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by Okcflyer
Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:57 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Overloading Airliners - easily possible?
Replies: 13
Views: 2571

Re: Overloading Airliners - easily possible?

I’m curious about the real time performance comparison the newer models are doing. How big of a performance deviation before it alarms? Do modern predictive maintenance systems use this info at all? Most if not all predictive monitoring is around non-structural parts. But it would be interesting if ...

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by Okcflyer
Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Could we see UA add more routes to Europe out of DEN when Europe reopens? DEN is now UA's largest market and we could see this continue after COVID19. Before COVID DEN had CDG on DY. Could we see them try CDG or AMS with all the domestic connections DEN provides to the West? DEN seems to make more ...

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by Okcflyer
Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

@ Sldispatcher suggest UA should restore more service and that is one option. But NK charging $70 dollars for a one way ticket and UA charging $70 dollars for a one way ticket will have to totally different outcomes. That $70 dollar ticket might be a good price for NK but it is a terrible price for...

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by Okcflyer
Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Let410 crash in South Sudan kills 10
Replies: 15
Views: 4555

Re: Let410 crash in South Sudan kills 10

Such a sad set of circumstances. Is it normal to have so much soot / oil on the wing just aft of the #1 engine?

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by Okcflyer
Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Although no final decision has been made yet I'm hear there is a strong possibility the entire GE 77E fleet will be reactivated. Not hearing anything no rumors at all about the 764s but I'll keep my ears open. That makes the most sense. Reactivating the 764s to cover the 777s going OOS would result...

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by Okcflyer
Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Wouldn't the better option to bring more GE 772s online vs 764s if the lift from those frames is needed; especially considering the number of pilots affected? Considering there are more 757/767’s than 777 parked, I doubt pilot shortage is a major issue. If so, then yes the GE 777 make a bit more se...

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by Okcflyer
Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

It looks like for now the PW engine 777s will remain grounded through March 6th. This is all preliminary information for all we know the grounding could be extended. Right now United position is to get this right especially after every engine was already inspected in accordance with FAA guidelines ...

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by Okcflyer
Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA328 engine explosion at DEN
Replies: 607
Views: 113641

Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

This is a very good read. P&W had a problem with their inspection process historically. http://aerossurance.com/safety-management/ndi-failures-b777-pw4077-fbo/ P&W developed the TAI inspection process in about 2005 to be able to inspect the interior surfaces of the hollow core PW4000 fan bla...

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by Okcflyer
Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA328 engine explosion at DEN
Replies: 607
Views: 113641

Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

This was a 772 (non-ER) model. Max thrust is ~ 77klbs. The engines on it should be ER spec later models capable of ~92klbs thrust, derated down to the 77klbs required for the early frame model. Fan speed (rpm), and thereby thrust, for this 77A application is slower than if the same engine was instal...

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by Okcflyer
Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Are there any aircraft coming back from being parked to pick up the 772A slack? My non-expert thought is the new inspections could be completed before the parked airplanes could be brought out of mothballs. I was wondering that. I assume the 764's would take some time to get back in the air. I was ...

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by Okcflyer
Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Adds SNA-HNL

A321neo would be limited to between 82-86T take-off weight. Rough calculations say that's not going to be enough for a ETOPS flight to the islands with a profitable payload. It needs to be much closer to 90T. A320neo may be able to do it at about 150pax but I cannot think of any US carrier with ETOP...

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by Okcflyer
Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:30 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Do ground vehicles in airports run on jet fuel or regular diesel?
Replies: 31
Views: 4069

Re: Do ground vehicles in airports run on jet fuel or regular diesel?

Besides all the technical issues there are legal issues. At least where I live, jet fuel is taxed differently to diesel or gasoline. Pretty sure this is why they told us to stop fueling diesel GSE with jet fuel. Same as using the red farm fuel in trucks that are not just used around a farm. If the ...

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by Okcflyer
Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:27 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Do ground vehicles in airports run on jet fuel or regular diesel?
Replies: 31
Views: 4069

Re: Do ground vehicles in airports run on jet fuel or regular diesel?

While the de-icing truck engines are likely diesel, gasoline, or natural gas, what fuel do the fluid heaters use? I imagine that's an easy one to use Jet A in -- if the logistics of having separate fuel tanks and method of filling the trucks make sense. Does anyone have a cost comparison per gallon ...

