Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

Check this stunning paint-scheme on Avianca named: Surf city El Salvador.

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juanchito wrote:

Maybe Managua from Costa Rica or El Salvador.

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avi8 wrote:

I think SJO also had E190 flights to SAP/MGA.

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The hypothesis posted above for CM makes sense.
Recent routes operated on HP-1530CMP, Boeing 73G: PTY-SJO, PTY-DAV and PTY-SAP.
These segments were flown on the E90-jets before.

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Does anyone know why they came back and how long they will stay with the airline? This is only my interpretation: 1. Their 100-seater Embraer 190 are no longer in service, since 2020. CM currently operates up to five 73G for their low-density routes. The airline may deploy these 73Gs until the next...

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SAL-HAV, SAL-EWR and SAL-CUN were also operated in the past. For the case of San Salvador, SAL-SFO, SAL-JFK, SAL-LAX and SAL-IAD have a robust presence on AV. AV SAL-OAK seems to be also a route oriented to the point to point traffic as back-up for the bulky SAL-LAX segment. They're now deploying th...

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Bear in mind SAL-CTG, SAL-CLO and SAL-BOS were dropped in 2019, before the Covid-19 era.
That wasn't a smart experiment.

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SJO and CTG have the potential to form a touristic circuit which may generate significant traffic. I see potential in that route. We'll pay attention in the performance of the upcoming AV SJO-CTG 4x weekly and AV SJO-MDE 3x weekly from March 27. The SJO-CUN route as non-stop was zero, five years ag...

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AV SAL-CTG failed in 2019 and prior to the Covid-19 era. My concern is for the upcoming AV SJO-CTG 4x weekly, based purely on the point to point traffic. The demand of passengers doesn't seem to be enough, in order to operate it sustainably. I didn't find too much differences among SAL-CTG and SJO-C...

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Most of their routes resumed in 2021 from SJO were dropped, since the TA-AV merger in 2012: SJO-LAX, SJO-JFK, SJO-MIA and SJO-MEX. However, in the last 10 years other competitors rapidly entered to the same market. Let's analize the situation for Los Angeles - San Jose. LAX-SJO in 2012 as non-stop s...

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MIA-GUA/SAL/SAP have been operating sin October 2021. If I'm not mistaken, GUA was 4x weekly, SAL 3x weekly and SAP 4x weekly. Yes, but NK MIA-SAL doesn't report operations this week, based on some reliable sources monitoring the current traffic world-wide. San Pedro Sula appears as the Central Ame...

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Spirit recently announced the opening of NK MIA-SJO, on a weekly basis.
The airline is boosting the Central American service out of Miami: NK MIA-GUA 1x weekly, NK MIA-SAP 3x weekly and NK MIA-XPL 4x weekly.
NK keep their [Ft. Lauderdale - Central America] flights, speaking about South Florida.

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One more hypothesis that sustains why Copa Airlines would never utilize long-haul equipments. They usually launch two 738s simultaneously, in their high density routes. Both planes may cater up to 300 passengers, in average. Santiago - Panama City CM 118.....SCL 05.48....10.30 PTY...738 CM 112.....S...

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juanchito wrote:

Tikal Jets flew to CUN via FRS

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avi8 wrote:

when in fact CUN goes double daily.

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2travel2know2 wrote:

DIdn't UA flew that route once?

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If I recall correctly, the former TACA did operate the GUA-ORD sector, in the past.
It was basically served as TA SAL-ORD.
AV is not operating [Chicago - Central America] at this time.
Back to the ORD-GUA segment, the market really exists there, regarding AA ORD-GUA and UA ORD-GUA.

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So Avianca hasn't demonstrated interest into the GUA-MEX again, despite the demise of Interjet.
This route is served by AM MEX-GUA and Q6 MEX-GUA.

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Happy new year 2022 to all the posters and readers of this board ! Recapitulation of the 2021 Central american civil aviation. Please, let me know if something has been missing. I didn't check if all the routes actually started as planned. January 08: UA LAX-LIR 3x weekly, 739 NEW January 09: UA LAX...

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Dallas/Ft. Worth couldn't be fairly compared to Atlanta, given the potential supplied by Copa Airlines. AA DFW-PTY is not in service anymore and it poorly worked in the past, taking into account the limited demand of passengers. Based on the interline agreement between DL-CM, the CM PTY-ATL is not e...

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CM to ATL 1st flight was this past Sunday Dec 12. The brand new sector called CM PTY-ATL was surprisingly launched first than the resumption of CM PTY-MSY, which is being programmed for 2022. I've always thought Copa Airlines may run successfully, in many US stations like Atlanta. Based on some ear...

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On December 11th 2021, Palmerola International airport [MHPR/XPL] in Comayagua, formally started their commercial operations as the imminent substitution of Toncontin. This airport would serve Tegucigalpa. NK 1314 routed as IAH-XPL became the first revenue flight operating there. Equipment: Airbus 3...

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The omicron Covid variant hasn't stopped yet the normal operations of the Central American airports.
The impact seems to be mininal, in the near future.

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Belize is strengthening its US network, allowing new destinations and weekly frequencies at this time: Los Angeles: AS LAX-BZE 3x + AA LAX-BZE 1x Seattle: AS SEA-BZE 2x Houston: WN HOU-BZE 7x + UA IAH-BZE 14x Dallas / Ft.Worth: AA DFW-BZE 7x Denver: WN DEN-BZE 1x + UA DEN-BZE 4x Chicago: UA ORD-BZE ...

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Did they actually had service JFK-LIR at some point? I think the route was announced just before the pandemic started. B6 JFK-LIR. 4x weekly. Started: November 2011. B6 JFK-SJO. 4x weekly. Started: November 2019. AA JFK-SJO. 7x weekly. Started: November 2019. AA JFK-LIR. 1x weekly. Started: Decembe...

