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RE: SAS To Be Grounded?

That SAS A330 that's been here at <acronym title="Washington - Dulles International (IAD / KIAD), USA - Virginia">IAD</acronym> on the ground for three days now, does not have anything to do with the main topic here. I had a long talk with a friend from SAS and they been stuck here with a crazy mech...

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RE: SAS To Be Grounded?

There's a SAS A330 that's been parked at IAD for the last couple of days. Anything to do with this bit of news?

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RE: 777-300ER?

AF is flying <acronym title="Paris - Charles de Gaulle (Roissy) (CDG / LFPG), France">CDG</acronym>-<acronym title="Tokyo - Narita International (New Tokyo) (NRT / RJAA), Japan">NRT</acronym> with their 4 ships, FGSQA, B, C, and D, now and will add <acronym title="Paris - Charles de Gaulle (Roissy) ...

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RE: Turbofan RPM

There are some notable examples of geared turbofan engines: Allied Signal TFE-731 (Bombardier learjet, Lockheed Jetstar) Allison ALF-502/507 (Avro <acronym title="Royal Jordanian">RJ</acronym>, Bombardier Challenger) Both are two shaft turbofans with the <acronym title="Lan Peru">LP</acronym> turbin...

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RE: The A380 Wings Are Notoriously Bent, Any Idea Why?

It's called parabolic dihedral. It's a shaping of the wings that adds stability to the aircraft in flight and distributes bending loads more evenly. Airbus has used it in other wings as well. Airbus designed more of it into the A380 wing because of the higher loads it will have to take . -widebodyph...

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RE: Turbofan RPM

OK, now for the more complicated stuff... Supersonic velocities at fan or compressor blade tips are really not a problem at all. As long as you have the right aerodynamics there is nothing really alarming about it and most large turbine engines have hot things moving at sonic velocity all the time. ...

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RE: Turbofan RPM

Timz The fan on a CF6-80a or CF6-50 is 86.4in diameter. I'll assume that it's not a -80c or 80e. That fan, spinning at an angular speed of 3850rpm is supersonic, but that is only at the end of the fan blade. The velocity of the blade decreases from the tip to the root, so only part of the blade is a...

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RE: Boeing Confirms B 777-200LR Freighter

...why would you want to put <acronym title="Air Hong Kong (China) and Linea Turistica Aerotuy (Venezuela)">LD</acronym>-3's on the main deck of a widebody freighter? They are only 64 inches high... 777-200LRF will have room for side-by-side AMJ containers, ie <acronym title="Air Madagascar">MD</acr...

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RE: Turbofan RPM

PW4462 94in Fan (MD-11) 100% N1 rotor rpm is 3600rpm redline = 111.4% 4100rpm 100% <acronym title="Aerolineas Internacionales SA de CV (Mexico)">N2</acronym> rotor rpm is 9900rpm redline = 105.5% 10450rpm Typical tip velocity at 100% rpm for commercial turbofans is 1450-1500ft/sec. Wide chord fan en...

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RE: ANA 773ER Rollout Tomorrow

The first ship will be used throughout Asia until the second ship arrives. Spotters in Asia be on the lookout in about 5 weeks she'll be at an airport near you.

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RE: Boeing Re-Writes History!

While all of these airliners, the <acronym title="Tunisair (Tunisia)">TU</acronym>-104, Comet and the like flew first or did whatever first. Their legacy died with their last produced aircraft. The question that has to be asked is are there any airliners being built today that look like a Comet? Tha...

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RE: ANA And The 7E7

7E7 will mainly be used on international routes in Asia from Japan initially. Currently their are no plans to use 7E7 for North America routes, but that could change as the marketplace dictates and actual 7E7 deliveries take place. The answer on new routes is that the aircraft are not there to do it...

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RE: 330 Versus 777 And 340

How many hull losses of 777's have there been?

0...maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

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RE: Who Will Get The 500th 777?

Actually according to the list from Boeing there are 513 airframes scheduled to be built so far. There are currently 483 airframes built, the newest one is a -200ER for JAL CN 32895 <acronym title="Lybian Arab Airlines">LN</acronym> 483. <br><center><font color="#EEEEEE" size="1" face="ARIAL, Helvet...

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RE: Flights On 2001 Sept 13? (Fahrenheit 9/11)

I have not read all the posts here but I was at Dulles (<acronym title="Washington - Dulles International (IAD / KIAD), USA - Virginia">IAD</acronym>) on and after September 11, 2001 and our ship was the first international flight to leave there after the attacks. NH001 departed the morning of Septe...

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RE: How To Make The B767-400ER More Attractive?

Just wanted to point a couple of things out... By weight and volume 767-400ER has more lower hold capacity than A330-200 767-400ER: 38 LD2 Containers X 3.5MC = 133.0MC 767-400ER: M size pallets with Typical Pax load = 5 M size pallets + 8 LD2 767-400ER: Maximum structural payload = 102,600Lbs (varie...

