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by tommy1808
Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter
Replies: 1801
Views: 302056

Re: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter

Who says the 7 need to go to one customer? Looking at their customer base and also A350-operators I see potential customers in: * Ethiopian Airlines (large A350 operator as well as B777F-operator. They are in the process of deciding on the B777X and A350-1000 and rumours are the A350 is the front-r...

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by tommy1808
Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Brussels Airlines New Livery
Replies: 212
Views: 41621

Re: Brussels Airlines “New Chapter”

I don't an XLR could make it from Brussels to New Delhi, I think a fully loaded one could fly to places like Tehran or Dubai. Both are less than 9 hours flying time and should be well within MZFW range of the XLR. best regards Thomas If I am not wrong, MZFW is the range without usable fuel onboard....

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by tommy1808
Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 vs E-195E2 in 2021, market battle finally won by Airbus ?
Replies: 81
Views: 12538

Re: A220 vs E-195E2 in 2021, market battle finally won by Airbus ?

viewtopic.php?t=1460947

best regards
Thomas
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PDPsol wrote:
- E2 offers substantially lower acquisition, and therefore financing, costs vs. A220-100,


That would be a solid "nope".

LAXintl wrote:
A220-100 - $23.6 - 33.0M, $150-230,000
EMB190E2 - $23.3 - 29.0M, $150-220,000


viewtopic.php?t=1460947

best regards
Thomas

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by tommy1808
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A350F vs 777XF vs 777ERSF
Replies: 49
Views: 7769

Re: A350F vs 777XF vs 777ERSF

After a little modelling and some work to derive a suitable formula I have put together the following table in excel. You are free to download and use. https://1drv.ms/x/s!AiAyKIX6pnf6ij6DcBYPhRXSqPSh?e=bg5WNr You will see that I have put some areas in there for a user to be able to change (in yell...

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by tommy1808
Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A350F vs 777XF vs 777ERSF
Replies: 49
Views: 7769

Re: A350F vs 777XF vs 777ERSF

After a little modelling and some work to derive a suitable formula I have put together the following table in excel. You are free to download and use. https://1drv.ms/x/s!AiAyKIX6pnf6ij6DcBYPhRXSqPSh?e=bg5WNr You will see that I have put some areas in there for a user to be able to change (in yell...

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by tommy1808
Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Brussels Airlines New Livery
Replies: 212
Views: 41621

Re: Brussels Airlines “New Chapter”

Maybe they are planning to follow in the footsteps of EI, reshaping their long haul fleet by ordering a batch of A321 LR/XLRs and promote more, or increase frequencies on, long thin routes, particularly to Africa. Will not happen, cargo to the african network of SN is a money printing machine. XLR ...

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by tommy1808
Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dubai Air Show 2021 - Airbus Orders and General Discussion Thread
Replies: 163
Views: 50360

Re: Dubai Air Show 2021 - Airbus Orders and General Discussion Thread

Fair enough. It's what I have read a fair number of times on the site so it stuck in my head. Does make it interesting why the XLR is so popular then, if the RCT is generally unused and just extra empty weight being carried around. No one accurately can predict the future and having some reserves i...

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by tommy1808
Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 vs E-195E2 in 2021, market battle finally won by Airbus ?
Replies: 81
Views: 12538

Re: A220 vs E-195E2 in 2021, market battle finally won by Airbus ?

aemoreira1981 wrote:
However, there are airfields too small for the BCS3 or even the BCS1..


yes, but those are also too small for the E2. Its not like they have some stellar field performance.

best regards
Thomas

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by tommy1808
Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dubai Air Show 2021 - Airbus Orders and General Discussion Thread
Replies: 163
Views: 50360

Re: Dubai Air Show 2021 - Airbus Orders and General Discussion Thread

Pretty much every A321-200 (ceo or neo) comes with at least one additional fuel tank to provide sufficient range. This claim again. I seem to recall correcting you in the past in this regard. I suppose if you repeat it enough times, it'll be taken as a fact. Most 321ceo/neo delivered upto this poin...

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by tommy1808
Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Tim Clark hinting at a possible Emirates order review?
Replies: 83
Views: 15924

Re: Tim Clark hinting at a possible Emirates order review?