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So, TS YYZ-RIH will resume on December 13th.
The same date when TS YUL-LIR would start again.
Furthermore, TS YUL-SAL will begin on December 16th.
All these flights would be operating on a seasonal basis.

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LATAM hasn’t resumed yet the LP LIM- SJO service.
Before March 2020, AV LIM-SAL was operated up to 14x weekly. One of the couple of these daily flights sent the Airbus 330.

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Avianca will resume their Central American flights out of Lima, Peru:

AV LIM-SAL. 320, 1x weekly. Effective: December 17.
AV LIM-SJO. 320, 1x weekly. Effective: January 22.

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Aeromar will start operations in Guatemala and Honduras. Flights will be operated by Aeromar on behave of AeroRutaMaya from Guatemala Starting December 1. GUA-FRS 10 weekly GUA-SAP 4 weekly FRS-CUN 3 weekly Flights will be like this on Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Santurdays GUA-FRS-GUA-SAP-G...

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We won't see this sight anymore in Tegucigalpa.

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Honduras just inaugurated Palmerola airport on October 15th as the substitution of Toncontin, Tegucigalpa. The airport is localated in Comayagua and lies 75km from capital city. IATA: XPL, OACI: MHPR It's also known as Enrique Soto Cano airport and even operates as a military air base for the US and...

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Interesting to see this happen pretty soon after CM announced it will fly to ATL. CM PTY-ATL, DL JFK-PTY, DL MCO-PTY and DL LAX-PTY. That doesn't seem to be new ways of cooperation between themselves, but they're likely rivalizing in the same markets. Let's study the amount of their weekly flights,...

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CM has codeshare partner agreement with KLM and Air France so not sure if they can extend with Delta given CM conection with Star Alliance CM doesn't hold code-share agreements with DL by now, but an interline service. CM sustains multiple code-share and interline agreements, disregarding if the ai...

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So SJO is returning to its former status on TA. Based on the recent movements of the airline, that technical decision taken in 2013 was a complete mistake. The dual operations of San Salvador and San Jose have never looked as an efficient model of transportation. Both SAL and SJO worked slightly sim...

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Avianca will start San Jose - Cancun service. SJO 07.55.....11.25 CUN...Tu, Th, Sa CUN 12.50....14.25 SJO....Tu, Th, Sa Effective: December 02nd. AV SJO-CUN 3x weekly will complement the massive new services posted by AV for December 2021. This route is currently served by Volaris / Volaris Costa Ri...

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embraer175e2 wrote:

Is it still like that? 2 times 30 kg?

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COPA Airlines offered in the past up to two checked bags of 30 kilograms for free. Same on TACA. The conclusion was that someone traveling on CM had more flexibility to carry more cargo. However, this baggage allowance policy didn't fit perfectly in their E90s. I couldn't find accurate sources in or...

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What was the reasoning for going for E190 instead of B737-600 when CM could have kept fleet commonality with different capacity aircraft models with almost the same range. The Embraer 190 was more efficient than other 100-seater jets, in terms of fuel consumption: Boeing 737-600, Boeing 717, Sukhoi...

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danielair00 wrote:

Edelweiss will begin a 1X flight to LIR on sundays flying a triangular route ZRH-SJO-LIR-ZRH. SJO

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Historically, AA PHX-SJO and DL MSP-LIR have worked from December til March or so.
We haven't found the seasonal AA PHL-SJO for 2021.

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Thank you all for your inputs ! The Central American landscape will experience huge modifications, in terms of resumptions and new brand routes to the end of 2021. Some of them may change due to Government approvals and technical reasons without notice. Copa Airlines hasn't started again some of the...

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The ties between New Orleans and Honduras are more historical than current. Outside Honduras, there aren’t many ties between New Orleans and Latin America. I agree. New Orleans was one of the main gateways linking the United States and Central America, more than 35 years ago. The demand of passenge...

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Braniff International and Eastern Air Lines flew the PTY-MSY sector, so many years ago. The commercial ties between New Orleans and Central America are historically focused in Honduras. NK MSY-SAP 3x weekly started in July as scheduled flights. The same route was attended in the past by TACA and SAH...

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FlyingSicilian wrote:

I think WN was flying HOU BZE so will restart from there not IAH (WN does serve IAH again). UA does IAH BZE of course.

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More resumptions till the end of the year: October 01: LP LIM-SJO. Resumes October 02: WS YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes October 09: AC YYZ-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes October 13: AC YYZ-SJO. Resumes. November 01: AC YUL-SJO, Resumes November 01: WG YYZ-LIR 1x weekly + WG YUL-LIR 1x weekly. Resumes November ...

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Here's the comprehensive list about the resumption of the destinations temporarily canceled on Copa Airlines. Possible changes might occur without further notice and pending the respective government approval. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/9785/9RDTvE.jpg Update: I had posted the resumptio...

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ATL for CM is a surprise. I really think so. The model of CM is based on loading planes through PTY with passengers coming from abroad. However, DL has a decent Latin American coverage from Atlanta, even though their weekly supply of flights is not the same before March 2020, in most cases. Regards.

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REDHL wrote:

Copa will not resume its flights to MSY due to relatively low seat load factors.

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The [Charlotte - Central America] service is seasonal.
It's not working at this time.
Their weekly flights to the region are limited.



Edited on September 09, 2021.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

I found this source elaborated by European Aviation Safety Agency , in 2007. They did a comparision between the Embraer 170/175/190/195 series. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/7490/KyZWEa.jpg The Embraer 190 had been utilized for Copa Airlines in overwater operations, like CM PTY-KIN, CM PTY-...