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by airbazar
Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 633
Views: 112196

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Does anyone see DL starting PDL from BOS? Not really though they could do it with narrow body. I just do not think they want to compete with the subsidized incumbent S4. Why not? I would understand it if S4 was a half decent airline with cheap fares, you know like Norwegian or Icelandair. But S4 is...

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Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA signs codeshare agreement with Indian LCC Indigo Airlines
Replies: 60
Views: 7046

Re: AA signs codeshare agreement with Indian LCC Indigo Airlines

Clearly this is really targeted at largely Indian nationals and expats traveling between the US and their hometowns. I'm sure AA has no thought that his is useful for business class, just the other 200 seats on the plane flying to India. I'm not sure that is entirely the case. There are a lot of U....

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by airbazar
Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines to fire 600 staff who refuse vaccine
Replies: 82
Views: 10667

Re: United Airlines to fire 600 staff who refuse vaccine

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58731340 I'm surprised the number of holdouts is that high. Have other major carriers implemented vaccine mandates ? High? It's incredibly low...593 out of 67000+ employees? That's about 0.9%... Good job all around by United and it's employees! Well, considering th...

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by airbazar
Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA signs codeshare agreement with Indian LCC Indigo Airlines
Replies: 60
Views: 7046

Re: AA signs codeshare agreement with Indian LCC Indigo Airlines

We've gotten to the point where there is not much difference between LCC's and Legacy carriers on short/medium haul routes in Europe and the Americas. Asia is just a few steps behind but on its way there. I don't see the big deal. Exactly, not much difference in hard product between NK and the lega...

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by airbazar
Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why hasn't AA or Delta taken a real swing at SJC?
Replies: 95
Views: 10459

Re: Why hasn't AA or Delta taken a real swing at SJC?

ANA was set to launch HND-SJC prior to COVID, hopefully when international travel bounces back they will go forward with the launch. With United's large accounts in the Bay Area I think besides WN that United and their Star Alliance partners are probably best positioned to grow at SJC. Perhaps Luft...

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by airbazar
Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 112143

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

Since we’re building a new home near Charleston, flights between here and there are of interest to me. On October 26, the fare from Portland to Charleston is $99. On that same day, the fare from Manchester is $313. $313!!! So, since we have a house in Kennebunkport, Portland will likely now be our ...

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by airbazar
Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 112143

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

You hit on two things that jump out at me. First, I think MHT is much more price sensitive than BOS since it's not as much of a business market as BOS. It may be more price sensitive however given how expensive it is to fly from there, if I had to guess I'd say the majority of passengers are busine...

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by airbazar
Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why hasn't AA or Delta taken a real swing at SJC?
Replies: 95
Views: 10459

Re: Why hasn't AA or Delta taken a real swing at SJC?

AA tried it at the height of the dot-com bubble and people still didn't come. I'm not from there so I can't explain why SJC doesn't seem to work for full service carriers, or most of them at least. One possibility is that SFO attracts more premium passengers. While Silicon Valley gets all the attent...

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by airbazar
Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 112143

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

I can't make sense of your reply and how it relates to my comment so maybe I wasn't clear enough. My point was that the market for people willing to abuse their bodies on a seat with 28" pitch on such a long flight, might be really small. Money talks. And for people who don't know too much abo...

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by airbazar
Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 112143

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

With increased apathy toward MHT by WN, Spirit ought to do well. I'm not so sure. WN and NK are really not the same and I don't think they even cater to the same type of customer. NK at MHT is a totally new concept and I'm curious to see how well it works from MHT. 28" seat pitch on anything m...

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by airbazar
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 112143

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

With increased apathy toward MHT by WN, Spirit ought to do well. I'm not so sure. WN and NK are really not the same and I don't think they even cater to the same type of customer. NK at MHT is a totally new concept and I'm curious to see how well it works from MHT. 28" seat pitch on anything m...

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by airbazar
Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 633
Views: 112196

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

What are the odds that we'll see an increase in TATL capacity being loaded for the holidays now that the Biden administration is about to lift the travel ban?

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by airbazar
Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:42 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: U.S. to lift restriction on intl arrivals in Nov
Replies: 30
Views: 2224

Re: U.S. to lift restriction on intl arrivals in Nov

Thank you jesus!!! We can have Xmas. A lot of people forget that the majority of immigrants in this country are NOT permanent residents and therefore have been separated from their families since the beginning of the Pandemic because they would not be able to return to their jobs if they left the co...