I'd suspect that EK will need the capacity anyhow, . In frames? Sure, they need to maintain their network. In capacity? Not so sure. Emirates went from an airlines flying the latest and biggest aircraft one or two generations ahead of most of the competition to the airline playing catch up on fleet...

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by tommy1808
Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Startup plans to electrify BAe146 plane
Replies: 27
Views: 5450

Re: Startup plans to electrify BAe146 plane

According to Planespotters, there are only 98 still flying. Why would they choose to develop a conversion like that for an old ac like the 146/RJ and not the CRJ? Since it is a money making scam the type doesn't matter. So anything cheap enough to have a hulk to pretent working on will do. Also giv...

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by tommy1808
Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:37 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Spain to choose F-35 or Typhoon to replace F-18
Replies: 51
Views: 4640

Re: Spain to choose F-35 or Typhoon to replace F-18

Hopefully the chose Eurofighter. The F-35 is very expensive to operate. Air forces are not airlines. Their #1 priority is defending the country the best they can and keeping their pilots alive. :checkmark: That is why the Lightweight Fighter Competition was cancelled in favor of buying more F-15 an...

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by tommy1808
Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Sales Campaign Thread - 2021
Replies: 499
Views: 82196

Re: Airbus A220 Sales Campaign Thread - 2021

If LH want to replace A319s with A223s, I agree on the order size as the minimum. It could be for a hundred or more. Simplifying by replacing other regional aircraft with A221s might add 20 to 30 more. This would be a big deal for both LH group (Germanwings, Austrian, Brussels, Air Dolomiti, and Eu...

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by tommy1808
Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:05 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: New Fox Tucker Carlson Promo Alleges 1/6 'False Flag' - Conservatives Criticize It
Replies: 66
Views: 3927

Re: New Fox Tucker Carlson Promo Alleges 1/6 'False Flag' - Conservatives Criticize It

At a minimum, Tucker and Fox News got a lot of free advertisement. If people had simply ignored it and hadn't exploded and pumped their own blood pressure sky high, this might have turned into a big nothingburger. But no, the Twitterati and other persons who have nothing better to do with their liv...

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by tommy1808
Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:29 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Covid19 - Vaccine News and discussion thread
Replies: 347
Views: 22863

Re: Covid19 - Vaccine News and discussion thread

Yes, and people wearing seatbelts die. I'm getting tired of posting the same studies over and over again showing the faster fall-off for vaccinated breakthrough cases https://www.cdc.gov/library/covid19/images/august2021/0813_FIG4.png source: CDC Or the continued reduced risk of infection: https://...

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by tommy1808
Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus blasted by leasing companies over plans to lift jet production
Replies: 208
Views: 26464

Re: Airbus blasted by leasing companies over plans to lift jet production

This really hurts CFM (pushes old narrowbodies with CFM-56 to low utilization duty earlier) as well as Pratt on the V2500. CFM ok, since it pushes 737NGs out just as much as A320ceo, but Pratt? Do they really rather sell support and parts for a V2500 than selling a shiny new PW1500 and support and ...

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by tommy1808
Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:23 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Can somebody tell me why sewage is being dumped in UK rivers ??
Replies: 31
Views: 2169

Re: Can somebody tell me why sewage is being dumped in UK rivers ??

Rate payers resist knowing how expensive it is to provide clean water, use and contaminate it, and then clean it up. . In Germany everybody knows, since it is an at cost system with everybody paying the same per litre. Bottom line: clean drinking water is cheaper than treating seawage. 70ct/1000L v...

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by tommy1808
Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA FA punched in the nose by passenger. Flight diverted
Replies: 119
Views: 11114

Re: AA FA punched in the nose by passenger. Flight diverted

I’m doing 8+ hour travels (flight plus terminal time) four times over the next two weeks, I’ll bring my pulse iximeter along and test myself. After 14,000 hours including many 14+ hour flights without noticing headaches, it must be a coincidence that the five airline trips wearing a mask has always...

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by tommy1808
Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA FA punched in the nose by passenger. Flight diverted
Replies: 119
Views: 11114

Re: AA FA punched in the nose by passenger. Flight diverted

Perhaps it’s time to rethink the mask rule. It is bringing about violence incidents against my fellow crewmembers. Put a vaccine rule in place and end the mask mandate and hopefully people will be a little less on edge while flying Perhaps morons should realise they need to wear their masks when fl...