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RE: 330 Versus 777 And 340

Correction noted. I forgot that the rear fuselage and empenage are different for A330-200 and A340-200. The A340-200 has the lower height tail fin and rear section from A310-300 and the A330-200 has the taller tail fin and rear section from A300-600. Thus the difference in overall and cabin lengths....

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RE: 330 Versus 777 And 340

A330-200/300 and A340-200/300 all share same wing in terms of basic structure and wing area. A330/A340-200 share same fuselage, A330/A340-300 share same fuselage. A340-200/300 adds 2-wheel center bogey to undercarriage to accommodate increased takeoff weight. The A330 series with <acronym title="Tra...

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RE: Who Will Get The 500th 777?

The 500th 777 is a -300ER and will be delivered to Air France in 2005 Air registration FGSQ-G

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RE: A340 - Take Off Performance

Hey SlamClick good info Just to add something to the Power loading info here are some numbers on some in service A/C's Power to Weight ratios = Lbs Aircraft weight/Thrust in pounds:1 767-381ER MTOW 408,000LBS THRUST= 2 X 60,500 GECF6-80C2 = 3.37:1 777-228ER MTOW 656,000LBS THRUST= 2 X 93,700 <acrony...

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RE: 5 Persons In A Cessna 172 In The US

I'll have to agree with those who error on the side of safety. I've flown Cessna 172, 177RG, 182, 210, P210's and I can't really see 5 souls on board a 172. When in doubt don't do it and 99.99% of the time you can't go wrong. W/B is difficult enough with a full load a 172 as it is. Hope you don't ta...

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RE: More Talk That The A380 Is Overweight

ZSSNC The references to ZFW are in the context of determining maximum payload, ZFW-OEW. ZFW is relevant to the discussion here as far as the MAX ZFW for A380 will not change but its OEW continues to increase therefore reducing maximum payload. More simply put ZFW is payload + OEW. Most likely A380 w...

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RE: More Talk That The A380 Is Overweight

Kate, thanks and you are certainly welcome. Hey Antares you made a great point that I had been thinking about <acronym title="Singapore Airlines">SQ</acronym>'s A345 operations. Except I was thinking <acronym title="Newark - Liberty International (EWR / KEWR), USA - New Jersey">EWR</acronym>-<acrony...

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RE: More Talk That The A380 Is Overweight

I think there is a lack of understanding about what we are actually talking about here. Gigneil and Hamlet are saying that 777-300ER is at max fuel volume. That is the case if you just say that with a 361 pax load only and max fuel. But that is a situation that occurs only in a Boeing info pamphlet....

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RE: More Talk That The A380 Is Overweight

Uh, not celebrating anything here, just pointing out a trend with supporting information. And if you want to et right down to it you can say a340 is a higher MTOW version of 340 but for what it gains in range it looses in specific operating costs. That's not how airframe growth should go, and moreov...

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RE: More Talk That The A380 Is Overweight

Roberta, No, not a Boeing sales rep. My comments are pretty objective. I've been fortunate enough to be privy to a lot of real world information regarding airline operations and have done a lot of analysis. I do it for a living actually. It's fun to be here and occasionally bang heads with a few of ...

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RE: More Talk That The A380 Is Overweight

Hamlet, Not to hammer you buddy but 777-300ER is no where near being fuel volume limited. If the structure was capable you could load it up to A MTOW of 845,000Lbs (full fuel and max payload) and have a range of about 11,000 statute miles, and you'd need 137,000Lb thrust engines to maintain the curr...

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RE: More Talk That The A380 Is Overweight

The reason that <acronym title="Singapore Airlines">SQ</acronym>'s A345's have 181 two class config is to gurantee that they can make the trip without stopping, both directions, all year 'round. It's a side benefit to the people on board that it ends up being a roomier and more comfortable ride. If ...

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RE: Too Many Airlines In The United States?

Most of the new airlines are low-fare carriers which are expanding the franchise of air travel and making it available to more and more people who have not used air travel in the past, so there is a lot of room for growth. New markets are being created all the time and airlines are expanding into th...

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RE: More Talk That The A380 Is Overweight

Hamlet, The 777-300ER is not fuel limited at all. Max ZFW is 524,000Lbs so fuel with max payload is 217,600Lbs + Taxi allowance for the 759,600 version and add another 15,400Lbs of fuel for the 775,000Lb version. Either version you end up far short of the 320,800Lb useable fuel load and 777-200ER ca...

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RE: More Talk That The A380 Is Overweight

So it was the fact that A345 was going to be available sooner that sealed the deal for them? 53 pax + a full cargo load is a lot of revenue per flight to let get away. And if the 777-200LR goes as well as the -300ER program it definitely will be able to do that. Now Boeing has made higher takeoff we...

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RE: More Talk That The A380 Is Overweight

Hey all just to add my 2 cents. I just checked the seating config for <acronym title="Singapore Airlines">SQ</acronym>'s A345. I was pretty shocked to see that they have it only set up for 181 seats! Ab original factory config has 318 pax. <acronym title="Singapore Airlines">SQ</acronym> is using 7 ...

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RE: A380 Too Heavy?