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by airbazar
Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airports That Have Suffered From Improved Road / Rail Infrastructure
Replies: 46
Views: 5538

Re: Airports That Have Suffered From Improved Road / Rail Infrastructure

One example from Austria: The connection between Linz and Vienna was dropped after the high speed rail connection was opened a few years ago. It's likely that in a few years from now, also Salzburg-VIE and Graz-VIE will shift towards HSR connection. Even without HSR, SZG-VIE is already mostly train...

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by airbazar
Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 633
Views: 112196

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of BOS in June 2021: BOS-DEN - 23667 passengers, 26251 seats, 90.16% load factor WN actually carried more passengers on BOS-DEN in June 2021 than in June 2019. The Mountain states were outrageous this year and b...

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by airbazar
Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Austrian Trans-Atlantic Competition
Replies: 20
Views: 3731

Re: Austrian Trans-Atlantic Competition

ATH / Greece is not in Eastern Europe. So, I am learning here. Greece is not Eastern Europe, is it Southern then? What is the cutoff? Southern Europe. Geographically Greece is very much in Eastern Europe but politically it's not. They are further East than the former Yugoslavia and they have a long...

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by airbazar
Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:27 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Should Airbus consider the Airbus 350-800 again ?
Replies: 26
Views: 4448

Re: Should Airbus consider the Airbus 350-800 again ?

To add to Ikolkyo's response, what market would the A358 serve that isn't already competitively served by the A338, A339, A359, or A35K? It would not be competitive with the 787-10 or even 787-9 within those planes range and only Project Sunrise and the ME3 are likely to buy ULH aircraft. Most Airb...

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by airbazar
Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 633
Views: 112196

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Interesting experience flying back to BOS on Friday. I arrived at 6:30 on KL from AMS. I’d connected in AMS from CPT and nowhere at AMS nor upon arrival into BOS was I ever asked to present my negative COVID test. The only time I was asked to show it was on check-in at CPT. Conversely, when I flew ...

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by airbazar
Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Azores Airlines to start JFK
Replies: 25
Views: 8284

Re: Azores Airlines to start JFK

I'm not sure why we're comparing Madeira with Hawaii. Madeira doesn't even have a beach. Although Porto Santo does. There are nearly a million Portuguese living within driving distance of JFK, a good number of which trace their family tree back to Madeira. I'm sure there are a good number of Americ...

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by airbazar
Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 633
Views: 112196

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

I recall when air traffic crashed in 2020 Massport either pushed out or cancelled altogether the further expansion of E. Which was it? Technically it was both, accelerated and pushed back :) As other have said, Phase I which has 4 gates was accelerated. By taking advantage of the downturn in traffi...

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by airbazar
Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Azores Airlines to start JFK
Replies: 25
Views: 8284

Re: Azores Airlines to start JFK

Not really a strange time. Madeira is a year-round destination with temps in the 60's and 70's during the colder months. It has been a very popular destination for Europeans for Christmas and New Year's for years. Tf they are flying on behalf of a tour operator the risk to the airline should be low...

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by airbazar
Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 633
Views: 112196

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

As for the covid situation…if it’s that big a deal to someone, I don’t think an airport is the place for them to be. Masks are worn when close encounters with pax are involved, but otherwise not so much. Agree. I understand that some people have to fly for work (like my wife), but as someone who to...

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by airbazar
Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 633
Views: 112196

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

My wife flew in on Lufthansa last week and apparently CBP removed all the kiosks forcing everyone to wait in line like old times. She waited in line for 45 minutes. I had never heard about the kiosk removal before. Does anyone know when they plan on re-instating the kiosks? We're planning to travel...

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by airbazar
Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 633
Views: 112196

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

That said…I still don’t understand why the food vendor hasn’t reopened much. My guess would be difficulty in hiring workers. If good restaurants out in town are having problems hiring people I'd think that airport businesses would have an even harder time. AF lounge is a COVID nightmare. Never set ...

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by airbazar
Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Azores Airlines to start JFK
Replies: 25
Views: 8284

Re: Azores Airlines to start JFK

Not really a strange time. Madeira is a year-round destination with temps in the 60's and 70's during the colder months. It has been a very popular destination for Europeans for Christmas and New Year's for years. Tf they are flying on behalf of a tour operator the risk to the airline should be low.