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by tommy1808
Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:07 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Is it dangerous when aircraft carry fuel in a center tank beneath the passenger cabin?
Replies: 43
Views: 3365

Re: Is it dangerous when aircraft carry fuel in a center tank beneath the passenger cabin?

The Airbus has the option of "ACT"s, Additional Center Tanks, to enhance its range, available on the 319, 320, and 321, but I've only heard of it being installed on the A321 Qatar Airways has two A319 aircraft fitted with an ACT. They have provisions for six ACT which would fill up both h...

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by tommy1808
Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter
Replies: 1801
Views: 302056

Re: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter

and the new build A330F was in this weird position where it was not as capable as other large new build freighters but too wide of a wingspan, expensive, It was in the weird position of Airbus selling all the A330 passenger jets it could make since the 787 failed to free up production slots. For 5 ...

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by tommy1808
Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter
Replies: 1801
Views: 302056

Re: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter

With a circular fuselage diameter Airbus didn't have the right cabin shape for cargo. The A350 is different and has steeper sidewalls for the first time. It will make for a good freighter. The question is how much factory built freighter business is left after all these used 777 ready for conversio...

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by tommy1808
Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:02 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Why did the A340-600 turn out to be vastly inferior to the 777-300ER when the 343 was able to do quite well against 772?
Replies: 60
Views: 6356

Re: Why did the A340-600 turn out to be vastly inferior to the 777-300ER when the 343 was able to do quite well against

Umm I think the 200ER sold in far greater numbers than the A343. Market leader vs. newcomer in the long haul market. Its not always the better plane that has the higher market share. Boeing sold more 737classic than Airbus A320s, and which is the better aircraft isn´t even a question, given that mo...

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by tommy1808
Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:56 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Domestic Flying in Thailand at the Moment
Replies: 1
Views: 522

Re: Domestic Flying in Thailand at the Moment

In case anyone else needs that information near term:

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Best regards
Thomas

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by tommy1808
Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:22 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Covid19 - Vaccine News and discussion thread
Replies: 347
Views: 22863

Re: Covid19 - Vaccine News and discussion thread

GDB wrote:
Had the booster yesterday, Pfizer, as before no ill effects, nor from my annual flu vaccine last week.


Got mine last Thursday on top of JJ. Less side effects, basically just went to bed an hour early.

Fully ready for Thailand now.. lol.

best regards
Thomas

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by tommy1808
Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320 "MaxPax" Cabin (Y188)?
Replies: 35
Views: 5316

Re: Airbus A320 "MaxPax" Cabin (Y188)?

Major low costs like EasyJet and Jetstar are already flying the A320 with 186. This is just two more seats basically tucked into the rear galley where there’s otherwise a small cabinet. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTbCBtMoRk3J-YrizpgNrSUL9i7tffNpIQEYg&usqp=CAU Easily th...

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by tommy1808
Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:32 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Domestic Flying in Thailand at the Moment
Replies: 1
Views: 522

Domestic Flying in Thailand at the Moment

Hi Folks, since either my Google-Fu isn´t strong enough or Thai Vietjet Air simply isn´t specific enough on their website, that only seems to refer to flights within Vietnam i got a few questions regarding domestic travel with them in Thailand with regards to Covid related policies in October. a) As...

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by tommy1808
Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus pushed for A220-500, replacing A320CEO / 737-800.. ?
Replies: 279
Views: 48852

Re: Airbus pushed for A220-500, replacing A320CEO / 737-800.. ?

In the last 3 years.. the A320NEO order book has fallen by 330 frames, and 800 have been delivered - i.e. the backlog has fallen by 1,130 frames the A321NEO order book has grown by 1,300 frames in the same time, with 470 delivered - i.e. the backlog has grown by 830 frames Rgds It's clear that the ...

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by tommy1808
Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAI starts A330P2F line, Avolon first client
Replies: 49
Views: 6627

Re: IAI starts A330P2F line, Avolon first client

This program will deliver about as many P2F conversions per year as all WB conversions did on average during the last 10~15 years combined.. best regards Thomas Not quite. The program order is 30 conversions between 2025 and 2028, so around 7-8 per year over 4 years. IAI has conversion centers with...

