Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

I missed this little conversation. But wow you openly admit you are happy for the EU to use political interference in the domestic affairs in a foreign country. If Scotland wins its independence, it won't be a UK domestic affair any more, and until then the EU won't take any active steps. You speci...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

I missed this little conversation. But wow you openly admit you are happy for the EU to use political interference in the domestic affairs in a foreign country. If Scotland wins its independence, it won't be a UK domestic affair any more, and until then the EU won't take any active steps. When do w...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Revenge...? Hey, oh A101 ! It's high level international trade negotiation what's going on. There's no emotions involved in this kind of negotiations. Well I guess the EU is sending a bunch of robots to the negations then :rotfl: Emotions are already flowing in the EU if this report is corect; http...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

It is an internal topic of the UK, the EU has no say if the Scots get a vote or not. That is nice truth about it. Sure. The EU does have a say about opening accession talks with an independent Scotland, however, and that path is already open right after Brexit day! Scotland will of course have to s...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

You must remember that Scots are nationals of the UK and not Scotland and most UK nationals wanted out the EU. It is an internal topic of the UK, the EU has no say if the Scots get a vote or not. That is nice truth about it. Sure. The EU does have a say about opening accession talks with an indepen...

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noviorbis77 wrote:

You must remember that Scots are nationals of the UK and not Scotland and most UK nationals wanted out the EU.

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

The price is the one UK decides to pay, could have decided to stay in SM, in CU, an FTA, remain or even no deal. It always have been UK choice ONLY. The EU was always looking to extract revenge no matter if an agreement was reached. The EU project isn’t about friends its about interests and all cou...

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Regarding A50 and democratic function of UK. Scotland needs to ask for a election of dependency but NI has as I understand it thru GFA right to vote when they want to. Is this correct? They won’t get another independence referendum under this Parliament. They can ask. But the Conservative position ...

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Barnier in an interesting interview. This together with the USA stance that they will wait until EU UK FTA is more defined shows the strategy UK uses vs EU. Give us what we want or we be a full USA state on the other side of the Atlantic. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson...

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olle wrote:

If there is a organisation of 450 million people soon 400

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Interesting reading from a Brexit MEP; https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-party-mep-june-mummery-tweet-eu-uk-leave-9293781 >However, one Brexit Party MEP had something of a light bulb moment, when she realised that in a matter of days all of the privileges of being a member of the European >Uni...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

If the numbers are accurate it is not about the Brexiters but about some EU citizens who despite all the doom and gloom want to remain in the UK after Brexit while being fully informed by the EU of the dire consequences. As EU citizens - not UK citizens - they can leave at any time, they have a Get...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

During the transition phase the EU will still treat the UK as a (now only non-voting! ) member state, but after Brexit formally taking effect on February 1st all treaties with external third countries will formally lose effect, so the UK will be dependent on those third countries agreeing to contin...

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I bet many of those have clauses that say that if UK diverges from EU and so cannot have seamless trade with EU at the same time those trade continuation agreements also become null and void. I can see such being included in agreements signed AFTER the 2016 vote, for agreements before I would be su...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

To the issue of growth rates: This is not a matter of the absolute size of a country's GDP, but much more related to the GDP per citizen and the relative level of development. The EU is on average pretty close to the peak of development today, so relative growth is of course lower than in countries ...

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Brexit is as big as V-E Day and should be celebrated. So sure Big Ben must Bong! It would be glorious to leave on the 8th May 2020, a fitting 75 years after the end of WW2. Much more importantly: Will you continue to troll the poor, unsuspecting leavers this way when they're finally out of the EU a...

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Aesma wrote:

I wonder if anyone at the Daily Express believes any of this nonsense ? It must be soul crushing to work there.

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

We’ll manage though. We’ve been through worse. Things were pretty bad in 1940 weren’t they. Didn’t end too badly then did it. That was when Hitler waged war against Britain, and you barely survived that and only with massive outside support. Brexit, however, is waged against Britain by the likes of...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

the UK is leaving the EU and the UK will move along and soon it will be just a footnote in history. Harsh, but not unlikely. Of course. I just quoted what you've said yourself. How can the fifth largest economy in the world survive ROFL I'm sure India will appreciate our concern, but maybe you shou...

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A101 wrote:

the UK is leaving the EU and the UK will move along and soon it will be just a footnote in history.

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

I will get flamed for this because everything “British” is “wrong” in the views of many on here. Leavers keep trying to style themselves as the sole representatives of Britain, but in fact they just represent at large part of the english population, not even a majority of the UK. And likewise on th...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

the whole point of the discussion is that the EU recognise non member specific regulatory regime in certain areas and vice versa nothing more nothing less Yes, and there's always a guillotine clause attached to that, meaning the EU can and will immediately cut off that equivalence if it loses trust...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

So you believe that if the UK dosnt believe in the direction the EU is going closer political union and if the UK does not want to go in that direction we should just suck it up or perhaps e should just veto all amendments to that effect. This sounds like a very autistic view of the world, complete...

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Sure, all things considered, the EU would prefer a deal, but your suggesting that the EU will give in just for Germany to avoid a recession. To be blunt, it won't so don't count on it. I didn’t suggest anything, I merely said it would be a consideration to achieving a short term partnership agreeme...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

The whole A50 is designed by its very timeframe to make the process very difficult, as the original context for its inclusion was a extant crises within the bloc of the EU invoking Article 7 and that nation then storming out. As with any piece of legislation the framer’s cannot possibly contemplate...