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by Okcflyer
Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:23 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Do ground vehicles in airports run on jet fuel or regular diesel?
Replies: 31
Views: 4069

Re: Do ground vehicles in airports run on jet fuel or regular diesel?

The military doesn’t use jet a. The army and Air Force use JP-8/F34 as part of the DoD single fuel concept. the navy uses JP5/F44 for its aircraft afloat due to its higher flashpoint, with its ships using NATO F76, using JP5 if F76 is not available. Aircraft coming from ashore will most likely have...

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by Okcflyer
Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Adds SNA-HNL

keoki wrote:
SWADawg wrote:
Look for WN to respond with their own SNA-HNL as well.


WN will use LGB which is less than 30 miles away with no weight restrictions with a full 800.


30 miles in the LA area is unpalatable for most. That’s not “close” by any local definition.

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by Okcflyer
Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Adds SNA-HNL

Look for WN to respond with their own SNA-HNL as well. Not unless they have an ETOPS 700 lying around. The 800 takes a pretty good penalty out of SNA which is why airliners haven't served the Hawaiian market out of SNA with the 800. Both aloha and UA used the 700 last time. Although with the light ...

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by Okcflyer
Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Adds SNA-HNL

Not unless they have an ETOPS 700 lying around. The 800 takes a pretty good penalty out of SNA which is why airliners haven't served the Hawaiian market out of SNA with the 800. Both aloha and UA used the 700 last time. Although with the light booking maybe it makes sense to try with an 800 since i...

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by Okcflyer
Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

All Max flights are out/off OT so far.. ok? Was there an expectation they wouldn't be? There is almost always higher risk of unexpected issues when introducing new fleet types or something has been grounded. For example, when UA first introduced the Max and for several months thereafter (and maybe ...

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by Okcflyer
Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL 717 slides off taxiway @ PIT
Replies: 74
Views: 15738

Re: DL 717 slides off taxiway @ PIT

I take it the rear fold-down stairs were never installed on the 717 series? I find it interesting they used air stairs at the rear door. On the plus side, at least the 717 has the rear exit door. Made this one far safer for the pax and rescue crews

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by Okcflyer
Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread
Replies: 398
Views: 41370

Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

It strikes me as a plane for an organization that doesn't pay for it's own fuel and doesn't need much speed or range. It is as simple as a 20,000lb twin turbine airplane can be. Low-tech strutted wing, fixed gear, unpressurized, with very big engines (to deal with ice and fit with jets in terminal ...

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by Okcflyer
Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread
Replies: 398
Views: 41370

Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Lightsaber: All the cargo BT-67's are being operated in arctic conditions. I believe that there are only 4 of them at this point, with several more ordered. I understand current cost is about $9 Million. The operators either used to operate DC 3's or in some cases still do alongside the new BT-67's...

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by Okcflyer
Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

With many reports discussing that international travel will now stay mostly closed until 2023, how will this affect the UA fleet and network? Will they need as many hubs in the next few years with international travel staying at a minimum? Will they just keep hubs dormant until international travel...

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by Okcflyer
Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

(My last flight EWR to LAX on a 78J the pilot told me this the 78J burns about the sand fuel as a 737 on the same route! Was he pulling my leg?) Major leg plug. Not even close. The 78J would burn about as much as a 763/764 would on the route. Plus side, the 78J is obviously quite a bit larger and m...

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by Okcflyer
Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:36 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why did Airbus switch to winglets so late in the A320
Replies: 53
Views: 8180

Re: Why did Airbus switch to winglets so late in the A320

While blended wingtip look simple, they're a tricky subject and it took years (err decades) to refine and develop effective modeling (CFD, etc) to be able to rapidly iterate and produce optimized solutions. Aviation Partners Inc (API) was an early leader in this field. In the late 90's, they entered...

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by Okcflyer
Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

The March schedule has been published The March schedule confirms United is shifting focus for spring break from Mexico beach destinations and the Caribbean shift capacity over to Florida, Arizona, and other spring break destinations within the lower 48. Again for those who are willing to risk test...