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by airbazar
Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: "We Don't Go With Federal Law" Says Flight Attendant
Replies: 136
Views: 18746

Re: "We Don't Go With Federal Law" Says Flight Attendant

This isn’t a customer service related issue, this is issue of policy being enforced due to a no-carry baggage program due to the limitations of a 50 seat aircraft. You want this problem to go-away, tell United to get rid of their 50 seat aircraft or find a way to configure them in a way that allows...

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by airbazar
Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: "We Don't Go With Federal Law" Says Flight Attendant
Replies: 136
Views: 18746

Re: "We Don't Go With Federal Law" Says Flight Attendant

This isn’t a customer service related issue, this is issue of policy being enforced due to a no-carry baggage program due to the limitations of a 50 seat aircraft. You want this problem to go-away, tell United to get rid of their 50 seat aircraft or find a way to configure them in a way that allows...

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by airbazar
Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: "We Don't Go With Federal Law" Says Flight Attendant
Replies: 136
Views: 18746

Re: "We Don't Go With Federal Law" Says Flight Attendant

I just don't understand why musical instruments get special treatment over any other expensive items that somebody may bring with them on a trip. I can guarantee you that a hard shell guitar case with a foam interior and a cut out custom sized and shaped for the guitar would allow it to survive jus...

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by airbazar
Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 633
Views: 112196

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Yeah that's the downside of the new terminal extension. It pretty much spells the end of aircraft watching on the ramp. I suspect the only place now may be the top floor of the remote parking garage. Might be able to see over it from the top floor of central, but it’d be a limited view. Just a quic...

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by airbazar
Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: "We Don't Go With Federal Law" Says Flight Attendant
Replies: 136
Views: 18746

Re: "We Don't Go With Federal Law" Says Flight Attendant

Why does a guitar get legal priority? It it somehow impossible to design a guitar case that can protect it as checked baggage? The regulation strictly states that musical instruments can only be accommodated if there's available space so technically it's not taking storage space away from anyone. B...

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by airbazar
Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 633
Views: 112196

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Lufthana's grand plan to bring back the 747-400 in October has collapsed. The A340-300 is on the books now. While I love the Queen, the LH 340s with the downstairs bathrooms are great for passengers. But the business class is really outdated. The 340-600's have those bathrooms, but I'm not sure if ...

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by airbazar
Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021
Replies: 1315
Views: 297679

Re: United BOS-LHR

O+D wise - historically Los Angeles, SF, Orlando, and Miami have been larger than Boston to LON (all airports) depending on the year. Obviously Orlando comprises a lot of alternative airports on both ends. LHR not LON. It's an important distinction because LHR is where the money is, it's where corp...

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by airbazar
Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 112143

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

One daily flight on a small regional jet. An 8pm arrival time into PHL. What is this flight going to connect with? Honestly this sounds like MassPort reminding AA how nice the gate spaces they get to use in Boston are and that service to Worcester would “compliment” it nicely. And this is the airli...

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by airbazar
Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021
Replies: 1315
Views: 297679

Re: United BOS-LHR

IIRC, BOS is LHR's second largest U.S. market after NYC. It's a huge market that *A/A++ is missing out on. And although UA doesn't call LHR a hub, T2 is a de facto *A hub. BOS-LHR and BOS-NRT are 2 routes that I'd argue, need a *A presence. BOS is *NOT* the "Number Two" market from London...

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by airbazar
Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:48 pm
Forum: Photography Feedback
Topic: The most 747s in a single photo
Replies: 23
Views: 6345

Re: The most 747s in a single photo

A lineup of BA 747s at T4 in that terminal's heyday as the heart of BA long haul. That was my first thought as well. T4 doesn't have that many gates and it's not very large. In fact it was a sh*t show of a terminal because it was originally designed for short haul p-2-p flights. NRT has to be it. I...

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by airbazar
Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021
Replies: 1315
Views: 297679

Re: United BOS-LHR

As a Boston based UA FF I'm going to go against the general consensus and say that a UA BOS-LHR is much needed and would do well. LHR is BOS's largest international market by a long shot. IIRC, BOS is LHR's second largest U.S. market after NYC. It's a huge market that *A/A++ is missing out on. And ...

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by airbazar
Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 112143

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

https://thisweekinworcester.com/american-airlines-worcester-082821/ One daily flight on a small regional jet. An 8pm arrival time into PHL. What is this flight going to connect with? Honestly this sounds like MassPort reminding AA how nice the gate spaces they get to use in Boston are and that serv...