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by tommy1808
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAI starts A330P2F line, Avolon first client
Replies: 49
Views: 6627

Re: IAI starts A330P2F line, Avolon first client

Warrents its own topic as it is of quite some significance to the freight market. Has been - for documentation purposes - posted in the air cargo topic, too. Lessor Avolon has signed an agreement with IAI - Israle Aerospace - to convert 30 A330-300 into P2Fs from 2025 onwards. https://www.iai.co.il...

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by tommy1808
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAI starts A330P2F line, Avolon first client
Replies: 49
Views: 6627

Re: IAI starts A330P2F line, Avolon first client

Warrents its own topic as it is of quite some significance to the freight market. Has been - for documentation purposes - posted in the air cargo topic, too. Lessor Avolon has signed an agreement with IAI - Israle Aerospace - to convert 30 A330-300 into P2Fs from 2025 onwards. https://www.iai.co.il...

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by tommy1808
Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Can a person tell the difference between A321neo, LR and XLR just by looking from outside?
Replies: 24
Views: 6494

Re: Can a person tell the difference between A321neo, LR and XLR just by looking from outside?

I was wondering if there would be any difference externally that would make spotting one A321neo variant a bit more exciting compared to the other or will they be like B772 where you can't really tell the difference between either of the variants? If only the XLR gets the new flaps, that would be a...

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by tommy1808
Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines to fire 600 staff who refuse vaccine
Replies: 82
Views: 10654

Re: United Airlines to fire 600 staff who refuse vaccine

There is a federal mandate (executive order) requiring federal employees to be vaccinated (by some point towards end of November). So far it is not been successfully challenged. Now that there is a FDA approved vaccine UA employees would probably find it difficult to win their case- UA provided exe...

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by tommy1808
Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:36 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: A couple of battery electric aircraft questions. 1 noise, and 1 cost.
Replies: 7
Views: 965

Re: A couple of battery electric aircraft questions. 1 noise, and 1 cost.

DFW17L wrote:
When someone cracks the energy storage issues (weight, recharge, pollution from manufacturing,…), they’ll be the richest person in the world.


considering it would make TNT look low energy that is only true if it is essentially 100% fail safe.

best regards
Thomas

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by tommy1808
Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:20 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: German federal elections
Replies: 37
Views: 2063

Re: German federal elections

I'll say again but Merkel killed nuclear. She's a freaking quantum chemistry scientist ! And she understands that you can't win an election supporting an engergy source, in fairness, she wasn´t the "policy to play nice to voters" type of politician. Her actions in the refugee crises where...

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by tommy1808
Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Impact of England's Energy Crisis on UK Aviation
Replies: 42
Views: 5123

Re: Impact of England's Energy Crisis on UK Aviation

Wonder how they are supplying the ground support vehicles? Do they batch diesel into the jet pipelines? That would be tough without ending up with contaminated fuel. You can fuel Diesel vehicles with JP though, but the lack of lubricant doesn't make it a long term solution. On top of being illegal....

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by tommy1808
Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:34 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: German federal elections
Replies: 37
Views: 2063

Re: German federal elections

Apparently there is huge lobbying in Germany and France (and EU countries in general), by US and Russian companies, including ad campaigns etc., to convince Europeans that nuclear = bad for the environment, and gas = good for the environment. To the point people think nuclear emits more CO2 than ga...

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by tommy1808
Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:49 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: German federal elections
Replies: 37
Views: 2063

Re: German federal elections

Are you prepared for the consequences of climate change ? Like, you know, your village disappearing in a mud slide ? That would appear to be a quite general problem, preparedness. Doesn´t really matter if it is higher sprig tides, extreme rain events with the associated mud slides or rising tempera...

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by tommy1808
Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:12 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: German federal elections
Replies: 37
Views: 2063

Re: German federal elections

This is a terribly unfortunate state of affairs. Germany should be leading the way, showing the world how to run nuclear energy in a safe and efficient manner. Please note, this is a "German Thing". A German will always fear and prepared (or tries to do so), what will regular never occur....

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by tommy1808
Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:07 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: German federal elections
Replies: 37
Views: 2063

Re: German federal elections

and the Grunen are partly responsible, with their opposition to nuclear power. There isn't any major party in favor of nuclear power here. Unfortunately. The Greens in Germany want to scrap Nordstream 2, potentially letting millions of Germans starve and freeze to death: https://www.reuters.com/art...