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by Okcflyer
Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

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by Okcflyer
Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 4Q20 $/ops comparisons AA/DL/UA/WN/AS/B6
Replies: 29
Views: 6840

Re: 4Q20 $/ops comparisons AA/DL/UA/WN/AS/B6

United's performance is poor by these metrics; greatest reduction of ASM + the largest drop of pax revenue. Yield is lowest of the 3 large legacy carriers. It's not clear whether the capacity cutting lead to the revenue reduction due undesirable scheduling, network connectivity loss, etc or whether ...

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by Okcflyer
Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread
Replies: 398
Views: 41370

Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Just gonna throw this out of left field. Something I've been thinking about since this aircraft has been announced. What's the likelihood of Amazon buying a couple for communities just out of trucking reach but not big enough for 737 or 767? Amazon has warehouses scattered all throughout America so...

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by Okcflyer
Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ecuador TAME to be liquidated
Replies: 29
Views: 6556

Re: Ecuador TAME to be liquidated

https://www.nlarenas.com/2021/01/inicio ... s-tame-ep/


I suspect that E190 is the damaged one sitting in Cuenca that slid off the runway ~2016.
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LAXintl wrote:
TAME fleet being auctioned off.

You can pick up a EMB190 for as low as $812,350.90

Full list:
https://www.nlarenas.com/2021/01/inicio ... s-tame-ep/


I suspect that E190 is the damaged one sitting in Cuenca that slid off the runway ~2016.

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by Okcflyer
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:29 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Abbreviation/Acronym "SIP"
Replies: 4
Views: 1807

Re: Abbreviation/Acronym "SIP"

Are you sure it wasn't "SID" that you heard? It stands for Standard Instrument Departure. These are published departure procedures that help reduce controller workload, improve traffic flow, and increase safety.

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by Okcflyer
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Last fall I had multiple fairly large shipments (UN3091 DG items) from SIN to DFW or IAH. Ours all went via Taiwan on EVA.

Any word on when the March schedule will be finalized?

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by Okcflyer
Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Agree. We are looking at a very slow recovery for international. The best thing that UA can hope for coming out of this pandemic-related downturn is to make progress in transforming DEN, and IAH (to a lesser extent), into powerhouse domestic hubs approaching the scale of AA (CLT/DFW) and DL (ATL). ...

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by Okcflyer
Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

I think GRU to west coast is better for SFO for the numerous Asian connections. For LAX, I think HKG and SIN will return by 2025. I could definitely see UA returning on LAX-HKG. However, that SIN flight will never come back. That flight was heavily reliant on biz pax when it operated, and needed to...

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by Okcflyer
Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Someone from the hospitality business is good. The airlines collectively have a reputation for being inhospitable, despite efforts to be customer friendly they still fall short. Good move. I think your statement was true 10-20 years ago, but isn't true today. In my industry, we're trying to copy so...

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by Okcflyer
Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

I wonder how load factors are? We flew back DEN-IAH this past Sunday and the A320 was 100% full. Not a single open seat. On the way up, the 753 had about 195pax on board.

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by Okcflyer
Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:01 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: What are some lesser known differences of 1st generation Boeing 777 and 2nd generation of Boeing 777?
Replies: 17
Views: 4518

Re: What are some lesser known differences of 1st generation Boeing 777 and 2nd generation of Boeing 777?

Interesting! I remember getting a book as a kid that had the 777 shown with the wings foldable (Aircrafts of the World or something like that). Amazing that this was designed 20+ years ago. The current folding wing tip design is a completely different design than that original 777-200 folding wing ...

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by Okcflyer
Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:30 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: A350-1000 fuel burn
Replies: 179
Views: 38242

Re: A350-1000 fuel burn

what about 772ER vs 77W? if you say 35K overcapable (with range?) so 359 must be as well to. The 77E vs 77W is the OPPOSITE case. The 77W features a half-generation newer engines, significant L/D reduction due to raked wingtips, and other PIPs / enhancements. The 77W barely uses more fuel than a 77...

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by Okcflyer
Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:20 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: A350-1000 fuel burn
Replies: 179
Views: 38242

Re: A350-1000 fuel burn

What is so special about the 35K that it does not follow the falling CASM logic according to you? Because it doesn’t lose capability (payload/range) as a simple stretch would. Fred Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Thanks. So the weight gain to retain capability does fully offset any CASM advantag...