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by airbazar
Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 633
Views: 112196

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2021

Regarding the jet bridge, I find it odd too. On the ground, A350 was already painted on the concrete, and that's what they pulled up to. They originally tried to use L2 but it wouldn't work so they used L1. It was the first time I walked up hill to the plane from the airport. They had about eight p...

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by airbazar
Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021
Replies: 1315
Views: 297679

Re: United BOS-LHR

As a Boston based UA FF I'm going to go against the general consensus and say that a UA BOS-LHR is much needed and would do well. LHR is BOS's largest international market by a long shot. IIRC, BOS is LHR's second largest U.S. market after NYC. It's a huge market that *A/A++ is missing out on. And a...

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by airbazar
Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why couldn't the Hi-Fly charter model work in Canada?
Replies: 10
Views: 2857

Re: Why couldn't the Hi-Fly charter model work in Canada?

I don't know that I would call them so darn successful. HiFly itself essentially has one operating aircraft with pax, not including the spicejet leased aircraft. The other aircraft are converted for loose cargo, We're in a Pandemic and they're adjusting as best as they can but I don't think that wa...

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by airbazar
Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1459
Views: 201002

Re: Delta Returning to ORH, Will Fly to LGA

Getting to ORH is a mess, too. It's a 15 or 20 minute drive on Worcester city streets from I-290. The office parks at 495 and route 9 are half the distance from ORH compared to BOS -- but travel time to ORH is maybe 5 minutes faster. You can get people to use ORH if it's cheap enough, but that's re...

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by airbazar
Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1459
Views: 201002

Re: Delta Returning to ORH, Will Fly to LGA

I agree to an extent, and I also fly constantly, actually just flew this past weekend thru Logan Terminal C, which the outside is a mess, as constructions are all over the place. If given the option and good schedule/frequency, I'll take ORH any day. It all depends of preference I guess. One flight...

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by airbazar
Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1459
Views: 201002

Re: Delta Returning to ORH, Will Fly to LGA

In my opinion this is all about Florida connections. I don't see business passengers finding value in this schedule which forces you to spend a night away from home. And I don't think there's any "quid pro quo" with Massport although some brownie points never hurts. Also to be factored in,...

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by airbazar
Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 112143

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2021

The curious one here is LGA, rather than restarting DTW. B6 will be re-starting JFK, so now there's potentially 2 NYC options going to happen, the networks are going to have provide differing connection options to survive, as otherwise is there really the market to support both. I wasn't sure about...

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by airbazar
Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 2378
Views: 398362

Re: JetBlue Officially Launching LHR/LGW

Thanks, that’s helpful. And makes the previous post I was quoted in even less sensible. That is indeed a very solid offering, but as I mentioned before (and you also state) I believe that is too much, especially if the intent is to undercut the established competitors on price. I see that as high c...

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by airbazar
Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 2378
Views: 398362

Re: JetBlue Officially Launching LHR/LGW

POS is very heavily weighed towards the home market, always. There is nothing special about JFK-LHR. Most people who travel, have to return somehow :D In the US-UK market and JFK-LHR market there is significantly more U.S. originating traffic than UK originating traffic. I realise I have significan...

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by airbazar
Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 2378
Views: 398362

Re: JetBlue Officially Launching LHR/LGW

I see JFK-BOS-London/Paris as markets they have to serve. Anything beyond that is depending on how various markets are working out. I forgot to add this. I don't think CDG is a must. It's a large market but is very seasonal. IMO they should start with high yield business markets such as ZRH and MUC...

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by airbazar
Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 2378
Views: 398362

Re: JetBlue Officially Launching LHR/LGW

I see JFK-BOS-London/Paris as markets they have to serve. Anything beyond that is depending on how various markets are working out. I forgot to add this. I don't think CDG is a must. It's a large market but is very seasonal. IMO they should start with high yield business markets such as ZRH and MUC...

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by airbazar
Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 2378
Views: 398362

Re: JetBlue Officially Launching LHR/LGW

I think the brand recognition and having POS in both directions is severely overstated. Brand recognition comes with time. When DY started TATL flights hardly anyone here had ever heard of them. That didn't seem to hurt them, why? Because no one calls up the airline's ticket office to book a plane ...

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by airbazar
Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 2378
Views: 398362

Re: JetBlue Officially Launching LHR/LGW

I think the brand recognition and having POS in both directions is severely overstated. Brand recognition comes with time. When DY started TATL flights hardly anyone here had ever heard of them. That didn't seem to hurt them, why? Because no one calls up the airline's ticket office to book a plane t...

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