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by tommy1808
Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bloomberg: Airbus Backs Lightweight Wing to Preserve Its Lead Over Boeing
Replies: 273
Views: 47126

Re: Bloomberg: Airbus Backs Lightweight Wing to Preserve Its Lead Over Boeing

What's interesting to me at least is how many posts we had on the 777x folding wingtips suggesting they were unsafe after decades of military swing wing experience showing they are not a problem, and here we have a free-flapping wingtip and no one asks if they will be a problem or not. Oh, well. Th...

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by tommy1808
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:42 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: German federal elections
Replies: 37
Views: 2063

Re: German federal elections

a fumbled pandemic how so? Vaccination rates high, hospitals empty... surging inflation three percent isn´t surging inflation. Especially not if most of that is just energy. and economic chaos yeah,the shortage of labor really sucks. No matter what you vote, you get divisiveness. How? The parties t...

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by tommy1808
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:22 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: German federal elections
Replies: 37
Views: 2063

Re: German federal elections

It seems Merkel's party and the SPD have the same number of seats (or a difference of 1) so it's very close and I can't see how either can claim victory. So basically nobody won. I'll wait for German members to tell us what can happen, it seems to me only these 2 parties together can get a majority...

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by tommy1808
Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:32 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Voter ID Law Blocked in North Carolina
Replies: 74
Views: 3553

Re: Voter ID Law Blocked in North Carolina

Jetty wrote:
Most of the first world countries demand and ID when you vote, many even wherever you go. How that is racist is beyond me. Nonsensical framing by the Democrats.


And in how many of those doesn't each and every eligible voter have at least one of the usable IDs by law?

Best regards
Thomas

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by tommy1808
Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:02 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: A couple of battery electric aircraft questions. 1 noise, and 1 cost.
Replies: 7
Views: 965

Re: A couple of battery electric aircraft questions. 1 noise, and 1 cost.

As for costs, itll be substantially cheaper to operate than fuel-powered planes, Not quite sure about it. Yes, the energy cost per flight would probably be cheaper. I fully expect MX to be cheaper, as both electric engines and batteries are less complicated and easier to replace/upgrade. However, t...

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by tommy1808
Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:56 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Does having status motivate you to fly more?
Replies: 13
Views: 1158

Re: Does having status motivate you to fly more?

If you have a "Gold" or other FF-Card, you can enjoy the lounge and other improvements to the travel experience. Do you find that it makes you fly more, not only stay loyal to one alliance but also prefer flying over taking the train or car for example? I once booked a ~100 EUR more expen...

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by tommy1808
Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:54 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Arizona Election Audit
Replies: 143
Views: 14046

Re: Arizona Election Audit

Are they waiting for the next elections to reveal their 'results' at this stage or have they fully realized the futility of their endeavor by now and are just riding the gravy train for as long as it goes? The mean the "audit" that was supposed to be over in 60 days, but has now dragged o...

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by tommy1808
Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus 32X NEO program: why no length adjustment?
Replies: 48
Views: 7144

Re: Airbus 32X NEO program: why no length adjustment?

The whole neo effort was planned by Airbus to be a " minimum change " (thus, minimum cost) upgrade to the A32x family. The sales figures don't suggest Airbus made any blunders (ignoring active discussion about the value of the A319neo). This 'minimum change' was a real game changer, at le...

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by tommy1808
Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter
Replies: 1801
Views: 302056

Re: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter

A building but slower A330 P2F demand. Slow demand? It's sold out till 2025 @ rate 30 in 2024 and 2025. That is 109 orders already. That is a higher rate than the 777F ever had and more than half the 767F deliveries over the last 25 years in just five. That is more than the average total annual WB ...

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by tommy1808
Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus 32X NEO program: why no length adjustment?
Replies: 48
Views: 7144

Re: Airbus 32X NEO program: why no length adjustment?

I think the bias of the author was indicated by identifying the 737-800/MAX 8 as being the perfect length. Well, he does have a point from the max pax for 4 FA perspective. But then again that is a perfectly valid argument against making the A319 longer. Best regards Thomas There are also perfectly...

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