views: 47729

RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/airbazar" class="quote" target="_blank">airbazar</a> (<a href="#23" class="quote">Reply 23</a>):<br/><i>Looks as if a 757 and an ERJ had a baby ...

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by tayser
Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MEL's 3rd Runway Preference Announced: 9R/27L
Replies: 26
Views: 6877

RE: MEL's 3rd Runway Preference Announced: 9R/27L

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/zeke" class="quote" target="_blank">zeke</a> (<a href="#18" class="quote">Reply 18</a>):<br/><i>Crews can always ask for whatever runway is oper...

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by tayser
Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MEL's 3rd Runway Preference Announced: 9R/27L
Replies: 26
Views: 6877

RE: MEL's 3rd Runway Preference Announced: 9R/27L

^ mainly asking cos I'm wondering if the same kind of operation will be used even after a long parallel runway is built (at present 9/27 can be handling most departure/arrival, but the odd flight will land/take off on 16/34 as it's much longer)

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by tayser
Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MEL's 3rd Runway Preference Announced: 9R/27L
Replies: 26
Views: 6877

RE: MEL's 3rd Runway Preference Announced: 9R/27L

now here's a question for anyone who knows the answer / able to calculate it: VA23 and QF93 (<acronym title="Melbourne - Tullamarine (MEL / YMML), Australia - Victoria">MEL</acronym> - <acronym title="Los Angeles - International (LAX / KLAX), USA - California">LAX</acronym>), EK407 (<acronym title="...

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by tayser
Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MEL's 3rd Runway Preference Announced: 9R/27L
Replies: 26
Views: 6877

RE: MEL's 3rd Runway Preference Announced: 9R/27L

The construction labour costs in Melbourne & Brisbane are under the same pressure (FIFO people), I dare say it's mainly the issue that <acronym title="Brisbane (- Eagle Farm) (BNE / YBBN), Australia - Queensland">BNE</acronym> is on Moreton Bay & the mangroves as stated earlier. Likewise uni...

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by tayser
Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MEL's 3rd Runway Preference Announced: 9R/27L
Replies: 26
Views: 6877

RE: MEL's 3rd Runway Preference Announced: 9R/27L

The Herald Sun looks to be stiring up some opposition already, interviewing people who live in an area that for years on the Melway street directories has even had a warning that specific alignments will be subject to greater aviation noise....

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by tayser
Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MEL's 3rd Runway Preference Announced: 9R/27L
Replies: 26
Views: 6877

MEL's 3rd Runway Preference Announced: 9R/27L

straight from the horse's mouth: <a href="http://melbourneairport.com.au/News-Events/Listing/Overview/melbourne-airport-announces-third-runway-preference.html" target="_blank">http://melbourneairport.com.au/News-...unces-third-runway-preference.html</a> <table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" c...

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by tayser
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread # 65
Replies: 199
Views: 8753

RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

The other interesting tidbit - 32k people are going to Canada via another port (well they have to!) and it's the equivalent of 88 people per day - less than half a 787 load (that <acronym title="Air Canada">AC</acronym> has talked about flying here in the past), 3x weekly might have a good demand/su...

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by tayser
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread # 65
Replies: 199
Views: 8753

RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 65

despite impending loss of <acronym title="Korean Air">KE</acronym>, growth in international still occurring <a href="http://www.routes-news.com/news/item/786-asian-traffic-drives-growth-at-melbourne-airport" target="_blank">http://www.routes-news.com/news/item...drives-growth-at-melbourne-airport</a...

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by tayser
Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Singapore Airlines / Virgin Australia Announcement
Replies: 75
Views: 16842

RE: Singapore Airlines / Virgin Australia Announcement

So we're back to an effective duopoly.

At least now Tiger will be able to fly internationally with more than 50% Australian ownership. Tiger to Nyoo Zuhland bru?

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by tayser
Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TK Orders 15+5 77W
Replies: 82
Views: 20124

RE: TK Orders 15+5 77W

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/NZ107" class="quote" target="_blank">NZ107</a> (<a href="#19" class="quote">Reply 19</a>):<br/><i>I think I read somewhere a while ago that Melb...

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by tayser
Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread # 64
Replies: 205
Views: 26352

RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 64

<a href="http://melbourneairport.com.au/About-Melbourne-Airport/Media/Media-releases/melbourne-airport-achieves-6-per-cent-total-passenger-growth-for-first-quarter.html" target="_blank">http://melbourneairport.com.au/About...nger-growth-for-first-quarter.html</a> 6% in Q1, 8% in Sept @ <acronym titl...

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by tayser
Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thai - Struggles To Find A380 Role
Replies: 125
Views: 37567

RE: Thai - Struggles To Find A380 Role

If anything they could drop the midnight 2nd daily (mainly only a few times weekly at the moment - TG462/461) <acronym title="Bangkok - Suvarnabhumi International (BKK / VTBS), Thailand">BKK</acronym>-<acronym title="Melbourne - Tullamarine (MEL / YMML), Australia - Victoria">MEL</acronym> flight an...