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by Okcflyer
Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Looks like UA has been sending 752's to UIO. I've been traveling back and forth to Ecuador for 8 years and this is the first time i've seen 752's regularly. More perplexing to me, the seat maps show plenty of seats open. The 738's could have done it without being "crowded". I wonder what'...

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by Okcflyer
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:36 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: A350-1000 fuel burn
Replies: 179
Views: 38242

Re: A350-1000 fuel burn

The A35K's strongest competitor is the A359 (especially later builds). What would the trip fuel had been for the A359 for the above trip photo-documented? Per several analysis, there is very little, if any, per-seat fuel burn advantage of the K over the 9. Without a unit cost advantage, the primary...

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by Okcflyer
Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Looks like UA has been sending 752's to UIO. I've been traveling back and forth to Ecuador for 8 years and this is the first time i've seen 752's regularly. More perplexing to me, the seat maps show plenty of seats open. The 738's could have done it without being "crowded". I wonder what's...

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by Okcflyer
Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:30 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: A350-1000 fuel burn
Replies: 179
Views: 38242

Re: A350-1000 fuel burn

The A35K's strongest competitor is the A359 (especially later builds). What would the trip fuel had been for the A359 for the above trip photo-documented? Per several analysis, there is very little, if any, per-seat fuel burn advantage of the K over the 9. Without a unit cost advantage, the primary ...

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by Okcflyer
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Would a longer 777-8 do better?
Replies: 61
Views: 10762

Re: Would a longer 777-8 do better?

If the 779 beats engineering estimates for performance (aka spec), that kills every viable business case for a smaller frame size for the passenger market. The only viable market would be a freighter, which needs hefty MTOW & MLW increases to compete against the classic 77F model. If the 779 onl...

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by Okcflyer
Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

The 17 MAX-8s supposedly are already built but awaiting Mods. They were all built in 2020... Which mods? -Tail wiring and software update as per the ungrounding requirements? -UA-spec cockpit & airplane compliance (conversation from initial build spec to UA spec?) -UA interior installation? -Pa...

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by Okcflyer
Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

The 17 MAX-8s supposedly are already built but awaiting Mods. They were all built in 2020... Which mods? -Tail wiring and software update as per the ungrounding requirements? -UA-spec cockpit & airplane compliance (conversation from initial build spec to UA spec?) -UA interior installation? -Pa...

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by Okcflyer
Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q1 2021
Replies: 1569
Views: 241444

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - 2021 (Q1)

Does anyone have insights on UA's fuel hedging strategy? Oil is up 10-15% over it's 12M running average. Depending on their hedging strategy, this could put pressure on fuel optimization strategies pretty quickly (MAX in service, 763's instead of 777/789 unless revenue actually warrants, etc), and s...

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by Okcflyer
Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 61
Views: 6995

Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2020

A hypothetical MCI-HNL would be seasonable (summer) and therefore avoid the worst of winter winds. The A321LR can definitely do it. I think the standard A321 should be able to do it with very little blocks. 737-8 should also be capable with limited blocks in the summer. Keep in mind the 3800nm range...

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by Okcflyer
Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air Boeing 737 skids off runway in Indonesia
Replies: 59
Views: 14456

Re: Lion Air Boeing 737 skids off runway in Indonesia

I think the more accurate description is "Lion Air pilots find ditch while back-taxiing on runway". I'm wondering if they mistook the edge marking lights (assuming the runway had them) as centerline lights. Given the speed and location, I imagine this is a "visibility" issue. Oth...

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by Okcflyer
Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:48 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Upper Deck Boeing 747-400BCF
Replies: 36
Views: 5308

Re: Upper Deck Boeing 747-400BCF

Quite the contrary. If you are carrying livestock, such as expensive racehorses, you could have one groom/horse and a vet. Likewise, expensive cargo could also have a courier with it. Withoujt seats, you couldn't carry them. How would these personnel be carried on other cargo aircraft like a 777F, ...

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by Okcflyer
Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Person jumps fence at LAS, jumps on AS 737
Replies: 86
Views: 15041

Re: Person jumps fence at LAS, jumps on AS 737

I suppose it's possible that airport police train to use deicing trucks, or any other on-property bucket trucks, for incidents like this. That would have given LEO secured access to the suspect. If he/she responds to commands (hands up, back up to my voice), he/she could handcuff while still secured...

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