Same old story with Airbus. Their most recent porker, A340-600, wing is two tonne over expectation. You can expect Airbus heavy aircraft to always come in overweight, under payload, under range, and over budget. No surprse that A380 is far over the OEW they wanted. At this point it's just a matter o...

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RE: SA A346 Falls Short Of The Mark

Airbus aircraft have the rather disturbing characteristic of missing there in-service performance expectations. Their OEW are generally greater that what's promised leading to reduced max payload and their payload range performance generally falls short of what's promised as well. On the other hand ...

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RE: ANA Order 50 Boeing 7E7

You can take this news to the bank. ANA <acronym title="Island Airlines (USA) and Eagle Air/Arnaflug (Iceland)">IS</acronym> the lauch customer for 7E7. The 7E7 WILL replace the 767. That is what we're buying it for...to replace our 767's. The A330 v A300 example is very weak. the A330-200 is a high...

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RE: ANA Order 50 Boeing 7E7

A 7E7 by any other name is a 767NG... Anyone seen the wind tunnel model on Boeing's site <img src="http://boeing.com/commercial/7e7/images/k62790.jpg"> Really looks like a scaled down 777-200LR including the razor tail and raked wing tips. Does not look too much like the flying shark they have in al...

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RE: ANA/UAL Clipped Wings In SFO?

Just FYI for you all. JA709A was ferried to <acronym title="Tokyo - New Tokyo International / Narita (NRT / RJAA), Japan">NRT</acronym> yesterday nearly one month after the incident with the UAL 777. The aircraft will undergo more scheduled servicing at <acronym title="Tokyo - Haneda International (...

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RE: ANA/UAL Clipped Wings In SFO?

Some of the major component/structural damage done to JA709A: *Bottom wing/skin stringer panel (BTW this is one piece from tip to inboard of the engine!) *Wing torsion Box, from rib 43-45 *Leading edge slat rib structure *Leading edge slide rails and ribs The specific minor components that are damag...

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RE: ANA/UAL Clipped Wings In SFO?

The damaged aircraft is JA709A...

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RE: ANA/UAL Clipped Wings In SFO?

I agree that it should not take so long... The initial report from structures indicates extensive damage, all I can say now... I am a qualified aerospace engineer, but not a structures specialist The lead time for the parts required was given to me by the head of ANA Mainteneace <acronym title="Toky...

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RE: ANA/UAL Clipped Wings In SFO?

I don't know if you've ever had to deal with a major repair on a large aircraft or not, but it does take time, every step in the process has to be meticulously completed and certified by the aviation authorities. In this case both of Japan and the US. I can tell you of an instance where the entire r...

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RE: ANA/UAL Clipped Wings In SFO?

Sorry to contradict your forthright assertions, but my company maintenance, (ANA) says the aircraft will be out of service for up to a month. The damage is extensive and is not a simple repair, it is a MAJOR repair. Unfortunately I am not allowed to give the photos out to the public, but I assure yo...

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RE: ANA/UAL Clipped Wings In SFO?

We will get a 747-400 for tomorrow's NH002/NH001 at IAD, it's confirmed

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RE: ANA/UAL Clipped Wings In SFO?

I just got the photos in from my company (ANA) it's pretty nasty damage to the wing and our ship will be out of service for up to a month

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SFO Ramp/Taxiway Collision Btw ANA N UAL

Anyone hear about an accident that happened in <acronym title="San Francisco - International (SFO / KSFO), USA - California">SFO</acronym> involving an ANA 777 and UAL aircraft colliding on the ramp/taiway? Can only find news about it in the <acronym title="Adria Airways (Slovenia)">JP</acronym> pre...

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UPS 767-300F

Interested to know if any of you savy folks have data on UPS 767-300F ops. More specifically the Trans-Pacific ops to NRT via ANC orignating from JFK. I'm looking for things like trip times, fuel, and cargo loads. Also specific A/C info such as OEW's of specific aircraft. As alwys your help is great...

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777-200ER Fuel Burn Data

Just wondering if anyone out there has any precise figures on cruise fuel burn of the three engine options for 777-200ER, GE 90-94B, Rolls-Royce Trent 895, and Pratt & Whitney PW4090. I have some data from the Roller but no figures for the other two. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jonathan

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777-200ER Operational Data

I was wondering if anyone from Continental or American Airlines could share some info on their 777 ops on the EWR-NRT and JFK-NRT routes. More specifically I'm looking for fuel loads and allowable TOW that are required for these ops. Just trying to get some info to compare against my company's simil...

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RE: GE 90-94B Vs RR Trent 895-17

I believe what Ejazz is explaining is that the three-shaft layout is optimized on high-thrust engines. The Trent 800 combines the right amount of bypass ratio, fan size, and pressure ratio, in its application on the 777 to create an engine with the lowest overall weight for the required thrust ratin...

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RE: 767 Fuselage And Cargo Hold

According to Boeing they have designed their wide-body double-lobed fuselages around the cargo containers that they would carry on the main and lower decks. The 767 was designed around a longitudinally loaded AMA container on main deck and a full-width LD-8 or 2 side-by side LD-2's. This criteria ba...

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