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by tayser
Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Avalon Goes International
Replies: 3
Views: 2305

RE: Avalon Goes International

AVV International Facilities + Expansion (by tayser Oct 12 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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by tayser
Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AVV International Facilities + Expansion
Replies: 2
Views: 1820

RE: AVV International Facilities + Expansion

AVV as it stands right now: <a href="http://maps.google.com.au/?ll=-38.026273,144.474517&spn=0.00731,0.016512&t=h&z=17" target="_blank">http://maps.google.com.au/?ll=-38.02...4517&spn=0.00731,0.016512&t=h&z=17</a> As per the render looks to be 3 international gates to the eas...

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by tayser
Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AVV International Facilities + Expansion
Replies: 2
Views: 1820

AVV International Facilities + Expansion

Geelong vote pork barrelling from the Victorian state government more than anything. <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-news/international-recognition-avalon-no-longer-the-air-apparent-20121012-27hm4.html" target="_blank">http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...e-air-apparent-20121012-27...

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by tayser
Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is Qantas Likely To Order The MAX?
Replies: 48
Views: 10412

RE: Is Qantas Likely To Order The MAX?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/VC10er" class="quote" target="_blank">VC10er</a> (<a href="#5" class="quote">Reply 5</a>):<br/><i>Perhaps this question is for another thread or...

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by tayser
Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada Announces Plan For International Growth
Replies: 72
Views: 22948

RE: Air Canada Announces Plan For International Growth

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/RP+TPA" class="quote" target="_blank">RP TPA</a> (<a href="#53" class="quote">Reply 53</a>):<br/><i>I believe the current US-Canada bilateral al...

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by tayser
Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas To Keep FRA Until October 2013
Replies: 22
Views: 7523

RE: Qantas To Keep FRA Until October 2013

the new QF35/36 <acronym title="Melbourne - Tullamarine (MEL / YMML), Australia - Victoria">MEL</acronym>-<acronym title="Singapore - Changi (SIN / WSSS), Singapore">SIN</acronym>-<acronym title="Melbourne - Tullamarine (MEL / YMML), Australia - Victoria">MEL</acronym> arrives just before 8pm in <ac...

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by tayser
Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread # 64
Replies: 205
Views: 26352

RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 64

EK406/407 now an A380: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/Emirates?fref=ts" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Emirates?fref=ts</a> <a href="http://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/292807_279530772156679_160369965_n.jpg" target="_blank">http://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.ne...07_2795...

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by tayser
Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread # 63
Replies: 213
Views: 29484

RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 63

<a href="http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/does-tulla-make-it-as-a-highflyer-20120928-26r2x.html" target="_blank">http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/do...as-a-highflyer-20120928-26r2x.html</a> <table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Ge...

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by tayser
Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport Name Changes
Replies: 86
Views: 12908

RE: Airport Name Changes

for any Australian, or person who has knowledge of the subject: <acronym title="Sydney - Kingsford Smith International (Mascot) (SYD / YSSY), Australia - New South Wales">SYD</acronym>. How long has it been known as KSIA (Kingsford Smith International Airport)? <acronym title="Sydney - Kingsford Smi...

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by tayser
Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread # 63
Replies: 213
Views: 29484

RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 63

And the announcement: <a href="http://melbourneairport.com.au/News-Events/Listing/Overview/melbourne-airport-warmly-welcomes-sichuan-airlines-to-australia.html" target="_blank">http://melbourneairport.com.au/News-...sichuan-airlines-to-australia.html</a> <table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" ...

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by tayser
Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada "lc" Airline...Speculation On Routes?
Replies: 74
Views: 16524

RE: Air Canada "lc" Airline...Speculation On Routes?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/RWA380" class="quote" target="_blank">RWA380</a> (<a href="#18" class="quote">Reply 18</a>):<br/><i> Why do airlines keep trying to offer the lo...

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by tayser
Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread # 63
Replies: 213
Views: 29484

RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 63

MEL-<acronym title="Chengdu (- Shuangliu) (CTU / ZUUU), China">CTU</acronym> 3x weekly likely to be announced according to The Age: <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/business/chinese-vie-for-bigger-slice-of-airline-pie-20120920-268l9.html" target="_blank">http://www.theage.com.au/business/ch...of-ai...

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by tayser
Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread # 63
Replies: 213
Views: 29484

RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 63

With Ballieu's trade mission to China, it's rumoured <acronym title="Melbourne - Tullamarine (MEL / YMML), Australia - Victoria">MEL</acronym> will be first to get non-stop service to <acronym title="Chengdu (- Shuangliu) (CTU / ZUUU), China">CTU</acronym> or <acronym title="Chongqing (- Jiangbei) (...

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by tayser
Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA A320 & 77W Video
Replies: 75
Views: 14134

RE: AA A320 & 77W Video

I hope AA never change their livery!

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