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I am waiting to see what the effect will be in england and wales when EU funds will stop. Because I bet that the central government will not contribute to the same areas/levels. Very little. There are some areas of the UK that are still in poverty even with EU funding. The EU funding built a rounda...

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still possible, there is no FTA. New deadline: end of the year. You just seem to keep moving the goal posts. Originally, the WA not coming into force was supposed to be hard brexit. Now you’re saying it’s the FR/FTA. What will it be after that? There is no surprise in any of this at all, it is simp...

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Arion640 wrote:

Klaus wrote:

Arion640 wrote:

Yes absolutely. Certain countries have been having a free ride for far too long. No wonder Britain wanted out.

No pretense could ever be cheap enough for you lot.

It’s fact i’m afraid.

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Arion640 wrote:

Yes absolutely. Certain countries have been having a free ride for far too long. No wonder Britain wanted out.

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

We can read left wing tabloids and proclaim ourselves as experts, or we can wait and see how things pan out. It's actually you who is much more limited in their horizon by only being able to read english publications, but even there you could have a broader perspective than you do by just again lim...

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While we’ve also gained, don’t forget the UK has also lost a lot to other EU countries (money and Industry) at the expense of itself. Swings and roundabouts. A net gain which is now lost to your choosing. I beg to differ. Our contributions put us at a loss. The only way Boris and Nigel arrived at t...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

The UK joined the EU (EEC, before i get pulled up on it) in 1973. You really can’t compare the economy of then to that of today. We are a far more populous country today, with a lot more things going on. Things turned around exactly with EU membership. And the way things look another turnaround is ...

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noviorbis77 wrote:

Ok Mr Time Traveller.

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

What is more worrying is that the article also mentions thet the EU intends to distroy the UK financial sector, The EU has no active interest in that, but the Brexit chosen by the UK could indeed have that consequence. whereas it's the EU which is offering the UK a present by alreatdy offering &quo...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

A very worried European Union. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1221636/brexit-news-eu-trade-deal-negotiations-boris-johnson-ursula-von-der-leyen/amp The tables have turned. von der Leyen is indeed worried that the UK is still on its self-destructive course by restricting its own options to ...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

A very worried European Union. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1221636/brexit-news-eu-trade-deal-negotiations-boris-johnson-ursula-von-der-leyen/amp The tables have turned. von der Leyen is indeed worried that the UK is still on its self-destructive course by restricting its own options to ...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Your being very disambiguous by choice in your post, I do indeed try to avoid and remove ambiguity wherever I can! ;-) your assuming that AU changed to accomadate the EU, but from what I can work out before organic goods started to become fashionable AU had taken its directions for sustainability o...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

The point I am trying to make is that the EU has recognised the Australian regulatory controls for organic Agri production under regulatory equivalence with EU council regulation 1235/2008 you seem to think it relates only to labelling which it does not, and is clearly represented in the heading; I...

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So how much trade and travel presently takes place between Scotland and NI, yes there will be jobs created to build the bridge, but the reason for building the bridge should be it use and economic impact ob the regions, would not want it to be a white elephant. I think it’s also supposed to help li...

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Why isn't Canada exporting as much as they hoped to the EU? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ceta-beef-export-canada-europe-not-what-was-expected-1.5312594 "European standards remain in place, Canadian standards remain in place, and that is what may have been badly gauged or poorly estim...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

In this day and age you buy a brand name and design, not a box of parts. Can you picture a Mini with EU or whatever flag mirrors and tail lights? Even when the UK will break up, as many here believe, this Union Jack design will live on as it is a brand in its own right. Extremely unlikely it will d...

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Remainers finally accept their fate: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/matt-frei/sir-vince-cable-silly-remainers-rejoin-eu/ If only Concorde was about to do a fly by on brexit day. It would showcase the best of British as well as symbolising our relationship with Europe....

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Hey I have every reason to smirk. For 3 years we’ve had knowitalls on here telling us with their claimed expertise that we’ll never leave the EU and that UK citizens do not want it, despite every election showing otherwise. And lets look at where we are now. People had been telling you that it was ...

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Happy Christmas to one and all. For those supporting Brexit, get ready to enjoy the next few months. For remainers, time to find a new fad. So the usual nasty leaver attitude, even towards your own compatriots. Gets you right into the spirit of the season... :roll: Wow. You read that as being nasty...

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There would be civil war in Ireland if you tried to unite the two. It really isn’t as easy as you make out. Probably – If we did that. Not so likely, though, when the northern irish population take that decision themselves . After all: Republicans fought against a foreign occupation regime, and Uni...

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noviorbis77 wrote:

Happy Christmas to one and all.

For those supporting Brexit, get ready to enjoy the next few months. For remainers, time to find a new fad.

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Well I would not tar all those how voted to leave say they hope the EU fails and falls over. Haven't you been one of the louder ones at that? I have said it a number of times what other members do is up to them and I certainly would not pass judgement on those who may which to do so especially when...

Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Madrid has problemwith a EU state breaking up and becoming memberstate. They have no problem with ex yugoslavia or slovakia etc. They will end up looking bad one way or the other. They will either look like total hypocrites implicitly supporting Scottish independence while violently suppressing Cat...

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It is a tragedy of historic proportions, but for us europeans it's now all about cold, hard negotiations first and foremost. Good luck – you're going to need it! Are you suggesting that hasn’t been the case during the Withdrawl Negotiations? Boris had effectively just gone back to simply accepting ...

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noviorbis77 wrote:

Isn’t democracy awful.